(Ancient Den isn't a spell.)
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|Mystery Booster (MYS1)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Ancient Den occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
Ancient Den Discussion
1 month ago
I think more important than mana (land and artifact where all the $$$ is spent), is Sylvan Tutor and Worldly Tutor will give you a higher consistency on T3/T4 infect wins. Unfortunately they aren't cheap unless they get reprints.
Harrow is an under-utilized ramp, it's benefit over something like Cultivate is that the lands come in untapped, so your net cost for that extra land is CMC1 (sac the land you just tapped of course) and you can play something else that turn!
I have been getting tired of Kemba, Kha Regent lack of performance as lately in my budget deck, often feels like a mis-utilization of equipment, unless I have the equip on-board to re-purpose for combat, and now that Balan, Wandering Knight is out of budget for my deck now, makes it even worse for me. Felt like Pride Sovereign 2.0. But then again, some games I have high success with both those cats in my budget league with the go-wide they provide, so really can't exclude either.
Has a cohesive strategy, should be out to early aggro, has a couple built in mid-range ability to win, good lifegain. I would assume it's pretty fun to play too.
1 month ago
Thanks for all the discussion, glad you liked the deck enough to tweak and innovate it, I've been trying but as you can see it's still not quite there yet.
I like Kaheera, the Orphanguard, I actually play a Nethroi, Apex of Death brawl deck with it as the companion. Questing Beast is good with Kaheera, the Orphanguard and can hit planeswalkers, but he doesn't work with Arahbo, Roar of the World even though he LOOKS like a cat to me! Also, Nissa, Who Shakes the World creates Elemental creatures, so it's also not bad, Auspicious Starrix was also been okay, but in Commander all are a bit too slow, plus Auspicious Starrix only good because my brawl commander and things like Migratory Greathorn can trigger him, so nothing too exciting there. The +1 isn't quite a bit to get to a kill with infect, so have to decide with the changes to the companion rule, if it's still worth it, I like the flavor of it though, and it's about having fun as much as the pursuit of winning when your starting with Arahbo, Roar of the World as the commander anyway!
Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest has challenges too, but I like the flavor. That is 1) They are enchantments, which we really only have a couple good ones, Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor and Sterling Grove, usually I pull Sylvan Library as soon as I can and pay the 8 life a turn to cycle through cards, but for you, you need 2/3 tutors to get there so I might just go straight for combo pieces. Sterling Grove isn't highly exciting, but it can also protect your combo pieces too. Unfortunately Concordant Crossroads can't even get it there, because the Squirrel's are tapped.
TzickyT is right, Heliod, Sun-Crowned + Walking Ballista is still mana intensive, and doesn't go off quickly enough. I usually rely on early Infect to take out the Grixis () player first to avoid early Thassa's Oracle win. If there are several Fish-Consul deck's it's kind of hopeless as I haven't built in any Fish-interaction (like Hushbringer or Tithe). If you can hit the early win-con decks, I can often ramp/resolve the Heliod, Sun-Crowned and take them out. I'm usually not the biggest threat, often needs other to go for the win and get Counterspell too.
I don't have another viable win-con in the cat, T5-7 usually just rely on Stonehewer Giant to pull me what I need to eliminate, protection from sword and Grafted Exoskeleton for example. is a challenge because have no way, but rarely see in commander.
Mox Opal is reasonable replace for Birds of Paradise, don't forget Ancient Den + Tree of Tales are artifacts, and Inkmoth Nexus can become one in a pinch too. Here's the real challenge though Hypergeometric Calc you're only 13.6% to have 3 artifacts on T1 (8 cards drawn), but really 3 aren't T1 viable (Grafted and Swords), so it's more like 8.3%. T2 only 18.2%. T3 23.2%. So have to evaluate how many games are going beyond that and how far, otherwise Mox Opal going to be a dead draw too many games. We don't really tutor artifacts either beyond equipment once we're established. Steelshaper's Gift.
Rhonas the Indomitable is good because I find I multi-trigger his ability, where Arahbo, Roar of the World, I rarely use his secondary ability. Not sure what to do there, may just have rely on other tactics. Approach of the Second Sun is way way way to slow, don't do that.
Hunter's Insight I've had success with because it's instant and draws a lot of cards, Lifecrafter's Bestiary (mana sponge and we're not creature heavy), and Momentous Fall (better but still a light cost intensive CMC4+sac). Puresteel Paladin for me still needs more AF support to, sometimes, he doesn't activate his second ability which is unacceptable.
Greenwarden of Murasa is good late game, but I might go with the pressure of a Questing Beast that hits for 5 and nails a planeswalker over that late of a play. Plus what's he pulling back, your Infect, at that point probably won't connect with combat damage anyway?
With Chord of Calling you can still do your best to resolve a Felidar Sovereign at EOT to win, but I found I didn't have enough creatures to get it off quick enough too. I know I'm just stating problems, unfortunately, still working on solving them myself (or abandoned them). Emerald Medallion is not bad because it adds to your AF count, but problem is the Infect creature is and the double-strike is except Berserk but it doesn't help with that anyway!!
Bronzehide Lion I find too mana spongy too, saving mana for the wrong reasons, but he's recursive, so I don't unlike him haha. If your going Kaheera, the Orphanguard might consider King of the Pride, but I'm meh on him as well. Need some strong cats!
I do have a Cat tribal budget (for $50 commander league) Mirri, Little Kid Aggro, depending on how budget your budget is TzickyT, as I mentioned this one is restricted budget so it has some interesting card choices to keep under budget, games have an hour time limit too, so that also drove several aggressive vs. defensive choices as well.
Knixx, I'll go through your full list tomorrow, and see if I can think of anything that might work. Since you already have Earthcraft, feel there must be a secondary interaction to abuse it as well you could leverage.
Thanks for the discussion, appreciated, I'll add Earthcraft to my Alternative Synergies Excluded so others can see it as well. The Great Henge is draw and an AF but not super helpful for Mox Opal, but with the Earthcraft I feel drawing for each Squirrel (which is a 2/2) could also draw into an enabler (untap and creatures get haste and +x/+x where x is the number of attacking creatures, something like that, there must be in , and since you draw into it every time), problem is, can't make infinite Squirrel then because you draw out, but if some way to win with like 50 Squirrels, a win is a win you know. Lemme thing on it lol.
1 month ago
Hey, nice start for a budget version.
Consider more one to four drop creatures who can be cast before Jor and who can create an artifact when they ETB? You want creatures on the battlefield before you play Jor to take advantage of attacking with the pump, but you also need three artifacts to get that pump. Creatures with double strike are good if metalcraft is active, but without it they're lackluster. Boros Keyrune is the right idea since it's an artifact first and then it can turn into a creature with double strike.
Pia/Kiran is very good budget creature to curve into Jor since it puts three creatures on the battlefield including two artifacts meaning you only need one other artifact to activate metalcraft. The other two artifact lands: Ancient Den and Great Furnace help a lot when trying to activate metalcraft. Mishra's Factory can turn into an artifact creature for one mana.
Smuggler's Copter is a powerful two drop flying Vehicle. It can be a repeatable source of draw and it's an artifact that turns into a artifact creature by crew 1 (tapping any other creature you control). Hammer of Purphoros gives Jor as well as all your other creatures haste and it can be a repeatable source of an artifact and a creature.
Goblin Welder is great with artifacts as repeatable reanimation since you can sac an artifact you control to reanimate any artifact in your graveyard. It's good with Myr Battlesphere as a way to reanimate it, sac it, have artifact fodder to keep reanimating it.
The manabase can use some budget improvements of dual lands.
- Command Tower
- Battlefield Forge
- Boros Garrison
- Opal Palace
- Temple of Triumph
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
mrb0jangles2186 I dont know if you would consider adding them, but 5 of the 6 artifact lands, would help play into the Akiri buffs :)
2 months ago
Yes it indeed does take out lands. Except, that is, for your Darksteel Citadel, Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod or Vault of Whispers, not to mention all your mana rocks. It's a ton of mana to use, but I'd totally put that in my Tron or Stax deck. Well worth being one of the 99.
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PS, I don't have a Tron deck.
More Ikoria related stuff, please.
3 months ago
Thoughts on Ancient Den to help facilitate Inventors? Helps that it's tutorable by Wayfarer.
4 months ago
Hey, your deck doesn't show an official Commander because you didn't add the CMDR tag after the Aureila text in the deck editor.
Aurelia, the Warleader *CMDR*
There's 2x Path to Exile here ;) Command Tower and Battlefield Forge are good Boros lands. Ancient Tomb is helpful when playing high CMC Angels. Ancient Den and Great Furnace are worth adding to help metalcraft of Puresteel. Mistveil Plains and Tithe have great interaction with Sunforger. Mistveil can put the instant you cast with Sunforger back into your library to cast it again and Tithe can be cast by Sunforger to tutor for Mistveil.
Consider expanding on control with more pillowfort, Blind Obedience, Ghostly Prison, Rule of Law/Eidolon of Rhetoric? More pillowfort is good with Luminarch Ascension which is one of the best Angel cards, a repeatable source of instant creatures for control. Law/Rhetoric can help slow the game down which is helpful with control and to buy time to cast Angels. Law/Rhetoric is very good with Ascension.
Arcane Signet and Talisman of Conviction are Boros mana rocks. Pearl Medallion can do a lot since the majority of cards and Angels are white. Knight of the White Orchid is nice ramp for Boros and it can search for Mistveil or Foundry.
Emeria Angel doesn't create Angels, but she does create fliers and that's good with control. Getting repeatable value without paying mana is helpful with control. Resplendent Angel, three drop Angel who's very good with Lyra Dawnbringer and another potential repeatable source of Angels that doesn't cost mana.
Good luck with your deck.
5 months ago
Wholesale Changes. CMC = 2.41 pre-changes
- Riddlesmith >> Emry, Lurker of the Loch
- Accorder's Shield >> Everflowing Chalice
- Spellbook >> Mishra's Bauble
- Welding Jar >> Altar of the Brood
- Pyrite Spellbomb >> Arcane Signet
- Grinding Station >> Golem's Heart
- Izzet Signet >> Talisman of Creativity
- Azorius Signet >> Talisman of Progress
- Boros Signet >> Talisman of Conviction
- Clock of Omens >> Mystic Forge
- Myriad Landscape >> Rogue's Passage
- Terramorphic Expanse >> Inventors' Fair
- Island >> Ancient Den
- Island >> Darksteel Citadel
- Island >> Seat of the Synod
- Mountain >> Great Furnace
- Ral Zarek >> Ugin, the Ineffable
- Dance of the Manse >> Saheeli, Sublime Artificer
- Gravitic Punch >> Tezzeret the Seeker
- Makeshift Munitions >> Brainstorm
- Sphinx's Revelation >> Swan Song
CMC = 2.46 post changes