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Creature — Elemental
When Reveillark leaves the battlefield, return up to two target creature cards with power 2 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
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23 hours ago
4 days ago
I know you think Spike Feeder combo is slow or inconsistent but trust me you want it in the deck. I play Abzan Evolution as well and it plays pretty much like a creature heavy midrange deck but with a backdoor combo. You play all your games normally and every now and again you get to go infinite and win some matches you may have been way behind in or had no business winning to begin with. The other bonus of running it is it can reset your Kitchen Finks as well.
Personally Im also more in favor of disruption in the form of creatures instead of spells since you are a toolbox deck. 1 ofs of Scavenging Ooze, Reclamation Sage, Orzhov Pontiff, or Fiend Hunter can make your Eldritch Evolutions better mainboard. In the sideboard you can run a good amount of silver bullets like Eidolon of Rhetoric, Aven Mindcensor, Sin Collector, Spellskite, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, and Fulminator Mage.
Some other cards I highly suggest would be Eternal Witness, Thragtusk, and Reveillark. With Witness in your deck you can get huge value out of your Reveillark by returning Eternal Witness, Voice of Resurgence, Fiend Hunter, Scavenging Ooze, and all of the sideboard cards I suggested.
5 days ago
1 week ago
Hey there! This looks like a great start to an Elemental deck; I have just a few suggestions:
- While expensive on the wallet, a shock/fetch manabase would make your mana much smoother. If you don't want to go that route, I recommend lands like City of Brass and Mana Confluence over Vivid lands, as coming into play tapped is a real drawback. Cascading Cataracts will definitely need testing, but my instinct is that it isn't great.
- If you want to go the "ramp into giant elementals" route, which I recommend, I'd get rid of Torrent Elemental, Reveillark, Descendants' Path, and Doomgape, and instead add more Liege of the Tangle, Nova Chaser, and Omnath, Locus of Rage. Living Inferno, Living Hive, and Walker of the Grove are also all good options.
- Since Elementals are already pretty solidly a Red tribe, Lightning Bolt would probably be better than Path to Exile, to avoid overstretching an already thin 5-color manabase.
Hope this helped! I really like this deck, and might "borrow" it for my own uses. I've been trying to brew an Elementals deck for a while, and this looks like the most promising start I've seen!
1 week ago
1 week ago
MrKrabs: Sorry about the delayed response, it has been a really busy week.
I can still win with Altar of Dementia through reshuffle effects by using Mikokoro, Center of the Sea in response to the shuffle. Though the statement was more with regards to if Blasting Station was exiled. Thgough you are right, there are many ways to dig for Blasting Station with Altar of Dementia.
On the topic of Boonweaver Giant - I know that the card is pulled from anywhere. But this is my point, all of the focus is on the fact that with either Pattern or Boonweaver and a sac outlet you win. But the hardest part of that is not getting Boonweaver, it's the sac outlet. And outside of that, boonweaver giant is a 7 mana creature that adds very little to the deck. Even Reveillark does something outside of combo. however Boonweaver is more expensive to cast than any card in the deck but only fills a niche role.
As for Pattern of Rebirth, there are a few things at play here. The first is that my preferred playsstyle is combo control. Whiule creatures aren't as big a thing, I prefer to fly under the radar until my combo turn. And I almost never run out an Altar until I'm ready to win on the spot. And Pattern flies in the face of that. Inside of combo, it's not a problem. However if I need to tutor up utility, I want to a) have mana open as long as possible to give me options and b) Not give away what I'm doing or draw attention to it until the last second.
The other issue I have with Pattern is that you need a creature out and then 4 mana to cast it. And while I'm not sure what your meta is like, mine is quite removal heavy. So for 1 mana (via a Swords to Plowshares), I can have my entire play shut down. Plus with Eladamri's Call, I can do it as early as turn 2 without any boardstate requirements.
I do like Sylvan Tutor. I'm not sure if I'd run it in this list, however I did put togehter a slightly more combo focused list here which I am running it in (full disclosure that I haven't built/play tested the other deck in real life). If you prefer instant speed choices, there's always Congregation at Dawn which is more suited towards finding combo pieces. It just depends on the context. I don't mind it in your list as you're running a lot more stax so I think you can take your time a bit more.
I'm not sure if you've had this list posted in the past - the name sounds familiar though (I've looked through a lot of Saffi decks over the years to see what other people do with theirs). I'd be happy to have a look at your deck and leave some comments - the two themes are definitely very different but it's good see something from a different perspective.
1 week ago
It's worth noting that Altar of Dementia isn't completely dead if your opponents have any shuffle cards in their libraries. If you use it to mill yourself you can (usually) still build up to the full kill:
Saffi + Sun Titan: This one is a little trickier and board-dependent. If you have the mana you can just let Saffi go to the command zone and use Sun Titan to return Blasting Station, then recast Saffi. If you need extra mana and you have the board state for it, you can bring back Phyrexian Altar first, then sac extra creatures to get the mana to recast Saffi. You then can loop Sun Titan for enough mana to send Saffi to the command zone one last time and bring back Blasting Station. This one is much more boardstate-dependent, unfortunately.
Separately, Boonweaver Giant is a little more nuanced than you give it credit for. Most of the time it's just grabbing Gift of Immortality over Pattern, sure, but the key is that it can grab it from anywhere. If both of them have been binned, Boonweaver Giant gives you another direction of resilience. Even if one of them is still in your hand, it means you only need to cast one of them, since Boonweaver Giant will find it there, too, unlike Sun Titan. Still, overall I agree with most of your points on Boonweaver Giant - I go back and forth on it fairly regularly.
I do strongly disagree with you on your points RE: Pattern, however. I think it's far better than Eladamri's Call, just because it puts the creature directly into play. I can't count the number of times I've put Pattern on Saffi, sac'ed Saffi, and tutored up something to bring her back. It also cranks Academy Rector up to 11, since Rector dying (or better yet, being sac'ed) often means you just win the game.
Finally, thoughts on Sylvan Tutor? It's slow, for sure, and it's a huge advertisement, but sometimes the extra consistency offers so much value. I go back and forth on it personally.
I'd be interested in swapping notes on our builds. I've been playing mine for 3+ years and I think I moved in a fairly different direction. It would be interesting to go over card choices and testing experiences: Saffi's Weenie Hut Jr.
2 weeks ago
EDHTest: I don't think it adds enough to the deck to warrant running it.
The biggest issue with the deck is getting a sac outlet. Because I'm in white/green, my options are quite limited. I have 5 main ones: Blasting Station, Altar of Dementia, Greater Good, Phyrexian Altar and Ashnod's Altar. Of these, Blasting Station and Altar of Dementia are win conditions - I only need a recursion loop with these and it's game and Greater Good draws me into the rest of my deck already with a recursion loop. This only leaves the two mana altars. And since I run enough raw card advantage, it makes up for these two cases.
On the side of recursion loops, my commander already forms half of the loop, so really I only need one of 4 other creatures to combo (Sun Titan, Karmic Guide, Reveillark and Renegade Rallier). On top of that, there is a bunch of redundancy between these and other cards as well. And I already run a bunch of creature tutors to help me find any of the other "other half of the loop" creatures.
So while Boonweaver package is nice, ultimately Boonweaver Giant himself is too expensive as I'm trying to deploy the combo cheaply (seven mana is a lot for one card) and while Pattern of Rebirth is cheaper to play, I have only one card in the deck which can tutor for it (Enlightened Tutor) and chances are I'm going ot be using this card to find a sac outlet rather than pattern (which still needs a sac outlet anyway). So I have to draw into it.
Couple all this with the fact that outside of combo, Boonweaver Giant doesn't really do anything and while Pattern of Rebirth is an ok creature tutor, a) you have to sac the creature it's attached to and b) you can remove the creature in response to it being enchanted. So while you're ahead it's find but trying to come from behind, it's just not as powerful as something like Eladamri's Call.
I get that's the boonweaver package is very nice and could work here, but overall I think it actual detracts from the deck in this instance. If this was a Karador, Ghost Chieftain deck I would probably be running it as I would have access to things like Viscera Seer and Demonic Tutor.