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Steelshaper's Gift Discussion
2 weeks ago
hi, just watched the Legendary Creature Podcast and as someone that loves mono white AND Eight-and-a-Half Tails, i'd like to put some input in the deck.
first of all, i would cut ALL of the unsynergistic "lose-less" cards like: Dawn Elemental , Blinding Angel , Guardian of the Gateless , Palisade Giant , Platinum Angel , Selfless Squire , Ghostly Prison , Pariah , and Gideon of the Trials . none of these cards advance your game state, or put you closer to a win. If anything these cards only help you durdle around, hoping you can squeeze out a cheeky win. you already run the 3 circle of protection cards that will more or less synergistically do most of that already, and you can also add Idyllic Tutor as redundancy. i would probably replace the lose-less cards for more hatebears, like Aven Mindcensor , Angel of Jubilation , and Containment Priest . you're also running only 2 creatures with an etb effects, so cards like Torpor Orb and Hushwing Gryff can be very back breaking against other more creature based decks.
snow-covered plains are cheap right now. so possibly investing in Extraplanar Lens (which unfortunately isn't cheap) might be something worth while for the deck.
i noticed you ran Steelshaper's Gift in the video, but it's not in your current list. need an update? if you don't already have it, Open the Armory is also a good way to look for those voltron pieces.
you only have 6 cards in your entire deck that can shuffle your making Sensei's Divining Top mostly a waste of time, at that point Crystal Ball would do you better as you can scry away "bad" cards at the top of your library, unlike SDT. if you add the 5 fetchlands, and more tutors then you can reconsider it.
adding Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the deck can make temple of the false god and maze of ith tap for mana, BUT it also allows you to run some extra spicy cards like Karma and Royal Decree which, with any of the circle of protection cards, for 1 mana you can make it 1 sided.
Illumination a solid counterspell that people won't see coming, and you can stop gross cards like omniscience, and mind over matter.
Renounce the Guilds is also a great way to kill everyone's non-mono color deck commanders.
Cavalier of Dawn is also a strong include.
end notes: try to keep your deck as low to the ground as possible, with a very low mana curve, you want to play cards but also keep as much mana open to do any of your 8.5 shinanigans. if you spend 6+ mana on a spell on your man phase, it really limits what you can and cant do on other people's turns, which you want to mainly be doing with a commander like 8.5 that screams CONTROL.
3 weeks ago
i'm noticing some problems that you have with too little recursion and too little in the ways of protecting her from targeted removal. cards like Faith's Reward , Second Sunrise , Resurrection and False Defeat are really good to make sure your creatures come back when you get blown up after you summon your god emperor angel. you also are mono white so the problem with that is your card draw is very limited to really get going. take a look at cards like Mind's Eye , Scroll Rack + Land Tax . it's a great way to draw 3 a turn for one mana. Staff of Nin is a good passive draw for you every turn and you should absolutely look at putting The Immortal Sun in your deck. card is nuts and fucks on planeswalkers at the same time which only really affects one card in your deck. other cards that will help with your voltron strategy are various cards like Steelshaper's Gift , Open the Vaults , Stonehewer Giant and Stoneforge Mystic . various equipments that are really good for what you wanna do are things like Champion's Helm , Darksteel Plate , Whispersilk Cloak , any of the sword of cards (just gonna put a link to all the sword of cards of your choice all but body and mind are sweet https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+%5Bsword%5D+%5Bof%5D+%5Band%5D), Batterskull , Sword of Vengeance Hammer of Nazahn . certain creatures that are just good stuff that you should think about are Selfless Squire , Thalia, Heretic Cathar , Karmic Guide , Reveillark , Linvala, Keeper of Silence also look at putting in Nahiri, the Lithomancer for a good planeswalker for equipment
cards i'm seeing that are just meh: Aegis Angel , Resolute Archangel , Banisher Priest , Fiend Hunter , Herald of the Host (doesn't really do anything to make your commander the one shot machine you want), Deathless Angel , Oracle's Vault (becomes to easily blown up right after you put all the work into making it work), Emancipation Angel , Divine Visitation (i get why you have it there for the 1/1 spirits you make, but it's not worth it), Requiem Angel .
other then that you just trim the fat of cards that don't help make brisela your one shot machine you're looking for. hope this helped!
1 month ago
i think Open the Armory , Steelshaper's Gift , Magnetic Theft could help. being able to abuse sunforger and helps. could also add a Darksteel Mutation so open the armory could get you some removal for problematic commanders.
I was not a fan of Balduvian Rage since you have to attack.
1 month ago
Mj3913 the cmc of Phalanx Leader and Zada are low enough that they don't slow us down..and what they do just with our commander and nothing else is pretty good... neither will take much removal and they really add some strong value...ive cut zada and added it back in...
Guttersnipe was interesting, it was in the original brew but it was drawing too much attention to us, we started becoming the enemy of the table even after it was gone..sorta a look at how much feather is doing spotlight...so i cut it.
1 month ago
Nice seeing the less common tribes being given attention. Looks like you have done a good job finding the staples that fit well with Kemba.
I have a few suggestions despite this:
- Stoneforge Masterwork : seems pretty cool, good synergy with with Kemba + better with more equipments and cats.
- Balan, Wandering Knight : has some anti-synergy with Kemba granted, but also has high surprise factor if you can haste it the same turn you play it.
- Steelshaper's Gift is the best non-creature equipment tutor in the game.
- Hammer of Nazahn is expensive but amazing.
- Leonin Arbiter is quite strong in multiplayer.
- Konda's Banner must be the perfect equipment for this list!
1 month ago
2 months ago
2 months ago
Let me go through your points.
- xD What? cEDH doesn't make you win by turn 3? Most lists can't do that, midrange combo like Kess Turns and Yisan lists aim for turns 4-5ish and use a mix of removal and hate to stop faster opponents. Control/Stax decks from Control Zur, Blood Pod, or Derevi win much later, after locking out faster combo opponents with permission, removal, stax, and hate.
It is true you need to be affecting the board state in a heavy way by turn three, but you definitely do not need to win by then.
- Wrong, Boros does have efficient infinite combos that do not need to spend a long amount of time to physically go through each trigger, such as the popular cEDH Aurelia, the Warleader + Helm of the Host list, using a stax-core for the list, as well as an abundance of tutors, such as Steelshaper's Gift or Stoneforge Mystic to set up the combo.
Another popular competitive viable Boros combo was using Imperial Recruiter with Recruiter of the Guard , to fetch Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , to copy the Recruiter of choice to fetch Combat Celebrant or Village Bell-Ringer to go infinite with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker .
Point is, Boros always had good win conditions that went infinite and were effectively 1-card combos too, (Just need Helm + Commander or Recruiter+what it tutors for in deck) for what it is worth.
- Aurelia, being a strong combo-enabler also happens to remove the argument that prior to Feather, WotC only made bad commanders that only revolve around creature-beatdown strategies or dumb tribal shenanigans.
Gisela was often used in conjunction with effects like Manabarbs for a stax-lockdown deck, Firesong and Sunspeaker is a burn-lifegain deck, very spell-focused, Brion Stoutarm was a list based around sacrifice and recursion, with lifegain synergies to boot, etc.
After this you say that "BOROS HAS YET TO DO THAT", referring to non-combat commander support, again I look to Gisela, Firesong/Sunspeaker, and Brion.
Then you bring up that tier 1 lists always go off turn 3 and you can't be competitive without that, again, BS, Yisan, Teferi, and Sisay and tier 1 decks, of which two are stax-combo hybrids that often go the stax-y control route and Yisan is midrange-y, etc.
Then you go into the 5 things you want to do to get this deck where you want. I don't see why as Aurelia is a tier 3 cEDH list anyway, but who cares.
All commander decks need to be 100 cards exactly anyway to be a commander deck, this is not specific to cEDH.
No, many people build budgeted cEDH decks, but just like any competitive event for standard, modern, legacy, vintage, and pauper, playing a budgeted variant will lose you games. Also, many players to do accept the use of proxies, and in competitive EDH tournaments or side events and Grand Prix's, or now Magic Fests, you can be disqualified for using proxies.
That is not a rule of cEDH, while it isn't a bad suggestion, it is not necessary for the vast majority of faster combo decks, that only need to protect their combo, or for stax decks with hate that can stop threats before they are cast, or stop them from being cast, well before having a removal or counterspell up is necessary.
I would suggest the old Helm of Obedience / Rest in Peace combo for the deck or a Kiki-Jiki package to play with. Running Rest in Peace as graveyard hate is often useful enough to warrant inclusion in any cEDH white list not aiming on using the graveyard for itself, and this list shouldn't so recursion based.
Wrong, not that Boros has great effects, it does, but the arrogance in saying that nobody knows them is astounding to me xD.
After this you make it sound like there is a mob of cEDH players who say Boros is "forbidden". I have only heard that word said in cEDH as a reference to Forbidden Orchard xD.
Then you complain about infinite creature combos stopping you from having fun, and claim Azathoth from the Lovecraftian pantheon is the most powerful media character (must never have heard of SCP-3812), and ramble on about inane things.
Then you actually go crazy. Not about Boros, not about anything else mtg related, you literally claim you are "The only person willing to help on Earth." No joke, read it. Lunatic.
Starts quoting some BS after that, and immediately goes into talking about cuts for the list. Actually, this concerns me for BMHKain's mental health. This is some deeply disturbing stuff.
Then goes into quoting something about Tokyo, and apologizes for having some of the really weird stuff throughout.
Okay, wtf was that. You start by going on some factually incorrect assumptions about cEDH, then all Boros commanders, then all Boros combos, then on basic EDH rules like having 100 cards... then you go off the deep end, and ask about cutting cards.
Steelshaper's Gift occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%