As an additional cost to play Hatred, pay X life.
Target creature gets +X/+0 until end of turn.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Hatred occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
2 weeks ago
MrKillStar thank for your feedback. Some of those cards I actually considered but other's didn't even cross my mind, let's break it down.
Massacre Wurm is actually one that I tottally forgot about, it does fit well in the deck, gotta figure out what to cut tho, it was hard enough already had to cut around 20 cards before posting the changes to the deck...
Liliana of the Dark Realms has been in the deck before, several times, I do like her but when it comes to practical terms it does give me 1 or 2 swamps but my table never allows me to ult her, the few times I was able to ult her I won the game soon after and they know they can't let that happen, so I decided to remove her considering most times I play her to die next turn.
Lake of the Dead is nice, and I considered it before, but for the price it costs I'd rather not add it, I don't have the money for it.
Grim Return has been in the deck since it's first version, this is the only version of the deck where I actually cut it out, because I realized altho the card is good most of the times it would just be in my hand doing nothing because I'd want to save it for better creatures, although now with the new rules where the commander does hit the grave before being moved to the command zone, it would allow me to steal the commanders, hmmm might reconsider it. But again, idk what to cut in order to add that one, for 2 more mana Thrilling Encore does a better job.
Bloodcurdling Scream/Howl from Beyond, I only knew the latter of those but I prefer Hatred for that purpose. Actually I chose this name for the deck exactly because of Hatred as it was the main win-con when I first did it.
Tainted Strike would be a great addition if our playgroup played with the 10 infect death, but we changed it to 20 infect in our playgroup to be more "fair". Long story short some years ago a dude won with infect, like big time and people got triggered that it wasn't fair, yada yada, so the majority voted on changing the infect rule between us to 20 instead of 10, way to kill infect decks... So it's not worth in this context as it is basicly the same as cmdr dmg. However if I ever change playgroup sure I'll add Tainted Strike, I have a copy somewhere here.
The big X spells I'd rather just have a few of them, the ones currently in the deck, although you did suggest some interesting stuff, but I don't want many of those. As for Death Wind I had it in the deck before but I decided to replace it with Defile, most of the times it will have the same potential effect because the deck is mono-black plus I have Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth but I will be spending only 1 mana instead. Black Sun's Zenith is already in it btw.
I do like the versitality of Damnable Pact, it can be used to finish off an opponent or simply for you to draw, and I have considered adding it a few times but I don't see anything worth trading for it.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your input, I'll take a better look at your suggestions and see if there's something I can trade for any of those.
1 month ago
The first thing that comes to mind for me is Hatred. This can easily take out a player, and plays even better if you have a lifelink creature.
Jet Medallion seems like a great card to have in your deck, since you will probably play several spells a turn.
Black Market seems like it would generate a lot of value for you.
Wound Reflection also seems perfect for finishing off opponents.
In terms of aggressive, powerful creatures, I think you are missing a few key cards that would really make this deck scary.
Phyrexian Obliterator redefines what a good aggressive black card is.
Skirsdag High Priest is very easy to activate in Commander.
Loyal Subordinate represents heaps of damage with your commander out.
Rotting Regisaur is very much worth the discard for his body.
Woe Strider should make its way to the maindeck.
Abyssal Persecutor is excellent and even has great applications for multiplayer.
Demon of Catastrophes can eat up a useless creature in exchange for a 6/6 flying trample.
Doom Whisperer is great value.
Archfiend of Despair is the perfect late game finisher for you.
In terms of cuts, I don't think a lot of your very small creatures will get very far in a game of commander. I would cut the weaker ones like Carrier Thrall, Sanitarium Skeleton, Lazotep Reaver, Priest of the Forgotten Gods, Reassembling Skeleton and Tattered Mummy.
Tyrant's Choice seems like it won't often do what you want it to. I am sure you can find better removal than Defile. Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper also seem a bit underpowered for Commander.
1 month ago
Daedalus19876 thanks for the comments!
Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose - Yes! Probably the card I’m most excited about to come from Core 2021, definitely will slot him in.
Hatred - Can pull off a few unexpected wins with Hatred in hand. My deck currently has managed to be completely modern bordered, I think aesthetically, if it got reprinted, I’d reconsider slotting it in hehe
Barter in Blood - I used to run this actually when I first started with a mono black vampire deck. It is great thematically, it’s just unfortunately probably too weak in comparison to a similarly costed board wipe. Depending on my playgroup, I may slot it back in.
I think that as my curve starts to lower, I could consider cutting a land like you mentioned, but I feel like I’d need more changes to have more ramp and draw at the lower end to compensate. I’d have to do more play testing to know whether it’s still consistent enough. I’ve generally brewed with 37-38 lands, so that’s what I’m used to and comfortable with in general lol
1 month ago
The new Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose seems like he'd fit amazingly here. Hatred is an awesome card with Elenda, since you gain the life back immediately from the lifelink :) Barter in Blood seems very thematic, while also working well! Finally, I'd think you could survive with one less land. You aren't running much recursion/reanimation, though that might be from the lack of vampire themed reanimation...
This was my Elenda deck once upon a time, btw, if it helps at all!
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1 month ago
I feel like Hatred is a great card for this deck. I often use the card as player removal. Given how often you have flying and the propensity of lifelink, its very doable. Putting it on a creature with both like Vampire Nighthawk is just wonderful. You had some amazing suggestions for my deck. I figured I would give my input as well. Thank you.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Really cool list! Plying Greven is so much fun, if you one shot an opponent out of nothing with Hatred and stuff. Sadly he isn't a top tier cEDH commander, but he has so much flavour. But if you really want to play him on a cEDH table you need a bit more interaction:
- Pyroblast/Red Elemental Blast/Burnout/Trickbind instead of Not of This World
- Deadly Rollick/Deflecting Swat instead of Filth
- Toxic Deluge/Anger of the Gods
- Despark/Grasp of Fate instead of Go for the Throat
- Claim the Firstborn/Mark of Mutiny instead of Vengeful Firebrand
- Lupine Prototype instead of Inferno Hellion
2 months ago
Ominously enough, the word Compassion isn't even part of the name of any existing card. One could truthfully say that there is no compassion in MtG. :'(