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Creature — Cat Cleric
When Leonin Relic-Warder enters the battlefield, you may exile target artifact or enchantment.
When Leonin Relic-Warder leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control.
Leonin Relic-Warder Discussion
3 days ago
Hey! Saw your deck posted before FLATSO99's and thought I'd comment since I also play Ghave.
First off I assume your goal with this deck is to play "fair" with a go-wide tokens and counters strategy with some options to win with a combo, but I'd like to offer my primer for you to take a look at and borrow anything you like. I go into detail the different combos you can get from Ghave and how they work as well as a list of combos found in my list.
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That being said, I have a few suggestions for how you can strengthen the deck even if you're not looking to combo off as soon as you can.
Your mana curve is a bit high, and I think you can cut some of the more mana-heavy cards to trim the deck and let it play more smoothly. For instance I see Butcher of Malakir but no Dictate of Erebos or Grave Pact . I understand if it's a budget problem, but I personally run Grave Pact thanks to it's lower cmc. Yes, Martyr's Bond does the same thing and even extends to permanents other than creatures, but I find it's not worth the mana cost. You could probably cut that one, too.
I know you mentioned Walking Ballista , and I eventually cut Triskelion in my own deck for it. It only needs an extra card (either a sac outlet or Blood Artist effect) to combo with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed which will still often be cheaper on the mana to cast than just Triskelion .
Unless you're building the deck around it, I'd cut anything with Landfall. It's almost never worth it if you're not making it a big theme in your deck.
I'm not a fan of Faerie Macabre . There are better cards for graveyard hate. Bojuka Bog comes to mind which you should run if you really need the grave hate. If you're insistent on having a spell fill that slot, Shred Memory is better as it also acts as a tutor for a 2 cmc card.
Pack Rat is unnecessary. I'd focus on the saproling tokens. You'll have better synergy in the deck that way.
I also don't think you're running enough elves to get the most out of Elvish Archdruid . I'd cut that in favor of other ramp. The ramp you have in the deck already is pretty good without him.
I notice you have Kitchen Finks which is an excellent combo piece, but have you considered running any undying creatures (besides the effect of Mikaeus, the Unhallowed )? I highly recommend Young Wolf as he's an easy route to getting as many tokens as you want. Strangleroot Geist or Butcher Ghoul can also be good. You could run more persist creatures if you like as well. I've liked having Puppeteer Clique and Woodfall Primus in my deck since if you can recur them over and over, you get some awesome effects. If you want cheap ones to play, Safehold Elite is a possibility, and Modern Masters now has Putrid Goblin which is basically Butcher Ghoul but with persist instead of undying.
Protean Hulk has been the center of most of my wins. Pattern of Rebirth is a quick way to cheat him out, but you should consider Natural Order as well since it gets the hulk out just as quickly. I see Karmic Guide , but I don't see Reveillark or Saffi Eriksdotter . I would highly recommend running at least one if not both of them. They create an endless recursion combo that lets you get everything back from your graveyard or trigger a Blood Artist effect to kill the table. Now I assume you use Leonin Relic-Warder with Karmic to go infinite. That's good, but I still say having the recursion availability to access your graveyard is a big advantage.
Anyway sorry for the super long comment. I just really like Ghave and wanted to leave some constructive criticism to help you with your deck. I generally prefer that kind of feedback myself. Hopefully this helps.
1 week ago
I've been doing some looking and figured I would make more use of the chromatic lantern. I thought that Kaalia of the Vast with an angle and demon added with her in the sideboard might add some fun... idk... just kind of having fun now.
1 month ago
Leonin Relic-Warder can serve as one piece, thereby triggering all your creature etb triggers along the way. (Which totally works with Journey to Nowhere and an Oblivion Ring but I'd switch the journey to oblivion for the versatility.
1 month ago
I was getting pretty upset last week, when I saw God-Eternal Kefnet and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries then I saw the Leonin Relic-Warder + Animate Dead , I abuse him with Oblivion Ring in other decks, Brago, the Banisher $50 EDH with Reveillark and Alesha, Boros' Crusade $50 EDH with Fiend Hunter , but this one BLEW my mind, it's so simple, good on it's own, and doesn't need any off-synergy cards!
Sounds like your having great success with this type of build! When T2-T4 good ol' Buried Alive is the back-up plan, in pretty good shape. He's the Master of Cruelties should never show mercy! If they winning on T7 that's pretty good too, no fun in dragging the game out past T5!
Agreed Hatred is just too much of a life commitment, even when casting it on a Lifelink creature, the initial burden of life is too much, Leonin Relic-Warder is far more value as an alternative win-con! I always find it strange that people fear Kaalia of the Vast , sit down at table with Kess, Dissident Mage , Prossh, Skyraider of Kher , and Derevi, Empyrial Tactician , it's wrong evaluation that Kaalia of the Vast is the highest threat, even if I resolve a Avacyn, Angel of Hope early.
Sneak Attack doesn't get me a Buried Alive so it's not as useful, in many cases (without a Razaketh, the Foulblooded or Rune-Scarred Demon ) for example. Sneak Attack needs other synergistic cards to be truly effective (unless you have a Razaketh, the Foulblooded )
1 month ago
Until I found your Leonin Relic-Warder combo, there really wasn't much in the way of power <=2 creatures to Tutor with Imperial Recruiter where in my Mizzix, the Storm EDH deck he's critical, nor was there anyone with Toughness <=2 with Recruiter of the Guard . I've added them to my maybeboard now for consideration. A Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker in my hand is a terrible, terrible place, I had to add Faithless Looting just to have a tutor-able solution to that possibility, but also evaluating, Tortured Existence and Chains of Mephistopheles .
Sneak Attack is the same CMC4 as Kaalia of the Vast , and along similar lines, only it uses instead of Haste to activate the ability. Early on I did quite a bit with Sneak Attack but if Kaalia of the Vast wasn't working (no A/D/D in hand for example) Sneak Attack wasn't either and didn't need the redundancy.
1 month ago
I played a total of four games this weekend. I wanted to try using Leonin Relic-Warder , So I intentionally played Two games trying to win with it. well, Both games...I was able to win on T4 using Leonin Relic-Warder . Which at first I thought was going to take awhile to pull off, having to tutor for everything but I found it to be quite simple.
Another game, which was a pod of 5, I won on T6 using the good ol' Buried Alive | Karmic Guide + Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Restoration Angel . I could have actually won on T5 but I misplayed. So what I did was, having 3 Mana left open, I Grim Tutor on T5, grabbing Reanimate , setting me up for the win on T6, when I should have played Mausoleum Secrets (which I also had in hand) to tutor for Reanimate and with the remaining I could have played Reanimate that same turn. Which goes to show, I still need a lot more play time, So these simple mistakes don't happen.
The last game was 1V1. I could have won on T5 with Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties but I didn't end up playing it because, well, I felt a little bad. And I ended up losing on T7 that game But realistically, we could just say I won if I hadn't shown mercy.
Sir_Flash Lifegaining is working but its hard to maintain to utilize Hatred . The reason being is i'm almost instantly the target. It's hard holding onto life when i'm up against 3 or even 4 other players and they're all pinging/attacking me each turn. The lifegain is there but it never maintains along with my tutoring, just makes it harder for the use of Hatred . But I have yet to die by life total becoming 0. I'm either knocked out by infect or by someone else going infinite before I do.
And the thing with Gamble , every time I play it, I cross my fingers and I clench my jaw and think to myself "I can win if it plays in my favor" but then it's like it can set me back a bit if it doesn't. I may have played this deck a total of 25 times so far and used Gamble about 8 of those times and it's played in my favor each time except for once (during a tournament of all games, go figure)
Although Sneak Attack is great. I don't see it fitting the tempo of this build. I could be wrong, Spirits would have a better assessment about this than I would but so far from playing, the deck would have to alter a bit to accommodate Sneak Attack which would take on a slightly different build. I have yet to win a game with creatures attacking, the only thing I could see it working with is throwing out Rune-Scarred Demon or Doom Whisperer for some quick tutoring and possibly even Demonlord Belzenlok or Razaketh, the Foulblooded . But with a to cast and an additional to play, it gets me thinking of just throwing in Diabolic Tutor as an additional tutor source. But I could certainly be wrong and i'd be more than happy to receive some clarification as i'm still fairly new and getting a hang of this.
1 month ago
A couple of ways to assemble a quick kill with versions of Schroedinger's Leonin combos.
Classic Leonin Relic-Warder lines are available.
We can also cast Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead , or Necromancy on Felidar Guardian . When Guardian enters, it will flicker Aminatou. Then, use Aminatou's -1 ability to flicker the Animate Dead under the Felidar Guardian. Animate Dead's LTB trigger will have Felidar Guardian die, and either Zulaport Cutthroat or Blood Artist will trigger. Animate Dead will re-enter, and you'll enchant the Felidar Guardian in your graveyard, returning it to field, and flickering Aminatou once more. You can repeat this loop infinitely to kill the table.
1 month ago
Lifegain is very important, it's like mana for this deck. I don't have enough life when needed for Hatred and even if I have an attacking Lifelink creature, sometimes don't have enough. Plus it's CMC5 isn't great.
If I had Mox Diamond I would play it.
I swapped Reveillark back in, and moved out Angel of Serenity to try Leonin Relic-Warder . See how that goes, I'm below proper % of A/D/D now as well. Probably will take Reveillark out and put Angel of Serenity back in. 22 A/D/D was marginal, but I'm hoping the addition of Faithless Looting counteracts the 1 less A/D/D.
Leonin Relic-Warder occurrence in decks from the last year
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