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Skyhunter Cub seems like there are better targets for the equipment, could be a Felidar Sovereign, spikes your mana curve a bit, but not unreasonably.

Stoneforge Masterwork could be a Felidar Sovereign, if it's big your just asking for a boardwipe, if the board has been cleared, it's probably less utility than your ramping/lifelink equipment anyway. It's going to encourage you to over commit board presence, when you only have 1 eminence trigger anyway, better to be ready for rebuilding.

Sungrass Prairie could be a Felidar Sovereign, it's not a turn 1 land, and makes turn 2 problematic. 36 is actually what I play in normal commander, but have found that it's too much with all the ramp spell/draw/equipment in Arahbo, Roar of the World

Sylvan Reclamation could be a Felidar Sovereign, you have lots of Enchantment/Artifact removal, it does land cycle on turn 2 for sure, but it doesn't put the land in play, so not that utility. Normal cycling would be better.

Couple ideas for cut-list anyway. My deck is still a continual work in process unfortunately.

October 16, 2017 8:49 p.m.

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Hi Dancing-Blade, using your deck to help build my own version of Arahbo, Roar of the World, Arahbo, Xenagos... for Cats

Noticed you have Lifelink, like Basilisk Collar/Loxodon Warhammer/Ajani, Mentor of Heroes/Etc. Why no Felidar Sovereign do you find you dont get over that 40 life barrier? Just interested, I was thinking of running him as an alternate-win con.

Does Godsend do enough work for it's High CMC? I originally thought about it, but it doesn't stop Commanders because they never get exiled by it, and Commander as it is, unless you run up against a heavy unburial deck does it do much else?

How have you found Hungry Lynx, I keep looking at him and thinking nope, when rats die awesome, but what if I load up my opponents with deathtouch rates, they remove the Hungry Lynx now I'm walking my cats into 1/1 deathtouch that I provided them, that sucks.

Oreskos Explorer being green and ramping, you usually have more lands than opponents? Is it worth the risk of not drawing him turn 1-4 where he might be viable?

Suprised to see Sylvan Reclamation, with so much artifact/enchantment control, Aura Shards, Qasali Slingers, Return to Dust etc, this one is HIGH CMC, but I'm guessing you just Cycle it and move on for the CMC2, and if you need it, then you have it?

I noticed ZendikariWol posted about Howling Mine and Alms Collector and Rites of Flourishing, I haven't posted on the community, but my gut tells me that doesn't work. Drawing an "additional" card, is not the same as "would draw two or more". I stand to be corrected but, Alms Collector with check on the turn draw, only 1 ok nothing, check on resolving the Howling Mine triggered ability, only 1 ok nothing, same for Rites of Flourishing. A Wheel of Fortune or Blue Sun's Zenith for sure there he makes his mark, but I think ZendikariWol assessment is incorrect.

I've had success with Rhonas the Indomitable, he is 5/5 Indestructible/Deathtouch for CMC3 and can always attack with ANY cat on the board. Although, he is not a Cat, he can give a Cat trample if it's blocked.

No Sylvan Library?

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October 16, 2017 6:27 p.m.

I think what the Arahbo, Roar of the World ruling 8/25/2017 While resolving Arahbos last ability, you cant pay 1GreenWhite multiple times to multiply the effect for one Cat, is trying to say is, you can ONLY pay the 1GreenWhite PER triggered ability, can't just dump all your mana into it. Thinking that way, it totally makes sense that the copy works, and basically makes the cat 4x bigger. In this case 4/4 to 16/16.

October 6, 2017 6:07 p.m.

Thanks Blo,

Seems you agree with my thinking which is great.

The second comment where you say, While resolving "this permanent's" last ability, you can't pay 1GreenWhite multiple times... confuses me a bit trying to wrap my head around it.

You then say Strionic Resonator 'creates' another 'source', but the Gatherer ruling under Strionic Resonator specifically says: 7/1/2013 The source of the copy is the same as the source of the original ability. Meaning the Arahbo, Roar of the World permanent.

If "the source" of the copy is "the same" (source?) as "the source" of the original ability. Wouldn't I surmise that both the copy and original being "the same source", that they are both the same Permanent. The permanent hasn't changed zones or anything.

Which worries me, because it says under Arahbo, Roar of the World While resolving Arahbos (the source of both copy and original) last ability, you cant pay 1GreenWhite multiple times to multiply the effect for one Cat.

Specifically tries to restrict me that I CAN'T pay multiple times for one Cat.

If it was different sources I get it, each one can't pay multiple times, but if the source of the copy is the "same" as the source of the original, the specific way that Arahbo, Roar of the World ruling is worded, doesn't stop the original? So confusing. Feel like if there were no rulings would be simpler.

October 6, 2017 6:02 p.m.

Thanks MegaMatt13. Will digest and figure out what to cut to get them in.

Berserk has been in and out, I thought the same about the removal aspect of it too which is cool, especially if it's attacking an opponent in a Multi-Player pod. Have to find room.

Pride of Lions I keep going back and forth on, the idea is to tutor trample, Green Sun's Zenith into Rhonas the Indomitable or Steelshaper's Gift into Loxodon Warhammer, or Arahbo, Roar of the World last ability... so Trample overcomes all but the toughness of the blocker anyway, where Pride of Lions does that extra damage, but then gets killed probably without actually killing his blocker either (Because if the blocker can't kill him why did they block him in the first place, and he does no damage to the blocker). He's good, should find something to out for him.

Metallic Mimic is really borderline, I think about his interaction with Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Kemba, Kha Regent, Pride Sovereign + Regal Caracal (Especially for my Felidar Sovereign win-con), Ajani, Caller of the Pride. I originally had more, like White Sun's Zenith and some others, but there are less. Metallic Mimic on his own isn't that exciting 2/1 for . He's definitely high on the cut list.

Puresteel Paladin + Leonin Shikari makes Eminence and Lightning Greaves a viable option together, but its janky. I cut Sword of Light and Shadow and Sword of Feast and Famine already because of the same issues. It's really the haste more than the protection I want anyway since Selsnya is quite limited for haste.

Both suggestions Heirloom Blade and Fireshrieker are great, I'm struggling a bit with which cards to cut, and worried about getting too few cats.

Thanks for the feedback, MUCH appreciated.

October 6, 2017 2:19 a.m.

Building a Arahbo, Roar of the World deck, evaluating Strionic Resonator and how it interacts with him.

Eminence seems pretty straight forward, pay 2 tap the Strionic Resonator target cat gets +3/+3 and another cat gets +3/+3, if you choose the same cat, it gets +6/+6.

My question is about the last triggered ability.

Arahbo, Roar of the World rulings on Gatherer say:

If multiple Cats attack, Arahbos last ability triggers that many times. You may pay 1GreenWhite each time one resolves.

While resolving Arahbos last ability, you cant pay 1GreenWhite multiple times to multiply the effect for one Cat.

Strionic Resonator rulings on Gatherer say:

7/1/2013 The source of the copy is the same as the source of the original ability.

7/1/2013 Any choices made when the triggered ability resolves wont have been made yet when its copied. Any such choices will be made separately when the copy resolves. If the triggered ability asks you to pay a cost (for example, as the extort ability from the Return to Ravnica block does), you pay that cost for the copy.

So this is where we think we've gotten to:

1) At the beginning of combat, Arahbo, Roar of the World Eminence triggers and gives +3/+3 to target Sacred Cat upon resolving.

2) Eminence Sacred Cat attacks triggering Arahbo, Roar of the World last ability onto the stack for the Eminence Sacred Cat (doesn't target)

3) Copy the triggered ability with the Strionic Resonator pay 2 and tap (the one that the Eminence Sacred Cat triggered)

4) Pay 1GreenWhite for the "Copy" and allow it to make the Eminence Sacred Cat go from 4/4 Lifelink to 8/8 Trample Lifelink. I assume I have to pay the "costs" for the copy, reading the Strionic Resonator rules?

5) Pay 1GreenWhite for the "Original" and allow it to make the Eminence Sacred Cat go from 8/8 Trample Lifelink to 16/16 Trample Lifelink. I think even though the rulings for Arahbo, Roar of the World says "you cant pay 1GreenWhite multiple times to multiply the effect for one Cat", I think it's trying to clarify that it only triggers one time, per cat, but since this is a copy of the "Original" I CAN target the same cat and gets around that ruling?

6) Resolve the combat for the 16/16 Trample Lifelink Sacred Cat as normal.

October 6, 2017 1:49 a.m.

Thanks for the advice. Ground Seal is great against graveyard, when it ETB it draws you a card so replaces itself in hand and only .

Mostly I decided on Rhonas the Indomitable because it only requires a creature with power 4 or greater (no devotion which causes me to overcommit). I only instant speed trample when blocked, or to kill a blocker. A 5/5 indestructible deathtouch attacking each turn with an eminence cat is good. I mainly play equipment (for now anyway), so devotion for nylea isn't always there. And he's CMC3 and a green creature for Green Sun's Zenith

So Strionic Resonator you still have to pay the 3 mana for the copy plus the 2 mana for the Strionic Resonator and the source of the ability for the copy is still Arahbo, Roar of the World but the target can be the same because the only reason that you can't normally trigger twice on the same cat is because it only triggers once for each attacking cat, but since strionic copies that ability you can target a single cat? Think that's what your saying?

Thanks

October 6, 2017 1:08 a.m.

Hey MegaMatt13, Nice Arahbo, Roar of the World deck, I'm trying to build one and found your deck here very helpful. My deck Arahbo, Xenagos... for Cats could use help if you have the time!

Trying to figure out the Strionic Resonator, clearly it can copy an Emminence ability, an additional +3/+3 to another target cat, even giving him +6/+6 for . Hi second ability +X/+X says Whenever, so clearly that can be copied, but from my evaluation, I still need to pay the to have the copied ability do anything? So assuming I pay the + (CMC 5), the rulings text says 8/25/2017 While resolving Arahbos last ability, you cant pay multiple times to multiply the effect for one Cat. Does the Strionic Resonator somehow get around that because it says you "may" choose new targets? I'm not sure. If it only can target a different cat, then why wouldn't I just pay the (CMC 3 instead of the ). So for me, I think it only works for Emminence, and for me it's not quite strong enough, I think.

Don't you find Farseek to limiting, why not a Three Visits instead? Probably price/availability my guess. What about Tithe?

I've decided I like Aura Shards better than Qasali Slingers just because its less CMC and harder to remove.

Have you found good value in Song of the Dryads? Enchantment speed seems to slow to stop most combo type interactions. But I guess it is temporary (once they remove the enchantment) removal of ANY permanent. What are the main things you run into? Just for Commanders because it doesn't give it back to them like an Oblivion Ring? I would say Prossh, Skyraider of Kher but he's already done his work by the time you can cast an enchantment.

Is Trailblazer's Boots really necessary with having Trample?

I understand your reasoning behind exluding Lost Leonin but really? What Commander's does your pod play, like Kaalia of the Vast running without a Master of Cruelties or Prossh, Skyraider of Kher excluding Purphoros, God of the Forge. Arahbo, Roar of the World already feels like I'm behind sitting down at most tables with Selesnya already, losing my Lost Leonin + Duelist's Heritage seems crazy! Kess, Dissident Mage will still combo me with a Labratory Maniac all the same.

I've put Rhonas the Indomitable in my build, what do you think? He gives Trample (and a small +2), but he's also a 5/5 Indestructible for (CMC3), AND with ANY cat in play he can attack deathtouch. What are you thoughts on excluding him? Because he isn't a cat?

Sol Ring?

Anyways thanks for the assistance hopefully you find something useful in my comment.

October 5, 2017 7:16 p.m.

Hey MementoMuffin, finding your deck helpful for trying to construct a viable Tier 3 Arahbo, Roar of the World deck Arahbo, Xenagos... for Cats.

Couple asks and questions,

Dromoka's Command is modular, but do you find it's under-powered on most modes? Do you find Glare of Subdual a bad conversion? Losing an attacker/blocker for 1 tap? Nissa, Vital Force doesn't seem to have the right Synergy with what the cats are doing? Do you find more utility in the Vorrac Battlehorns for the lower cost than Behemoth Sledge with the lifelink but with no Felidar Sovereign I get it?

I feel Aura Shards give better control then loading up on Sundering Growth/Nature's Claim maybe a Regrowth but there isn't many Flash Cats so perhaps you need the instant removal of it?

You seem to be token pumping / creating, why no Brimaz, King of Oreskos?

Sol Ring and Sylvan Library are key cards in my build. I'm playing more equipment focus, but it's definitely not working yet, still playing with it, any suggestions would be appreciated.

October 4, 2017 7:08 p.m.

Hey nice deck, fellow Kaalia of the Vast player, Kaalia, Mirror Breaker

I don't see any Aura cards, so Stoneforge Mystic is an upgrade to Open the Armory (Or in addition to it).

Razaketh, the Foulblooded is all-star, best Demon of all, should get him in there when you can.

Painful Truths even if cast with + 3 life only gets you 3 cards, not sure the conversion is right there.

Grand Abolisher ability is key, stops anyone casting on your turn, so let's you cast and haste Kaalia of the Vast to get the A/D/D into play. There's nothing else in the game, even Defense Grid hurts you as much as the Opponents. You should play test him, I often tutor for him, just so I can get ahead of the control.

Necropotence is also really good, if you find you have good mana sourcing. Re-fills you hand, and often I'll pull more than my hand size just to ensure I hit a tutor, or a key A/D/D.

Hope you find something here useful. +1

September 29, 2017 10:20 p.m.

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