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Creature — Demon
At the beginning of your upkeep, target player draws a card and loses 1 life.
|Want (7)||whitethunder8101 , James9875412 , lordtoko , Tomagotchi , gigimaci , MoonRaccoon , 2d_3d|
Bloodgift Demon Discussion
1 month ago
Indulgent Tormentor is definitely not as useful as Bloodgift Demon , true it saves the 1 life, however, it doesn't guarantee the draw, and isn't under your control, which for me adds too much randomness, reducing the overall consistency of play.
If you're delayed, mana screwed, or have no A/D/D in hand with a Kaalia of the Vast ready to go, opponents recognize your stalled, and will continue your agony for 3 life. Perhaps if you have an Alliance, or there is an opponent low in life you can target, then you may be able to ensure the draw, but it is highly situational. In cases where an opponent is sacrificing a creature to prevent your draw, it won't be a creature that matters to the board state anyways, they would rather just let you have the draw.
Too much uncertainty to protect the 1 life, I would rather pay 1 life and guarantee the draw. If an opponent is low life, our I'm 1 damage output that turn shy of killing them, or they are tapped out and I need my life for other tutors, I can always target an opponent, surrender my draw to them, and do the 1 damage to an opponent.
Doom Whisperer is a very powerful tutor, he can recursively (assuming you have life), dig through your library, throwing, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , Restoration Angel , and Karmic Guide into the graveyard (at the end of an opponents turn), then puts the Reanimate or Animate Dead ... etc. ontop of your library to draw on your turn, and win! If you do happen to Surveil into something that you can't afford to lose, like a Reanimate or a Animate Dead , something like that, stop Surveiling, draw, then continue Surveilling on your turn pre-combat main phase.
Sure Doom Whisperer is no Razaketh, the Foulblooded , but he doesn't have the downside of the sacrifice, and he is CMC5, so he can potentially win you the game cast from your hand, + ( Reanimate ) is a plausible turn 4/5 alt. win-con if you get the right Surveil. Often I'll surveil to a Tutor (Like Buried Alive ), or to a game changing A/D/D like Master of Cruelties or Iona, Shield of Emeria ... etc. in cases where I have Kaalia of the Vast ready to attack on my turn.
I would avoid the uncertainty of Indulgent Tormentor , stick to a sure thing. If your finding your games are going longer and need more life, you can always augment on the Lifegain/Lifelink strategy, I have quite a bit built in, but there is more, like a Vault of the Archangel as one example. Nearheath Pilgrim would be another I can think of off the top of my head. I used to have more but with EDHREC.com being so popular I removed many of my suggestions.
Thanks for the comments!
1 month ago
thanks for the feedback. I'm gonna try replacing Pitiless Horde and Blood-Cursed Knight with Ammit Eternal and Bloodgift Demon . If you see this deck change permanently, then you are the one to thank.
1 month ago
Really cool deck idea. I think Pitiless Horde could be replaced with some better early game creatures since it doesn't really synergize that well. Knight of the White Orchid could help with some ramping if you adjust your landbase accordingly. Bloodgift Demon is a good card for your strategy and can net you some card draw. Dark Confidant or the cheaper Pain Seer could be good options for early game card advantage as well. Either way, neat deck. +1 from me.
2 months ago
Hi Zequen! Thank you for your comment :)
Wow, that combo is neat! I may try it one day, actually I already have Havoc Festival in my collection!
You're right, I lack small creatures, so I'm considering addition of more Rakdos-enabling possibilities. Often I ramp pretty fast, so casting 5 or 6-mana-cost creatures isn't a problem. I also have a lot of draw to help me drawing more or less anything I want!
Your example of Curse of the Pierced Heart isn't good because it works only on enchanted player's turn, it should work on my turn to let me cast Rakdos, Lord of Riots . Honden of Infinite Rage would be better in that matter. I am focusing on methods that don't use additional mana resources, like Earthquake or Pestilence . I once used Nettle Drone and Gut Shot but I tried to remove all cards that would be not generic or flexible enough. Cryptolith Fragment Flip looks reasonable :)
I will consider adding Indulgent Tormentor , but Bloodgift Demon is better, and already present in my deck :)
In my opinion there is no such thing as too much mass removal :D It's just too good when your opponents are faster than you.
Xantcha, Sleeper Agent is interesting. I'll look for her in my friends collections! When it comes to Mana Geyser and Neheb, the Eternal I don't think I'd use that large amounts of red mana. My deck consists mostly of colorless and black creatures, and I don't think it would have big impact on my plays :)
Thank you a lot for your advice!
3 months ago
Let me introduce to you my favorite rakdos combo Havoc Festival + Wound Reflection . With this they have a turn to find an answer or the die. With the alternate win condition section I assume you aren't against them and this one has value when not together as well.
For comments on the deck. You have no early game power creature wise. The smallest creature you have is Solemn Simulacrum . Considering you have alot of rocks and ramp it may be ok. But to me it looks like you want to act fast and you have like 3 card that can get the damage in to allow you to cast Rakdos, Lord of Riots . Which is what helps you cast end game spells. Many people try to solve stuff like this with Earthquake like effects, or if you are desperate Curse of the Pierced Heart . You can also lols people with Pestilence or similar effects. As you can essentially use it to fulfill Rakdos, Lord of Riots damage opponents requirement, then you can use it to effectively pay 1 Black Mana to reduce the cost of your creature spells by 3.
I would be careful with all the field wipes, you have many great creatures and field wiping alot is counter productive to that strategy. I would replace the field wiping demons to Bloodgift Demon and Indulgent Tormentor instead, as they would be great adds to the deck as the could fulfill the damage requirement and give you card advantage.
I would Personally try adding in Xantcha, Sleeper Agent , as it is card draw and while it is out you can pay 2 extra to cast Rakdos, Lord of Riots . Following the game plan of Rakdos, Lord of Riots you should think about Neheb, the Eternal as well, as it plays the game of damaging people to get "Mana" to cast big spells. A surprise card you can get people with is Mana Geyser as it can easily get you like 12-17 Mana on turn 5 in a standard commander game (4 people).
3 months ago
Hey, so it looks like you have stuffed the deck with ways to tap down your commander, but you're only untapping during your untap step for the most part, you should look into more untap affects. You have Saddlebags, which works, but I would look to add a few more; Staff of Domination , Umbral Mantle , Thornbite Staff , Thousand-Year Elixir , Paradox Engine , also there's Maze of Ith and Thaumatic Compass Flip. Additionally, if you're going to be tapping and untapping creatures, creatures like Avatar of Woe and Visara the Dreadful , to get more value out of those untap affects. Also, take a look at some of the Crew costs. You are low on creatures, high on Vehicles. You'll always have access to King Macar, the Gold-Cursed , but there's no guarantee you'll have creatures with Power > 2 on the battlefield on in your hand so; Aradara Express , Ballista Charger , Bomat Bazaar Barge , Conqueror's Galleon Flip, Consulate Dreadnought , Demolition Stomper , Fell Flagship , Heart of Kiran , Irontread Crusher , Skysovereign, Consul Flagship , and Weatherlight , all are likely dead cards on the battlefield, unable to be crewed. Also, Magus of the Coffers will be high value as well, generating mass amounts of mana while also being able to untapped by untappers. You also might want to look into adding some more card draw, you have Greed , but perhaps Bloodgift Demon , Pain Seer , and Dark Tutelage are solid options. I know some of my suggestions are expensive, but I'm just trying to help optimize, and efficient untappers are going to be expensive because they're rarer.
3 months ago
If you're going to build a deck as cheap as $30, you're probably going to have to lean on a theme to make it functional. That can be supplemented with the fact that even mediocre demons and devils are good at not being coin-flipped away, but stuff like Dance with Devils wasn't even playable in Limited.
I see some reanimator stuff going on, so if you go that route, Torrent of Souls , Zombify , and Profane Command are all solid budget options. You'll want some graveyard stocking power to go with it. Mindwrack Demon , Extractor Demon , Archfiend of Ifnir , pull double duty. Cathartic Reunion , Dark Deal , Faithless Looting , Hazoret's Monument , Khorvath's Fury , Collective Defiance , Shattered Perception , and Tormenting Voice all fit the bill.
Also, Flayer of the Hatebound could power a nice subtheme with your reanimation, and you can stock up on cheap Undying creatures like Demonlord of Ashmouth , Hound of Griselbrand , and Pyreheart Wolf to lower your budget and synergize with Rakdos. Charmbreaker Devils could also be a house once you stock the yard.
Also, maybe improve general card quality by splurging on Bloodgift Demon and Demon of Wailing Agonies ? Demon's Horn , Carnage Altar , Rakdos Riteknife , Devils' Playground , Dance with Devils , Consume the Meek , and Rite of Belzenlok , Archdemon of Greed , Temple of the False God , Tomb of Urami , and Kindly Stranger Flip are all pretty bad. Akoum Refuge and Bloodfell Caves seem like easy adds, as well.
Bloodgift Demon occurrence in decks from the last year
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