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Creature — Dragon
Whenever a dragon you control attacks, put a 6/6 red Dragon creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
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Utvara Hellkite Discussion
5 days ago
elgosu1337: They go infinite if you can make a token, because you can throw an expendable token copy into combat - who cares if they die? ;) Scourge of the Throne definitely requires a certain amount of clever planning, but that's not a huge issue.
You're right re:Jace, Cunning Castaway, though (although he's not a horrible draw effect himself, and he can make creature tokens). Dammit, I thought I was being clever XD he'll probably get cut for Bident of Thassa, then.
I'm running "payoff creatures" in mine as well (Hellrider, Sharding Sphinx, Utvara Hellkite, etc), but I prefer that my payoff creatures aren't completely useless when they're not repeatedly cloned (for example, Borderland Behemoth is terrible except under the circumstance where you successfully have it AND a copy effect AND Brudiclad).
Sorta the same thing re: Windreader Sphinx vs Consecrated Sphinx (though to be fair I could definitely run both). Consecrated Sphinx is ALWAYS amazingly good, while Windreader Sphinx requires me to have a board state and clone effects to do anything significant. Also, Windreader Sphinx is really overcosted :/ didn't even make the cut into my The Locust God list.
Thanks for your thoughts!
1 week ago
Sorry, I've been really busy lately so my ability to respond to comments has been limited. First of all, SmashPortal, if you look at most of elgosu1337's copy effects, they create tokens. That is likely where the Utvara Hellkite token is coming from.
1) Wurmcoil Engine: Most of your copy effects make token copies, so first and foremost, copying Wurmcoil Engine is just great. But let's say it dies and you get the two wurm tokens. Wurm (1) has deathtouch while wurm (2) has lifelink. Yes they may be "small" creatures (3/3's are still pretty substantial), but attacking with lets say 10 deathouching wurms is basically a board wipe or attacking with 10 lifelinking wurms is +30 life. That is a lot of upside in my book.
2) Rite of Replication: this is probably hands down one of the best copy cards out there. Look at it this way. You are running both Cackling Counterpart (3 cmc) and Twinflame (2 cmc). Rite of Replication only costs 1 more than Cackling Counterpart for one copy, albeit at sorcery speed. Now, you kick Rite upping its total cost to 9 cmc and get 5 copies. Cackling Counterpart costs a total of 10 mana to cast it and to flash it back and you only get 2 copies (still a great card at instant speed though). Now lets look at Twinflame. 2 mana for one copy, but lets say we want 5 copies. That would cost a total of 14 mana to get the same amount you can get with a kicked Rite AND those creatures are exiled at the end of combat. I get that you want a lower initial investment, but 4 cmc is pretty darn cheap in Commander and the ceiling on Rite of Replication is soooooo much higher for a lower mana investment. Also, it can target ANY creature on the battlefield while the others cannot.
3) Phyrexian Processor: Not sure why you are afraid of the life cost. Life is a great resource and it is only a one time investment. 4 life (the minimum amount I would spend, but generally 6-10 is where you want to be at) to pump out a 4/4 every turn is pretty darn good. Any more life and you are getting an extremely good rate of cost to creature P/T. But, if you are hesitant, a card like Golden Guardian Flip might be an alternative that is almost as good. As a land it is a tad more resilient as well.
Overall, still love the deck though
1 week ago
The whole point of this deck is to make copies of those creatures. At the beginning of combat, Brudiclad turns our other tokens into Utvara Hellkite, so when they attack each one of them counts all our tokens, so if we start out with 10 Goblin or Myr or Treasure tokens we will have 10 Utvara Hellkites attacking which makes 100 Dragons. Same for Sharding Sphinx, 10 of them make 100 Thopters. For Rapacious One 10 of them will make 50 tokens. If we copied Brudiclad, 10 of them will make 10 tokens the next turn.
1 week ago
SmashPortal Because Brudiclad's trigger specifies beginning of combat, the copies of Brudiclad would not trigger that turn, so we would have to wait until next turn, where each Brudiclad will trigger and make 1 more token. This is of course a lot slower than the other options like Rapacious One, Sharding Sphinx, and Utvara Hellkite, which can make 50-100 tokens that turn.
1 week ago
You can do a lot of change for making it more budget. Change the Mana base and a few other cards. You can make it a CMC 9 TRIBAL with 4 Dragons (Utvara Hellkite, Atarka, World Render, Dragonlord Kolaghan and The Ur-Dragon)). You only Need Grozoth, Omniscience and Dragonstorm for the combo. Share your list, i'm so excited to see what you can do with this!
1 week ago
I would probably cut one of the recursion spells for Price of Glory.
I do not think Utvara Hellkite is a great addition, and think you should focus instead on enter the battlefield and combat damage triggers. Because of how Kaalia works, you do not get to use
Utvara Hellkite's ability the turn you cheat it into play--it never actually "attacks" as it merely enters the battlefield already attacking. Instead prioritize ETB effects and combat damage triggers (particularly as they are on flying creatures), as these will make an immediate difference in the game.
I also am not sure the Wrath of God substitution is necessarily the right answer, as that can make quite a difference. If the demands of your meta require a versitile wrath that can also deal with artifacts and enchantments, consider instead Austere Command--given how powerful your creatures are, it gives you the option of wrathing their small blockers, leaving your own side intact.
I think your other proposals make a good deal of sense.
1 week ago
cdkime I would REALLY like to put Price of Glory but I can't decide what to cut. I was thinking possibly for Disciple of Bolas but I know it would go well with Utvara Hellkite. I have decided to cut Tariel, Reckoner of Souls for Iona, Shield of Emeria and then Mordant Dragon for Utvara Hellkite next is Thunder Dragon for Balefire Dragon next is Wrath of God for Akroma's Vengeance next is Sire Of Insanity for Dragon Mage. do those seem reasonable?
1 week ago
You should definitely cut some lands and add more Dragons/Knights. Try Utvara Hellkite, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, Thunderbreak Regent, Scourge of Valkas, Hellkite Tyrant, Hellkite Charger, Scourge of the Throne.
You may also consider cards like Sarkhan, Fireblood, Dragon's Hoard, Crucible of Fire, Dragon Tempest, Dragonspeaker Shaman and Dragonlord's Servant. I'm no expert on knights, so I can't make any suggestions on that.