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Vampiric Tutor Discussion
20 hours ago
1 day ago
Being that you're more of a budget player I don't know how much my input you are willing to take, but, if you're willing to splurge then I would suggest some tutors like Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Intent, Vampiric Tutor, and then cheap tutors like Diabolic Tutor and Diabolic Revelation.
Other than that this list looks fairly consistent for your budget and player base. Playtest and see what happens =]
1 day ago
Looks a bit like a combo based deck with those extra combat phases. Maybe play some tutors like Demonic Tutor or Vampiric Tutor. If you're on a budget, Diabolic Tutor and Razaketh's Rite are also decent options.
I'd also recommend you playing extra turn cards like Time Stretch just so you can cascade more bigger spells. Hope this helps!!
2 days ago
Screptile I'd love to see those decks play at a table with three t1-2.5 decks. It'd be funny, because they are sounding very good with how you're talking about them, but I know they're not. The reality is JVP is a high tide commander, not control. You cannot win trying to play control against three combo decks that are a majority of t1-2. You just simply can't counter enough.
As for Clique, I feel as though she/he, whatever it is, (no knowledge of the lore behind the fae) most likely won't even come down before a game is already being won. Like I said earlier, sitting down with other decks that are ALL very threatening and powerful, you simply can't provide enough counter magic to three other people to do anything to stop them. Even if you do, you're going to win with a 7 turn clock to 1 of the 3 opponents? Ha. That's a joke in and of itself.
For example, just to show you, I was piloting the Thrasios/Tymna Doomtide deck played/created by one of the labmen yesterday against a Nath stax deck (that I built), a Keranos stax deck (Cameron of the labman piloted this on an episode and I fell in love with it, also my deck), a Paradoxical Arcum deck, and a Karametra Echantress with some prison aspects to it and my opening hand was 3 fetches, Mox Diamond, Mana Crypt, Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, I'm on the play, play mana rocks cast seal (drew a flusterstorm) go get LED. turn 1 sol rings etc. from everyone else a bit of hand sculpting. Drew led, cast thrasios. turn 2 hand sculpting someone made every draw a card (some random kid that isn't included in my earlier listing as he's playing an AWFUL Nekusar deck) I respond with Vampiric Tutor, get Auriok Salvagers draw it, my turn draw land play salvagers, LED, response from the arcum player was force, i replied with a flusterstorm. Win.
You're going to tell me you can control me and two-four (my usual group) out of the game when we are all playing stax, combo, and prison decks? No. That's impossible. Literally. I think they're both fine where they are.
3 days ago
Personally I would playtest or ask your playgroup, if they're ok with it, run them, if not theres tons of blue filler available, yea he is not a leovold in the command zone, but the 3 card combo maralen, mindlock and taigam seems very similar to functionality as Notion Thief plus a Windfall in my nekusar, i guess the comparison i meant was more of a "draw denial" theme.
I may have spoken from experience, but the "color hate" im referring to is more the card pools, my playgroup is very high end so legacy cards like Force of Will Mana Drain Timetwister Chains of Mephistopheles The AbyssNether Void Jace, the Mind Sculptor Imperial Seal Vampiric Tutor Mana Crypt and Candelabra of Tawnos, obviously there are other budgetless cards in white red and green, but blue/black in a legacy pool is perhaps the strongest 2 color, the most prominent example being Underground Sea and it being one of the most expensive dual lands.
In a budgetless playgroup, black and bluehas the scariest selection of spells, its also the colors needed to run the competitive storm archetype due to needing black for Doomsday and blue for Laboratory Maniac and a "draw 4 cards" spell such as Read the Runes or Breakthrough in the doomsday pile, and those decks are definition of unfun, turn swamp, Dark Ritual, Doomsday putting lab maniac on bottom, then win in 5 or less turns when you cast LM and draw with 0 cards in deck... Laboratory Maniac is EXTREMELY useful in mill decks for obvious reasons: opponents die to mill but you dont
4 days ago
I know cavern harpy can bounce mairsil "as many times as you want" but why not just play Shrieking Drake so you need less mana to bounce mairsil the same turn you play them the first time?
Definitely needs more tutors, if you're going to run demonic and buried alive you should definitely play Entomb, Vampiric Tutor, and maybe a multi-tutor like Demonic Collusion which synergizes somewhat with caging graveyard targets?
If you are playing Heartless Hidetsugu as a line of play you need to have a damage doubler that is opponent-specific which I can't find, maybe I'm blind?I wouldn't bother with effects like Magus of the Jar that require you both to have haste on field and sacrifice the creature in order to get immediate value. You aren't profitting from discard or draw directly and it feels like you can play something with a more consistent effect that represents a better target for Mairsil.
You have access to blue so swap Heartstone for Training GroundsAlso definitely think you need to go easier on the colourless ramp, your spells just don't cost that much and you could use more colour fixing since you're limited in terms of rampability. I find Khalni Gem is great for non-green colour combinations since you get your mana back right away AND it keeps your land-drops consistent. AS a mairsil target it can also give you blue mana for many of your activated abilities like knacksaw clique, which you must be aware goes infinite since I see you have quicksilver elementalMaybe you could write a primer explaining the various combos and synergies you're going for? I think some of them are weak lines of play you should cut for interactivity with your opponents instead.
Would also recommend trying to have at least one or two value backup plans that don't need your commander to resolve in order to win, especially since Mairsil requires quite a bit of setup to be a game-ender.
5 days ago
Welcome to Grixis Control! As a lifelong fan of Grixis control I can say you have a pretty decent deck list. However, I do have a few suggestions to offer.
I see you are running Exquisite Blood. Since you run Venser's Journal, I would also suggest running Sanguine Bond as a way to kill your opponents faster. Additionally, I would consider Necropotence for added card advantage and it partners nicely with the journal.
You seem to run a lot of top deck manipulation effects in Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, Sleight of Hand and Read the Bones. I would recommend cutting some or all of those for tutors like Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor or even some of the budget friendlier options such as Diabolic Revelation, Diabolic Tutor, and Dark Petition. Tutoring is a lot more effective for control in the commander environment since you are dealing with a 99 card singleton deck. If you want top deck manipulation I would suggest adding Sensei's Divining Top.
Lastly, I have a couple suggestions for your mass and targeted removal. I would definitely add Damnation to the list if it fits the budget. Additionally, Decree of Pain is wonderful in a control build where removal and card advantage are key. With this card you net both. You may also want to consider artifact board removal such as Nevinyrral's Disk and Oblivion Stone. For instant speed single target removal I recommend Terminate, Hero's Downfall and Crosis's Charm for added flexibility.
I hope you enjoy playing Grixis Control!
6 days ago
I don't know what your budget will be but i can point you a few cards to help out Debt to the Deathless and Sorin Markov is an awesome combo for me and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad is a token generator and his emblem is super helpful Olivia Voldaren is a great way to steal creatures and to search your key pieces Diabolic Tutor Vampiric Tutor Demonic Tutor Enlightened Tutor