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4 days ago
Josh_Estrella: Thank you! Answer - So far so good. Not really having any mana problems, but I am upgrading and tweeking as I continue to play the deck. Just recently added a couple of true Dual Lands Plateau and Scrubland to replace lands that ETB tapped.
6 days ago
I really like Abeyance or Orim's Chant but they are better 1v1. Tithe(as someone mentioned) is also excellent to find Scrubland, Plateau and Mistveil Plains. Return to Dust, Boros Charm, Swords to Plowshares and Anguished Unmaking are staples imo.
3 weeks ago
Alright, we can work with that. However, looking through the list, you'll need a lot of changes.
Let's start with the mana base.
I find most of your land choices questionable at best. I like that you started on a few of your shocks, so you're heading in the right direction there. The only other lands you're running I'd keep are Mana Confluence, Command Tower, City of Brass, and the 1x of each basic. You'll want to add the original duals (Tundra, Underground Sea, Tropical Island, Scrubland, Savannah, and Bayou) and all 10 fetchlands. This will bring us to 29 lands, leaving up to 3 slots for meta decision utility lands. I wouldn't go above 32 total, though. I also personally use Maze of Ith in every deck, but that's preference. I won't be counting those three slots in my running card total.
Next is your ramp. I like that you have Sol Ring and Birds of Paradise, but we can do more. You already have Simic Signet, but I suggest getting all the others, especially the blue ones (Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Golgari Signet, Orzhov Signet, Selesnya Signet). We can also run Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, and Talisman of Unity. Then, we start looking at fleshing out your mana dorks. Deathrite Shaman, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, and Elves of Deep Shadow should all go in. Finally, Carpet of Flowers to get ahead of other blue players.
On to the tutors.
For card advantage:
Current card count: 69.
This is where it gets interesting. I like Cyclonic Rift, Swords to Plowshares, and Winter Orb, but, as before, we can add to those. Abrupt Decay, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Flusterstorm, Counterspell, Mental Misstep, Silence, Negate, Dispel, and Angel's Grace can all find a home here. We can also run Smokestack, tanglewire, Nether Void, The Abyss, Arcane Laboratory, and Notion Thief.
Card total: 87.
I don't see any in your list, so this is a new category. We'll start with the basics. Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Gitaxian Probe. With the best wincons I can prescribe, you'll also want Gush and Night's Whisper.
Card total: 93
Card total: 96.
Or we can not call it competitive. Usually a cheaper option.
1 month ago
MartialArt These are some changes I would make if I was playing this deck in A general competitive meta, with no budget restrictions. Now I have no idea what your meta is but my goal was to lower your mana curve, and cut some of the less optimal cards. Saying that I have left some because I don't think that you would take them out anyways.
Mana Rocks: First I would take out Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive, Chromatic Lantern, and Gilded Lotus. These cards are slow at three, four, and five mana you want to be doing impactful things, such as Smokestack or Nether Void. So the mana I think you should add is cheap and reliable. Mana Vault, Grim Monolith are great adds for cheap mana positive rocks. Land Tax is slow but powerful making sure you don't miss A land drop if you aren't going first and allows for A easier recovery after A mass land destruction.
Land Destruction: Desolation Angel, and Devastation are both seven mana mass land destruction spells, which by the time you get to them the game could be over, even after A stax piece. Ravages of War is already on your maybe list but I say it is considerably better than both these cards. If you feel like you need another Mass land destruction spell Impending Disaster is the next best one I feel, though it is still far weaker. Seven lands is not hard to have in A four player game between all players, and it could sometimes just be A sudo Standstill for land drops.
Tutors: Having A large number of tutors in the game is needed in cedh to make your deck consistent. Saying that I feel you should add the following tutors Imperial Seal, Gamble, and Grim Tutor. I know gamble has A drawback of discarding A card, but the potential upside is too good to not run. Now I said having tutors is needed, but have expensive tutors slows down the deck so with this I say Diabolic Tutor needs to come out. Four mana is asking for A lot when only searching for something needed. Would you pay eight for A smokestacks?
Other cuts: At this point I have suggested one more card, than I have said to take out. Saying that I see some easy cuts. Crawlspace, Ghostly Prison, and Peacekeeper all cards that stop combat, but Cedh almost no decks use combat to win. So I find these are easy cuts to make. Reveillark is A good card, but without A loop it is just slow as it doesn't even get back sun titan, and I would say no one creature is that important for you to play this card. I'm just letting you know how hard it was for me to leave your six drops alone, I'm just saying. I know why they are in there, it just feels bad seeing them. I feel like you have enough token generation for smokestacks to get crazy so I recommend getting rid of Elspeth, Knight-Errant as A four mana make A 1/1 doesn't do enough. Scrap Mastery may sometimes not do enough, I'm not sure how it has worked out for you, so I can't say much, but I don't think I'm A fan.
Other adds: Null Rod, and Stony Silence are just good mana rock hate. These hurt you too, but you know when they are coming so you get to play around them. Aura of Silence Just A good taxing effect that could be used as removal for trouble artifacts/ enchantments. Karmic Justice is basically A mini Martyr's Bond that doesn't work with smokestacks, could be worth trying.
Mana Base Upgrade: You had to know this was coming. I would add Badlands, Plateau, and Scrubland cutting the pain lands Battlefield Forge, Caves of Koilos, and Sulfurous Springs. I feel like this is an obvious change and I don't have to explain myself here. If you decide to add these in I recommend adding fetches, you have nine to choose from, but I'm only going to say seven, adding more would lower your basic count to a number I'm not comfortable with. I would take out Clifftop Retreat, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Dust Bowl, Ghost Quarter, and two Plains for Polluted Delta, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, Marsh Flats, Verdant Catacombs, and Arid Mesa. I left out the fetches that only got red in your deck. I did this because of red being the least important color to grab, and your blood moon effects makes your mountain count way higher than it looks. For the lands I took out I'm only going to explain the two land hate lands. I find that Dust Bowl is really slow and not worth the time it takes to set that up. As for Ghost Quarter getting rid of a trouble land is fine, but giving your opponent a land is trouble, i would say it's even worse that its a basic, making your blood moon lack weaker.
Personal preference: This is what you prefer Vandalblast vs. Shattering Spree vs. By Force. Read the Bones vs. Painful Truths
1 month ago
More cuts, you say?
I'm not wildly keen on the amount of point-removal you're currently running. It's a little meta-dependent, but you're already running 7 vampires that can deal with opposing creatures, making the 10 instants and sorceries feel a bit extra. I would keep the vampires, and then run only the strongest/most flavorful of the other 10. Keep New Blood, Anguished Unmaking, Utter End, and Urge to Feed; cut Terminate, Swords to Plowshares, Mortify, Feast of Blood, Crackling Doom, and Victim of Night. I'd also advocate adding in Vindicate. Really none of the current instants you run are bad per se (I mean, Swords to Plowshares is the best removal spell printed in Magic), but in the interest of making meaningful space, this is where I'd start. Hell, if you really think you need more spot-shot, you could add Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter, though I don't care for his services. Vein Drinker is a solid option, however.
You could still trim a Sorin, though he is pretty nifty. Solemn Visitor is my least favorite.
Blind Obedience and Stensia Masquerade are somewhat unneeded. The Masquerade does improve some if you add in Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace (actually, I recommend running Rix Maadi regardless). The Dungeon Palace also enables you to trim Call the Bloodline if you wish.
You aren't running Cabal Coffers, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, or Black Market, so you only have Nirkana Revenant and Crypt of Agadeem to power up Exsanguinate. I think I'd cut it for a more impactful card.
On the topic of Nirkana Revenant, run more swamps! Yes, they're expensive, but you're going to have to track down two original duals (Scrubland and Badlands) and black fetches to make 3-color-Revenant functional. On the plus side, this would also enable Cabal Coffers, and the fetches synergize with Nocturnus. Bloodhusk Ritualist and Gatekeeper of Malakir will thank you likewise. Canyon Slough and Smoldering Marsh should at least replace some basic mountains.
Look at your color costs: You have only 10 red symbols, and 13 white. You don't need to run R/W dual lands (Sacred Foundry et al). You can get by with just black/x lands.
Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble are better in Olivia Voldaren than Edgar. With Olivia, you want more sac-outlets to ditch borrowed creatures in the event of Olivia's downfall, so the drain effects are a little more consistently powerful. With Edgar at the helm, I think you'd want to add in Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos to augment Butcher of Malakir and sacrifice effects such as Viscera Seer and Indulgent Aristocrat. Without all that, they just aren't reliable enough.
I strongly dislike Mathas, Fiend Seeker. Political play and Group Hug be damned- I want my opponents to suffer alongside me, not get free goodies.... bunch of filthy, free-loading, commie-hippies....
Herald’s Horn doesn't excite me unless you're at 50%+ creatures of the chosen tribe, which is a tall order for most tribes.
Teferi's Protection is sick, but Edgar puts out a lot of tokens, which feel bad with phasing. Not that it's a bad inclusion, but Angel's Grace might be more what you want if you really think you need a Ace of Saves (unlikely). Or if you're after the board protection, Boros Charm could be considered, though it won't help with Merciless Eviction and tuck sweeps.
1 month ago
LeaPlath thank you for the comment! Awesome suggestions
FoW is definitely a card a want for this deck but the it is a bit out of my budget, I plan to get them in good time. The budget thing applies to my lands as well. I'd love some Underground Sea, Scrubland, and Tropical Island but far out of my budget.
I've been in a debate on StP vs Path because in my play group I'm not too sure which would be best; something I will need to test out on my own.
Cryptic is something I love but the mana of it does bite; and with the group I play with it does well enough for at least one copy. I may end up replacing it with something else most likely a force of will
Deathrite shaman is one of my favorite cards of all time and it is actually a perfect fit and I don't know why I haven't made room for it already. Any suggestion on how many to run? A full playset?
Lastly thank you for the feedback! I genuinely appreciate it and please leave more ideas/suggestions if you happen to think of any
1 month ago
Printings have been changed as there have been some upgrades.
Also picked up a NM Scrubland , but as it does not tap for , it has not been included.