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Grand Abolisher Discussion
1 week ago
Hey enpc, I see what you mean. Swapping out the Soul Sisters for Grand Abolisher and Eight-and-a-Half-Tails . The reason why I want to take out only the Soul Sisters is because the other two lifegain cards have extra value ( Suture Priest hits opponents for getting creatures out and Auriok Champion has pro-black and red).
Thanks for your continued help and opinions,
1 week ago
I haven't played with this card yet, but my impression is that you need more Creatures to get value from Kaalia. I would think that 30 is borderline too low. Also I think having an equal balance of Angels/Demons/Dragons is also critical. So I think you need to cut some Angels and Add some more Dragons and Demons.
If 1/3 of the deck are Creatures and I draw 6 then that means I will (on average) hit 2 Creature cards. Which is good! So now I have to balance creature types to ensure that those 2 cards are different in order to draw more than 1.
You don't have nearly enough ramp either. Add the 3 Signets and maybe some other things to get you to where you need to go. In addition to helping you hit the Big threats faster its also going to shore up your issue of needing smaller Demons/Dragons.
On a side note, I think that the graveyard strategy is worth dropping from the deck as it doesn't seem like you really have a means to get creatures in the yard (outside of just dying). Maybe keep Whip of Erebos ?
Cards i would cut... Command the Dreadhorde - just seems like a bad idea. Remember you have to pay life! Grand Abolisher - Is fine, but not critical to what you are trying to do. True Conviction - Again this card is fine, but I am not sure that you need it.
Things I would add... More ways to Blink Kaalia and protect the Bombs you are dropping.
1 week ago
I would have banned Contamination & Infernal Darkness long before I would have banned Iona, Shield of Emeria . Contamination makes Blood Moon and Back to Basics look as trivial as Root Maze when optimized for lockdown. If it didn't affect basic lands I would be much more okay with it.
Protean Hulk or Grand Abolisher - either one of those I would have banned. If my best answer to a combo is Cabal Pit or Ghost-Lit Raider 's channel ability something has gone wrong. If better answers were printed to get around this combo *cough* Grand Abolisher *cough* then it wouldn't be as bad.
Lastly I would have banned Dakmor Salvage . The infinite combo with this card, a discard outlet, and The Gitrog Monster is like the love child between Modern KCI and Legacy Four Horsemen. The casuals in my playgroup don't even want to bother understanding the inter-complexities that go behind this combo because there is a lot to take in, especially when the Gitrog player uses their discard step as a discard outlet to win the game. (Yes, I understand Gitrog players can use their discard step as a repeatable method to cycle Dakmor Salvage .) The issue here is, if no one can or wants to fully understand all the rules and limits that go behind this strategy that means only the Gitrog player is responsible for checking to see if the Gitrog player is following the rules behind his combo or not. The point is unless I'm there this player gets away with winning games a judge would have tossed the book at him for, because he knows his opponents won't challenge him on the validity of his reasoning. (Even I'm not fully knowledgeable on it myself either; I just have a better general understanding.) Seeing it get played in my casual play group is just too painful to watch and no one wants to make a play-group ban or else said player is going to feel singled out which would create bad blood amongst players. Either way this one combo has been disbanding my play group and nobody really wants to play the game as much given the stigma of the combo. I have even given up building my deck to go up against theirs as it would require boarding in cards that would already set my own deck back like Rest in Peace , Cursed Totem , and Suppression Field .
Contamination and Flash-Hulk combo are a pain to deal with, but I feel like I can still somewhat interact with them with cards like Seal of Cleansing and Red Elemental Blast . It's just those strategies feel like they run against the spirit of the game and are just too harsh to deal with as it currently stands. The Gitrog-Dakmor Salvage combo however, is the only strategy I feel incredibly helpless against that is crushing my interest in playing this format. I don't think these cards will ever get banned however, because they're either too obscure for most casual players to use often enough and/or they demand a player to own a lot of monetarily expensive cards in order to use them consistently and fast. Contamination , Infernal Darkness , Grand Abolisher , and Dakmor Salvage are the cards I feel need to banned the most given their impact when utilized in decks that can use them optimally.
3 weeks ago
So Gaea's Blessing does the exact same thing as Kozilek, Butcher of Truth in the shuffle hulk piles except that it costs 2, not 10, so you can run Ad Nauseam and not just kill yourself. But if you're not running Ad Naus, both is good redundancy. But yeah, Gaea's Blessing forms the combo.
So just for clarity's sake (And I'm sure you know all of this) but the line for the deck is:
There's also a line you can get which is:
I have also seen people talk about including Cloud of Faeries in the deck in case you have any of the combo pieces in hand. Somebody was also talking about using Whirlpool Rider (instead of Grand Abolisher ) in the previous line to just reshuffle the pieces in.
As for Shrodinger's Cat - the line is:
Get Leonin Relic-Warder in the graveyard with Blood Artist / Zulaport Cutthroat in play and then either Animate Dead or Necromancy the cat. with the ETB trigger, off Warder, you can then exile the enchantment, sending kitty to the graveyard, which triggers the LTB ability which returns the enchantment to play, targetting kitty... I think you get the rest.
The nice thing about this package is that Necromancy is in the deck already, Animate Dead is an easy include and so you're really just adding Leonin Relic-Warder (which is still enchantment removal, especially with stacking triggers from something like Viscera Seer ). So for one extra card you have a backup combo which overlaps with the other cards.
3 weeks ago
Also, Karn, the Great Creator is very good against Kozilek decks. My Kozilek deck (that I built 2 years ago!!!) has been finally tuned, with the exception of whether or not I want to fit in Mystic Forge and if I do, what to replace for it...And every time someone plays a Damping Sphere , Stony Silence (or other effects like it), Grand Abolisher , Bane of Progress / Aura Shards ...I feel very saddened because the hate is so deliberate. Hence the reason I put more money into the deck and allowed me to hopefully impact the board a lot faster before those cards even matter. So be prepared for that if you bring a lot of hate. Cheers!
3 weeks ago
I would put Silence back into the main deck, along with Grand Abolisher . I've found these two to be most helpful when getting ready to combo off as it shuts down all Instant speed spells for your turn.
To make room for them I would probably pull out Contamination and Trinisphere . Contamination is too conditional, plus you get a similar effect with Blood Moon . The only decks that BM doesn't hit are mono color decks, and for those I usually pull out Rule of Law or Stony Silence . Trin-sphere seems like it'd throw your curve off as well as everyone elses, and having to pay three mana for a dork kinda hurts.
4 weeks ago
Alrighty, so I had a look at the list a here are a few things I picked up (also, I'm working under the assumption of infinite budget for now):
You're running very heavy on removal, probably more than you need to be. I would personally lose Vindicate , Beast Within and Anguished Unmaking . On the flipside, the new Force of Vigor looks really good and can help get rid of Rest in Peace effects. UYou also have cards like Silence , Orim's Chant , Veil of Summer and Imp's Mischief which can be used to protect your combo. There's also Grand Abolisher , however I like Silence a bit better.
As for card advantage, some cards you could consider are: Mentor of the Meek to trigger on your dorks/saprolings, Summoner's Pact which can get Hulk/Saffi, Runic Armasaur which is meta dependent but can be very good, Tymna the Weaver who again is meta dependent but can turn your dorks/saprolings into cards and Painful Truths which is better than Phyrexian Arena since it gives you the cards immediately.
I'm not sure I like the Lesser Masticore combo. I feel like it's a very specific line that doesn't do much outside of it. and outside of combo, Disciple of the Vault and Melira, Sylvok Outcast are effectively dead cards.
Those would be my thoughts for now at least. I hope this gives you a few ideas.
4 weeks ago
Grand Abolisher occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
GW (Selesnya): 0.74%
WB (Orzhov): 0.4%
RBW (Mardu): 0.46%