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Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
Legendary Creature — Demon
Whenever an opponent searches his or her library, that player sacrifices a creature and loses 10 life.
Whenever another creature dies, put a +1/+1 counter on Ob Nixilis, Unshackled.
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Ob Nixilis, Unshackled Discussion
3 weeks ago
I think that Ob Nixilis, Unshackled would be a fun choice and could either end the game pretty soon after being played or just really force your opponent to not draw and also lose for not having anything to play.
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
Hi, looking at the deck it seams kinda interesting. However I only see two demons? I get that you are trying to clone and reanimate them but only having two targets seams a bit lackluster. It also does not seams like you are running any sac outlets witch will help. I believe you are running to many lads as well. 40 is a high count. I would trim some down and run a few mana rocks. Sol Ring Dimir Signet are on the cheaper ends, if you are on a budget. They give you flexibility and are very useful to ramping you towards your game plan. Also, some demons I may suggest are BIG DADDY himself Razaketh, the Foulblooded Rune-Scarred Demon to help search. Ob Nixilis, Unshackled ( Ob , can be a very mean card but if only used to keep in check a life gain deck he is not that bad.) Also Shadowborn Apostle (They are kinda pricey but just go to your local LGS (Local game store) and i'm sure you can find them in the bulk boxes.) These are all just suggestions. Ohh one more note , with Thief of Sanity and Etrata, the Silencer Blade of Selves Is awesome !!
2 months ago
I have to vote for since it is my favorite color. I would say if you go with rats use Rat Colony over Relentless Rats. The colony is easier to kill but its power grows for EVERY rat while relentless grows only for each other relentless. This makes a huge difference when you are running Marrow-Gnawer.
That said I would recommend Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker with the Shadowborn Apostles. This deck is a lot of fun and people really underestimate the versatility of demons. My Reaper Born is Athreos but you can see much of what you might want to include in the deck. And since you are mono- you have room for some of the things I don't like Coat of Arms which turns the clerics huge and the demons that are already big even bigger. Running Conspiracy is also interesting depending on the non-demons you play.
2 months ago
Definitely a great fit for this deck Abzkaban; I have it in the maybeboard under the landsmatter strategy. Not only would it be great late game with Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, but even if Ob Nixilis, Unshackled was my main strategy in a particular game, it's actually a fantastic early game mana fixer (especially with Crucible of Worlds or Ramunap Excavator in play), and mana ramper with World Shaper or Splendid Reclamation. It layers well as those last two cards also get Field of Ruin back in a pinch, and Scapeshift will get Field of Ruin from the library if I don't have it in play yet while Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is within reach. The two strategies combine well together.
It's been pure value in the playtests - you know something belongs in the deck when you're always happy to see it on the topdeck.
I was thinking I'd share the test-pilot deck with you and a few others when I have it a little further as I would appreciate some help tuning it a bit more before making it public.
2 months ago
I really appreciate you going over this and bringing your Ghave expertise to the table.
btw, I think Avatar of Growth is the only etb trigger like that, at least that I've seen
I'm definitely hearing you with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and the ETB/recursion ability. He's a fantastic option for upping the effectiveness of the deck especially considering cmc's and tutors. For example, I could sack Protean Hulk to bring in Ob Nixilis, Unshackled, then after Protean Hulk is brought back, sack him again for Avatar of Growth. Ob Nixilis and Avatar they are both 6cmc, so fit in Protean's limitations! I could do the same with Fierce Empath though he just puts them into my hand. With Mikaeus on the battlefield and Eldritch Evolution or Birthing Pod in place, I could sac either Ob Nixilis or Avatar to bring the other in. Btw...Mikaus with Fertilid and enough mana for activate his search engine trigger? ohhhh man, match made in heaven!
Ultimately, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed becomes another node in the network the gives multiple new routes to the goal - that's what I need in this deck, so thanks for that!
I've seen the Karmic Guide + Reveillark mentioned often and see them ringing alarm bells for people when they are played. Someone's obviously getting up to something at that point! I'm going to play test them, but may keep them on the "maybe" for the sake of trying alternate routes out first. You are so very right though, the recursion package is going to be a big key to this deck hitting a rhythm. I know I'll end up trying them in here, but I'm going to dig for alternatives for now. ... even without those two in here though, Saffi Eriksdotter seems like a great add. I put together a rough version of the deck, set to private, just to play test it. I was missing having early drops that offer value and support to the machine while helping it move forward. Saffri could potentially be one of those.
As for other recursion options: what do you think of Meren of Clan Nel Toth + Skullwinder (who also deters attacks) and/or Eternal Witness? I'm thinking this could be a good alternative for bring back Pir's Whim or another way to get Field of Ruin back. Meren would also get that Avatar of Growth ETB again in a turn - getting up to 6 experience counters with Ghave would be no problem at all.
Also - one that has worked really well in play testing, because of the lands matters aspect, is Emeria Shepherd. She's amazing recursion actually. With all the great land spells I have that can drop larger amounts of land on the battlefield, I can bring in multiple plains at once to return creatures Avatar of Growth, enchantments (Pattern of Rebirth or Wound Reflection), or artifacts Ashnod's Altar back to the battlefield together for a final boom.
Ghave initially made sense with the built in sac engine for Pattern of Rebirth, for fueling fertilid, utilizing the counters Ob Nixilis got, as well as his colours. I also knew that he had such great value engines because the second EDH deck I ever built was Ghave (with many of the combos) and I figured, once it was time to start filling the deck out, I know I have helpful options available. It's started to make more and more sense though as things have progressed.
For example: If I get into the landfall token creation I'm producing good fuel for the sac engines like Ashnod's Altar, food for Skullclamp and triggers for Bloodspore Thrinax or Ivy Lane Denizen type engines and Mentor of the Meek.
Great point on the infinite sacs for infinite flying demon, I didn't even make that obvious connection with Ghave's infinites and his trigger... And let's not forget, he's got trample! So, unless they are blocking with a flying, first strike deathtoucher, that's game for that opponent. I foresee the deck being able to combo off killing all but one opponent in some instances, so having the secondary "death-con" built into the primary is pretty nice.
What I love about going the land-matters route is bringing in Ob Nixilis, the Fallen and taking the "pain" theme further with his landfall trigger. I could bring in mass lands from the big "search engine" ramp, token triggers to fuel ghave/altar/clamp/thrinax/mentor, then deal direct damage and grow a monster (unfortunately non-flying/non-trample). I do see the value in keeping some control in mind as well and am open to ideas for priorities there. Finding the balance will be the journey, for sure.
Thanks so much for taking the time Abzkaban! I'm glad you can appreciate the jankier version of Ghave. He screams for the efficient infinite combos, it's written all over him, and I'll never tire of playing that style of him...
Yet! his abilities and colours are pretty fun enablers and I have a few other ideas for him (though this is the jankiest of them so far). I'm excited to see this keep evolving, and with something that feels so unique in some ways, it's been pretty fun having folks like you step up with new insights that seem to take it to such a greater level. Another example is Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor's idea of Biorhythm... Something I don't think I've seen in a Ghave deck, yet Ghave can use it so well, and it brings everyone within easy reach of a Field of Ruin + Ob Nixilis, Unshackled search to death!
So again, thanks for being part of it :)
2 months ago
I love the strategy of the deck. It's so far removed from what you would expect from a Ghave deck that it'll take most people by surprise.
I personally like the land matters strategy but I feel the black control fits the flavor and theme better. Honestly I think you can have a good balance of both. Once you've got Ob Nixilis, Unshackled out there, I think ETB effects can be your friend especially since you should be able to abuse them. The flicker strategy works really well, there, but I would also suggest Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. He would be good on two fronts. First he'd be great for using ETB effects multiple times, but he's also great recursion to keep Ob Nixilis in play. You just need Ghave to remove the counter and you can bring him back again. If you can manage it you could create an infinite recursion loop with him, Ghave, and Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar. Unfortunately this would be a 5 card combo since you'd need Mikaeus, Ghave, Ob Nixilis, an altar, AND Avatar of Growth or someone similar. I'm not sure if there is anyone else who forces a search like he does, though.
I think you could easily pull yourself into a win with just Pattern of Rebirth using Protean Hulk if you add in a recursion combo. By using Karmic Guide + Reveillark + Saffi Eriksdotter + a sac outlet, you can continuously bring back Hulk and search for any creature in your deck that you want. You could grab Ob Nixilis, Unshackled and Fertilid or better yet Avatar of Growth. As long as you have a free sac outlet, you can continuously bring back Avatar and trigger Ob Nixilis until you drain everyone. Not to mention that they're great single card recursion on their own except that Reveillark isn't able to bring Ob Nixilis back.
Even with utilizing lands and black control, I do think it's a missed opportunity not to utilize Ghave's abilities in some way. If you're using him just for his colors, than any Abzan commander would work. You mentioned on my deck that you wanted to adopt some combos here. Which ones did you have in mind? Adding in some combo pieces with Ashnod's Altar like Bloodspore Thrinax or Ivy Lane Denizen would allow you to use Skullclamp, Mentor of the Meek, or Fecundity to draw into your win cons. Combos like this could also bee good for Ob Nixilis as well. Infinite sacrifices means you'd have an infinite/infinite flying demon. I know that's not the focus of this deck, but it could be an alternate interaction.
Excellent idea! I look forward to seeing how this all comes together.
2 months ago
I have a few suggestions.
I think in general you could use some more token support. Since your deck is already $400 I'm not going to hold back on the expensive cards, but I think you should consider adding these.
- Dragonlair Spider you have 3 opponents generally so this card does tons of work, I'd definitely move it to the main board
- Grave Titan just a awesome creature
- Craterhoof Behemoth Awesome finisher in any board based deck
- Triumph of the Hordes another awesome finisher for creature based decks.
I also think that some of your cards aren't great or don't compliment your deck well:
- Runaway Steam-Kin in general I think you don't have enough red spells for this to help
- Mer-Ek Nightblade,Ob Nixilis, Unshackled,Pir, Imaginative Rascal,Corpsejack Menace,Forgotten Ancient. Your creatures that sac a creature to give themselves +1/+1 are fine, but I don't think there are enough of them to warrant all of this support.
- Banefire,Bonfire of the Damned,Flameblast Dragon. In edh you only need a few X spells and generally the ones that hit multiple opponents are far better. You would be better off with just Exsanguinate and Torment of Hailfire
And there are a few cards I'd advise running just because they are so good
- Eternal Witness
- Phyrexian Altar
- Kodama's Reach
- Sidisi, Undead Vizier
- Vampiric Tutor
- Phyrexian Arena
- Purphoros, God of the Forge
- Impact Tremors
- Goblin Bombardment
But other than that your deck is pretty good especially for your first EDH deck. I hope these suggestions help!
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