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5 days ago
I had forgotten that fetches could pull dual lands, and I'm all for deck-thinning: that being said, I'll still have to wait a bit before I can purchase them. I'll wait until I acquire these cards before I update the lands in my deck list: that way I can test them out, though I'm pretty confident that they should work just fine.
Perhaps you could explain something else to an amateur like myself: I would have thought that because Chaos Warp is lower in cmc that it would be the superior choice to something like Cast Out, but maybe I just don't understand the curve.
Considering your idea of using oppression to incapacitate your opponent into submission, as opposed to relying on defensive cards like Dueling Grounds, do you feel like Constant Mists and Red Elemental Blast don't do do enough? Would something like Choke be superior to Pyroblast, due to its more devastating, long-term impact?
Cool, Angelic Destiny works great.
I kinda like the staxy approach of layering one type of prison on top of the other, in addition to the inherent diversity involved, but preventing your opponents from drawing/tutoring cards is a powerful effect. I had considered using Nevermore to oppose more commander-centric strategies, but that could possibly be a dead card, though Stranglehold rarely would be.
This is off-topic, but one of the reasons voltron is so fun for me is because it's so different from the standard decks that most players use and creates fun interactions. I like being able to humble the snobby spike player (not saying all spikes are snobby) that I occasionally play against and level the playing field so that other people can actually have fun, and while I wouldn't consider voltron entirely unorthodox, it is pretty uncommon to see it played.
Anyway, I guess what I'm asking is: are there are any other unorthodox deck types that you would recommend? I get tired of seeing the same decks all the time, so playing something both unique and competitive would be a lot of fun, and most people wouldn't know how to react to something like that. At heart, I'm probably a Timmy player, which is partly why voltron appeals to me.
5 days ago
**Edit: I just realized, you only have one double strike enabler...this is better:
5 days ago
Not sure if you know, but fetches can get dual lands. For example, Verdant Catacombs can get you a Savannah, Temple Garden, Taiga, or Stomping grounds in addition to its ability to get a basic. Fetches warrant their price for a reason.
Just leave the Cast Out. It's an amazing card and I don't really want to keep messing with the curve. We would have to remove Chaos Warp to keep the curve correct though. Grasp of Fate is probably better than Chaos Warp too (now that I think about it) just because it gets rid of three permanants with no drawback.
We really need to get rid of a three drop to curve out...hmmm how about this...
Snake Umbra -> Stranglehold/Cartouche of Zeal. I don't think going down to 18 should be that different. Having multiple of the same effect is always good in EDH, but if you're worried about it I think the other aura is fine. Cartouche lets you recover well if Uril gets hit by a board wipe or close out a game for a low CMC.
5 days ago
Thanks, man: people don't tend to think of voltron decks as being competitive, so that's why a labeled it as a casual deck.
The main reason I like Holy Mantle is because it offers evasion, and I feel like that's arguably the most important type of enchantment, but if I replace it with Stranglehold that brings me down to 18 auras, which is a little scary, and if I remove Snake Umbra, that leaves me with just 17 auras, compared to the 19 that you have. You sure that's not too low? Also, by adding Stranglehold, should I just scrap Aven Mindcensor?
At the very least I need Replenish, but I don't mind getting rid of Retether and replacing it with Regrowth. Board wipes aren't so bad during the early goings, but I tend to get focused because of how powerful Uril, The Mistalker gets in such a short period of time.
I don't have copies of Grove of the Burnwillows or Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers, but I have City of Brass, Mana Confluence and Horizon Canopy. The additional fetch lands are cool, but given how few basics I would have and the fact that I'd be limited to fetching only one type of basic is a concern.
I'm completely at ease with most of your suggestions: my only worries are decreasing the total number of auras in my deck and acquiring those off-color fetch lands, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
6 days ago
I'm a big fan of the update, the deck has come a long way. However there still are a few things that I think would make the deck better still:
Rounding out the curve so that it has the look of a descending staircase. To do this we need to replace a 3-drop with either a 1-, 2-, or 4-drop. Snake Umbra is definitely the weakest 3-drop.
Holy Mantle could still probably be replaced. I still find this card to be really unimpressive at 4 mana.
Lastly, Grasp of Fate is still missing. This card is really hard to pass up.
I don't want this to get lost in translation over multiple posts so I'll try to fix the curve and you can either agree or disagree with my adjustments...
You mentioned getting rid of the color fixing enchants like Abundant Growth and Unbridled Growth, but those are there for multiple reasons. They add to enchantment count (for both Ancestral Mask & Ethereal Armor), can filter and/or draw cards, and provide early game fixing. There is not really a need to remove them as they actually do more than you think.
The lands that I suggested were...Grove of the Burnwillows, Horizon Canopy, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, more fetches, and Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers. They will be better than the speed lands and with the replacement of more basic lands, better than the check lands as well. I definitely would not get rid of all your basics though.
My suggestion for your ideal land base would be...
1x Ancient Tomb
1x Arid Mesa
1x Marsh Flats
I also love that you have this deck tagged as "casual," this deck is a far cry from casual. Lol
6 days ago
1 week ago
Ok! Combining some stuff I've noticed from playing the deck, and some analysis regarding average CMC and Mana Curve and whatnot, this is my edit list that I'll be considering:
Cards to remove:
Cards to add:
- Tooth and Nail *Already own this*
- Sneak Attack
- Birthing Pod
- Green Sun's Zenith
- Avenger of Zendikar
- Vexing Shusher
- Prowling Serpopard
- ... what else!? :P
Any suggestions on these edits and the deck in general would be great! :)
2 weeks ago
Sorry for not typing Stranglehold correctly in the question.