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As an additional cost to play Fire Covenant, pay X life.
Fire Covenant deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures.
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Fire Covenant Discussion
6 days ago
Any alternative for Fire Covenant?
Also, isnt Cyclonic Rift almost always a dead card early game primarily because it kind of attracts you to its overload cost? Any alternatives too in mind?
Lastly, any thoughts on Ad Nauseam?
1 month ago
Hey I've been playing Kess, Dissident Mage since she was released and I love her. Some simple changes you could make to your deck are as follows-
- Kess, Dissident Mage loves instants and sorceries more than creatures, she especially loves Tutors and "cantrip's" (spells that do an effect and then replace themselves) since she can cast them twice they become card advantage. You have many cheap options I would add Gitaxian Probe, Ponder, Preordain, Impulse, Opt and maybe Serum Visions and Brainstorm for cantrips and Gamble, Dark Petition possibly Merchant Scroll, Beseech the Queen and Mystical Tutor for tutors. The cantrips will also help you hit early land drops.
- Your mana curve is pretty scary for a deck with only 29 lands you need to take that down a bit or add more lands probably do both. Decks with 29 lands run all the cantrips and have a average CMC of around 2 not 3.5
- You have Windfall how about a Notion Thief? Its quite powerful when flashed in in response to someones draw spell.
- The dragon theme doesnt make any sense and is very counter intuitive to what your deck is trying to do. You should probably cut all the dragons and dragon related spells.
- My favorite win condition for Kess, Dissident Mage is using Aetherflux Reservoir and Isochron Scepter with Dramatic Reversal to cast infinite spells and gain infinite life. If you went that rout adding Fabricate, Muddle the Mixture maybe Shred Memory and Whir of Invention would probably be a good idea.
- I think you could also probably cut The Locust God, Skullclamp and Unstable Obelisk instead of those add Dimir Signet and hopefully Talisman of Indulgence, Talisman of Dominance and for draw add cards like Fact or Fiction, Manifold Insights or Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise. You can add Faithless Looting and Frantic Search to preload the graveyard to pay for the last two spells.
- Dark Petition, Dark Ritual and Cabal Ritual are great mana producing spells for Kess, Dissident Mage
your counter magic suite is a little weak you probably want Chain of Vapor, Swan Song, Counterspell, Delay and Dispel along with Negate. take out any counterspell that cost more than 2 mana.
- Baral, Chief of Compliance is super good at reducing the cost of your spells as well. With him add Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast depending on meta.
- These changes will make you weaker to creatures run Reality Shift, Snap, Rapid Hybridization, Fire Covenant and Earthquake
1 month ago
demonicgrizzly Correct. You have to first end the WGD loop by animating another creature in someone's yard. But, at that point, you have infinite mana. Then you can cast Breya with infinite mana and sac her to herself repeatedly.
You can cast instants during the WGD loop, tho, if you have one that will help to put a creature in a yard. Stuff like Lightning Bolt, Izzet Charm, Intuition, Entomb, Fire Covenant, Frantic Search or a top-deck tutor + Thought Scour. I had been running slightly more of those cards, but moved away from them. You can also cast bounce spells to end the loop by targeting animate dead or the WGD itself. And if you have Bazaar of Baghdad in play, then that solves that problem.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Heya Sgtpopnfreash, thanks for the assist.
buuchuu, yeah, sometimes life loss is a general problem. But, usually it's just if you have to clear some stuff with Fire Covenant, which is good, but costly. Then if you also have to Necro and Doomsday or set off an Ad Naus, it can be pretty constraining. But, with stuff like Mana Crypt and Ancient Tomb and talismans and fetches, pretty soon you can be low on life and be cut off from strong Ad Nauseam lines; although usually Necropotence works at lower life totals. The short answer is I haven't found that I want Angel's Grace, but you're welcome to try it. It can be kind of slick, sometimes I Pact of Negation something that's preventing me from going off, then Angel's Grace with the pact trigger on the stack. Then if you can get Ad Nauseam off in that same turn, that's pretty strong. Hmm. I guess, my recommendation is to try the Angel's Grace and see how it goes.
I wouldn't ever cut Necropotence. There's a few rituals to cast it and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. It's easy to tutor for turns 1-2, and costing only 3 mana makes it easier than a 5-mana Ad Nauseam. Plus, if you fill up your hand with Necro, it's really easy to assemble a hot Doomsday pile with protection from there, check my description above for the pile.
2 months ago
I currently run a Sunforger package in a 4 colour blood deck and have found Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile and Chaos Warp to be enough value by themselves (there are a few red/green cards too but you can't run them).
Fire Covenant is also a good choice depending on your meta.
Secret tech though is Lapse of Certainty.
2 months ago
Hey! I actually don't use tappedout too much at all... I accidentally misclicked the deckcycling thing which might've caused the deck to appear :\
Personally, I actually did manage to make the entire Hokori, Dust Drinker/Armageddon deck with faster acceleration. I cut all the random fatties and went for the linvala/elesh +living plane plan! I played that deck for a good 20~months (all the way up till December 2016), and moved onto Derevi, Empyrial Tactician... (mostly because I already had a lot of expensive bombs in selesnya colours and I felt Derevi was going to be pretty awesome in my playgroup!) By the time paradox engine was spoiled, I had already bought Tropical Island and Tundra and was past the point of no return. I think Sisay is a better deck against slower, more casual metas (stax + fatties, not the storm version). She's fun to play, and somewhat open ended because there are a multitude of different lines of play, so I've really enjoyed her. My meta is comprised of an array of decks, most of which are fast combo (flash hulk/gitrog), mixed in with a couple of control decks in the mix because we play team oriented games as opposed to free for all games where the game ends much faster. I am the only stax/resource denial player in my meta.
I think overall, my thoughts on Sisay are that her locks are abit softer then Derevi even though she has alot more steam when she is left unanswered. She's great when she can untap even once because of the threat of Hokori decks, but cards that I've personally found very difficult to power through were Humility, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Bribery (Elesh Norn/Linvala) or an opponents Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite/Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Although these problems are hardly solved in Derevi, I can play Sisay if i walked into a random store in a random city, but Derevi has a 50/50 chance of being a terrible deck/fantastic bullet depending on who sits across the table from me. Her ability to handle midrange-ey decks while being a stax commander is quite unique outside of her and Selvala, both break parity a little bit differently I guess, depends on which you prefer.
Wew. With all that said, I have tried a couple games with the new storm Sisay deck by shamelessly net-decking the list off from the EDH discord/labmaniac lists. Unfortunately I did not have a great experience with Fire Covenant or Toxic Deluge type effects. Also because of the number of counterspells in my playgroups, sometimes Sisay getting countered twice means I really have to suck it up and play really slow games without doing much at all, especially in cases where she gets cast using fast mana and I have no other way to get cards quickly without getting lucky and drawing a great tutor. I've always enjoyed your lists, back then I believe you used to play Insist and Savage Summoning, and I was a big fan (sorry if this wasn't you, but I think it was? There weren't many Sisay decks on tapped out prior to the printing of Paradox Engine). How has Paradox been for you? Is this version of Sisay better in a pure T1 meta? I was really revisiting these lists to see if she was worth a revisit!
Hopefully the wall of text isn't too much for you, I've never really had a conversation with someone about the older Sisay decks because everyone is so obsessed with the fast combo version of Sisay now. I guess doing the Sisay combo IRL is also very cumbersome; playing side events at a GP while having to demonstrate the Cloudstone Curio+Reki, History of Kamigawa+random cheap legendary is a straight nightmare because they have to cut your deck for you to draw, then continue searching with sisay when you begin the paradox combo etc. Its a major reason why I have not returned to Sisay for extensive testing. Hopefully you have some insight for me!
2 months ago
Have you considered something like Static Orb into the deck? It works very well with Authority of the Consuls and friends, and since your deck thrives in long, grindy games, it might work out in your favor.
I'd also rather play Toxic Deluge than Rout, personally. It deals with indestructible creatures, and can be tailored to your needs. I'm also a fan of Fire Covenant in general, when you really need that instant-speed targeted wrath.