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Utter End Discussion
2 days ago
Looks fun! I would personally suggest Anguished Unmaking over Utter End (I prefer the lowered cost), and even in a voting deck Illusion of Choice seems very situational: maybe Swords to Plowshares or Reparations instead?
3 days ago
Get rid of Manalith , Pristine Talisman , and Darksteel Ingot for the Talismans: Talisman of Hierarchy , Talisman of Dominance , and Talisman of Progress . Condemn should be replaced by something like Utter End , Anguished Unmaking , Murder , Go for the Throat , or some better removal spell that will actually remove something. You are running in here, so play to it's strengths. Instead of Curse of the Swine , I'd run something more like In Garruk's Wake or Plague Wind . Yeah, they are a high CMC, but they're budget, and one-sided. Day of Judgment would be a decent option, too.
You're running Wizard's Retort with only one Wizard in your deck. Cut it for 2 CMC counterspell or another removal piece.
Book of Rass is Book of Ass in this deck; the only colors I run Book of Rass in is Boros, because Boros sucks at card draw. With all the lifegain, Necropotence could be worth the risk to run. can be tough to pull off in a three-color deck, but it might be worth a shot in this deck with all the lifegain. Arguel's Blood Fast Flip and Erebos, God of the Dead are other options to consider.
5 days ago
Out: Gild --> willst nix exilen sondern in den Graveyard packen, Springleaf Drum --> zu langsam und du willst nix tappen, Ghostly Prison --> geschmackssache muss nicht sein hast genug gute Kreaturen zum blocken, Death Grasp --> besser wäre hier Debt to the Deathless bring lieber alle um als nur einen, Bontu the Glorified muss hart drum herum gebaut werden besser wäre der neue bontu God-Eternal Bontu , Overseer of the Damned --> zu langsamer removal und zombies kommen tapped rein meh, Pontiff of Blight --> Extort brauchst du nicht bzw. das ganze gibt es billiger in Tithe Drinker .
In: Anguished Unmaking + Utter End + Despark + Swords to Plowshares --> typisches Removal Package in Orzhov, Selfless Spirit --> sehr gut weil protection von wipes, Golgari Thug --> kann rein füllt graveyard, Enlightened Tutor --> wenn du ihn hast perfekt findet Skullclamp, Living Death --> hervorragender Boardwipe für dich, Viscera Seer --> immer gut zum saccen, Pawn of Ulamog --> sac futter und ramp,
Rest hast du schon drin.
1 week ago
1 week ago
I'd keep Yahenni, Undying Partisan in the deck. A free sac outlet is always useful, and he can become nasty over time.
Dread Shade is cutable. Other than being a creature you can pump, he doesn't give you much. Not enough value for a slot. I don't like Angel of Despair , either. Too high a CMC for what she does in colors that don't have a problem getting rid of just about anything. Better off running Anguished Unmaking , Despark , or Utter End . I think I'd cut the one-time fog effects like Darkness and Ethereal Haze . You just aren't going to get much value out of them, and better cards that support what your deck wants to do should go in their place, like Aristocrats that give you value when things die. Zulaport Cutthroat , Cruel Celebrant , Viscera Seer , Falkenrath Noble , and the like. Teysa Karlov would be strong here, too, as I think it should double up triggers on your Commander.
Hope this helps some.
1 week ago
Hey! Saw your deck posted before FLATSO99's and thought I'd comment since I also play Ghave.
First off I assume your goal with this deck is to play "fair" with a go-wide tokens and counters strategy with some options to win with a combo, but I'd like to offer my primer for you to take a look at and borrow anything you like. I go into detail the different combos you can get from Ghave and how they work as well as a list of combos found in my list.
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That being said, I have a few suggestions for how you can strengthen the deck even if you're not looking to combo off as soon as you can.
Your mana curve is a bit high, and I think you can cut some of the more mana-heavy cards to trim the deck and let it play more smoothly. For instance I see Butcher of Malakir but no Dictate of Erebos or Grave Pact . I understand if it's a budget problem, but I personally run Grave Pact thanks to it's lower cmc. Yes, Martyr's Bond does the same thing and even extends to permanents other than creatures, but I find it's not worth the mana cost. You could probably cut that one, too.
I know you mentioned Walking Ballista , and I eventually cut Triskelion in my own deck for it. It only needs an extra card (either a sac outlet or Blood Artist effect) to combo with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed which will still often be cheaper on the mana to cast than just Triskelion .
Unless you're building the deck around it, I'd cut anything with Landfall. It's almost never worth it if you're not making it a big theme in your deck.
I'm not a fan of Faerie Macabre . There are better cards for graveyard hate. Bojuka Bog comes to mind which you should run if you really need the grave hate. If you're insistent on having a spell fill that slot, Shred Memory is better as it also acts as a tutor for a 2 cmc card.
Pack Rat is unnecessary. I'd focus on the saproling tokens. You'll have better synergy in the deck that way.
I also don't think you're running enough elves to get the most out of Elvish Archdruid . I'd cut that in favor of other ramp. The ramp you have in the deck already is pretty good without him.
I notice you have Kitchen Finks which is an excellent combo piece, but have you considered running any undying creatures (besides the effect of Mikaeus, the Unhallowed )? I highly recommend Young Wolf as he's an easy route to getting as many tokens as you want. Strangleroot Geist or Butcher Ghoul can also be good. You could run more persist creatures if you like as well. I've liked having Puppeteer Clique and Woodfall Primus in my deck since if you can recur them over and over, you get some awesome effects. If you want cheap ones to play, Safehold Elite is a possibility, and Modern Masters now has Putrid Goblin which is basically Butcher Ghoul but with persist instead of undying.
Protean Hulk has been the center of most of my wins. Pattern of Rebirth is a quick way to cheat him out, but you should consider Natural Order as well since it gets the hulk out just as quickly. I see Karmic Guide , but I don't see Reveillark or Saffi Eriksdotter . I would highly recommend running at least one if not both of them. They create an endless recursion combo that lets you get everything back from your graveyard or trigger a Blood Artist effect to kill the table. Now I assume you use Leonin Relic-Warder with Karmic to go infinite. That's good, but I still say having the recursion availability to access your graveyard is a big advantage.
Anyway sorry for the super long comment. I just really like Ghave and wanted to leave some constructive criticism to help you with your deck. I generally prefer that kind of feedback myself. Hopefully this helps.
2 weeks ago
After some Games I really noticed how hard it is to get Lands in your hand. Since Niv won't ever get you some from the top of your library. Thought of the Borderposts, but I really don't like them. I made some changes for flat draws.
I often got 2-3 Selesnya cards, so I also got closer to have an even amount of cards from every guild. I need to cut one more Selesnya Card for a Gruul card, but guys, this is hard.
Things I took out:
Lim-Dul's Vault - The base idea was, use it in response to the Niv trigger. But most times no mana after he etb's, or I used it already for copy/flicker
Voidslime - Many Colored Symbols, Don't like counterspells that much, still have 1 ability counter in the deck
Hanna, Ship's Navigator - No spare mana most of the times. No Artifacts, not a critical mass of enchantments
Turn to Mist - Mistmeadow Witch is a Permanent for devotion, and repeatable
Congregation at Dawn - Like Lim Duls
Brago, King Eternal - Idea was T4 Brago, T5 Niv with flicker. Brago gets removed most of the times.
Flower / Flourish - Since it says basic, no need anymore
Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist - Needed to cut more Selesnya
Growth Spiral - Didn't have a Land very often, Urban Evolution took this slot, maybe worth it
Mortify - Orzhov Removal
Mistmeadow Witch - Upgraded Turn to mist
Underrealm Lich - "Draw" to filter for lands
Pain Magnification - Rakdos Card Advantage, Permanent for Devotion
Utter End - More Orzhov, More Removal
Wear / Tear - Good Boros Removal
Mercurial Chemister - Mostly for the Draw, is a permanent for Devotion
Urban Evolution - Draw and Ramp
Spring / Mind - Draw and Ramp, with 7 card handsize often I need to discard. Aftermath does help there
Notion Thief - Don't know why didn't put him in the first Version. Permanent, Carddraw, Stops opponents
I'm open for tips or help, but keep in Mind everything needs to be Two-Colored Landbase may get an upgrade soon. If the deck works really good I'll swap slow fetches for the good ones.
3 weeks ago
I do love Assault Suit on zugo :D
you have a really high creature count! I would put some more instant/sorcery removal in it you have the right colours for it: Utter End , Anguished Unmaking , Despark , Mortify , Vindicate , Crackling Doom (Im not recommending you put all in)
also with an indestructibly commander board wipes can be quite useful. I.E destroy everything then swing with zugo. there are so many of these in white and black.
also i like putting at least 1 alt win in each of my decks just incase someone gains a stupid amount of life. I know you have at least one with combat celibrant/auralia and helm of the host but if you wanted another Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker goes off with zelous conscripts
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Utter End occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.11%
WB (Orzhov): 1.35%
WUB (Esper): 0.79%
RBW (Mardu): 1.23%