Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

Legendary Creature — Goblin Shaman

Haste

: Put a token that's a copy of target nonlegendary creature you control onto the battlefield. That token has haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.

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Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Discussion

SynergyBuild on Funeralopolis (Marchesa, the Black Rose EDH)

22 hours ago

Also, Reanimate, Buried Alive, etc.

If you buried alive a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Pestermite/Deceiver Exarch and a Phyrexian Delver, if you reanimate the delver, to reanimate Kiki-Jiki, tap him to copy the delver, bringing back the mite/exarch, then untap Kiki-Jiki, you win the game by making infintie copies of Pestermite/Exarch.

SynergyBuild on Roon

1 day ago

There are easy turn one wins, take Grixis Twin for example, Swamp, Dark Ritual, Sol Ring, Buried Ruin, Reanimate.

That wins turn one, you fetch a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Phyrexian Delver, Pestermite, reanimate the Delver, to reanimate Kiki-Jiki, copy the delver, return the mite, Pestermite + Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to win.

The deck Grixis Twin can win a a ton of ways turn one, so can flash-hulk, and food chain tazri, etc.

You honestly gave the second worst example for a deck to win fast with Teferi, it is a stax deck, Blood Pod is a tad bit worse, it is a beatdown stax build, so even a perfect god hand might not win with it turn one.


The stax lock you gave takes way longer than turn 4 to pull off, and infinite removal won't affect storm, so I don't know why you think that stops your opponents, Winter Orb can shut off a table on its own, that is what stax is, not a combo. Tangle Wire slows down a tables tempo a ton. Smokestack might take some time, but it works, Armageddon single-handely has won many a game. Stax is about those cards, not Acidic Slime.

Armageddon, Ravages of War, Catastrophe, Cataclysm, Ruination, Decree of Annihilation (cycle it), Sphere of Resistance, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Thorn of Amethyst and the like are real stax cards. A 3 card combo that costs 11 mana (not including Palinchron's cost, it is kind of free.) isn't what turns a deck into a stax deck.


I said a control deck should run 30+ answers, none of the decks I mentions after were control, I apologize, that was on me. Control is a cEDH strategy, in the way it is in Tier 2-2.5, but I was only talking tier 1 lists, so it didn't fit there, I apologize again if I didn't mention that.


Yes, Roon is a tier 2.5 list on that tier list, I respect that entirely, you know the decklist that was mentioned there? Prison Can Roon Your Life, a stax deck, you know what cards it runs? Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Vryn Wingmare, Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of Resistance, and do you know what it doesn't run? Acidic Slime, Deadeye Navigator, Palinchron, cards like that.

Hokori and Seedborn Muse are good cards, I will give you that, honestly, my suggestions are one of two, turn the deck into Prison Can Roon Your Life, or something of similar competitiveness, like Bant Flash + Protean Hulk, or drop the "competitive" hub.

SynergyBuild on Izzet's Divide and Conquer

2 days ago

Two stax lists, a midrange list, and five combo lists, all are tier one, and this had not won a single game against them.

I understand that "Competitive is far more than rushing through the first turns for a win, it about gaining of hold of every advantage the deck offers with the given hand and draws." I started this by going over the three competitive archetypes, combo, stax and control, this lists offers about nothing to all three of those archetypes.


Your list runs no powerful combos, no stax locks, and extremely little control. Your commander synergies very little with the deck, and runs no ramp, minimal card draw, and bad countermagic.


Lets take a look at this deck considered competitive:

What can you do turn one to a random hand against Food Chain Tazri, they can turn one a Bloodstained Mire into an Underground Sea, and cast an Vampiric Tutor for a Food Chain on your end step.

The best you can do is a Tome Scour, of course this won't mill the card on top, as they did it on your end step, but whatever.

Wow, you have all of 1 card that is actually castable turn 1. Half of your non-land cards require 4+ mana to cast. Many cEDH decks require 3 or less mana to cast every spell in their deck. You run all of 0 pieces of ramp, and no efficient way to win a game against those decks cosnidering even your commander won't cheat them out until turn 8 on your curve.

That is fine though, that means you aren't a fast-paced combo build, it doesn't mean you are not competitive though, stax and control can be great decks, that win very late in the game, turn 8-20 occasionally are when they win.

Stax decks attempt to shut out their combo opponents, you opponent over with Food Chain + Eternal Scourge trying to make infinite mana? Sphere of Safety shuts them down. Try to go off with turns in Narset, Enlightened Master, Stranglehold that. Trying to beat my face in with Blood Pod, Moat that. Then I will go off with infinite flying Pestermite tokens turn 13 with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker after all of you can't do anything.

What does this deck have in terms of stax?

Well, it has War Tax, which require mana that you cannot efficiently use against a Blood Pod deck, as they will stax you out before you them, Armageddon and Ravages of War are a blowout to this deck since you don't run artifact or creature mana. Propaganda would be a better choice, despite not being good enough a choice to make this deck competitive.

Opposition and Aphetto Grifter are decent options for token builds with tons of creatures, on the upkeep of an opponent's turn, you tap down all of their lands, it is pretty good, but as this deck can't do that before it will die, they aren't very good at a competitive table.

Frozen AEther this is truely the best stax you run, it can stop some Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combos, slows down other peoples mana in terms of dorks, rocks, and lands. It is also good as it doesn't affect you, if you could run a Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault or anything to make it come down before your opponents win, then it might be useful.

Urabrask the Hidden it is a bad version of Frozen AEther, you don't need haste to combo out or anything, and it just is slow and clunk and easy to remove.

Fatespinner at least it is in your tribe, otherwise it would just occasionally deny 1 or 2 damage, any time a player needs combat, they win that turn. If they do, they you deny a card, and die immediately after, otherwise they take away a combat they wouldn't need anyway.

Orbs of Warding good card if it was a couple mana less, or you could control/stax a game to pull it off, otherwise it doesn't need to be here.

All in all, you aren't a stax deck, you run little to no good stax cards, the few you run that sees play require ramp.


Well, I guess this is a bad cEDH deck, or control. You run 21 spells that could be used as removal or countermagic, 10 that are 4 or less mana. This is awful for a control deck, unless they are Force of Will and just look like 5 mana, or you run a lot of ramp, sadly neither are true.


Again, this is not a bad deck, simply a casual one, not cEDH material. That is why your list isn't competitive, yes, I have run a spellshaper tribal Damia deck at state level play, not a tournament at state level, just a game at a grand prix side event. That deck isn't good, but it is fun. State level play means nothing. cEDH is actual competitive decks, unlike this one, playing at the upper echelons of the format, in fact, it is so different compared to normal EDH, that is it called cEDH.

This may be winning games where you play, but I have tested it, and I implore you to sit down next to some good stax and fast-paced combo players, against $5600 The Gitrog Monster builds, $6000 General Tazri builds, $5000 Teferi, Temporal Archmage builds, and tell me this deck will win a game against them.

You are wrong, not based on my own opinion, but with playtesting a deck that supposedly wins by turn 10 at the slowest, goldfishing it.

I have yet to see another deck in ALL OF CEDH, that goldfishes a win, or complete stax lock down past turn 6, ever.


Your deck is misleading by using the hub "competitive", all I want is for you to remove it.

Sakaerion on Manataur

2 days ago

Thanks for the suggestions! Yeah, I had Hellkite Charger in here in the past, was really disappointed when I saw the flaw in that combo. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is a good card, and probably a great include in the non-budget version, but he's a little pricey for this build, and when you don't have Combat Celebrant and the others to go infinite with either, he's a bit less potent. That said, I think all three of those cards are great includes in the non-budget version.

Spirits on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

2 days ago

Hi UR2L8,

I've been happy with my Demonlord Belzenlok, I don't tutor him so don't see him that often, but as a 6/6 Flample draw, he is a permanent in my build now.

Demanding Dragon if he was a choose one, I would like him, the problem arises, they will only pay the 5 life when your really need to get a creature, and just not pay if they have unimportant creatures/tokens, or no creatures. So never will get their life when it makes a difference, and will never get a creature that makes a difference.

Can't see him displacing a Rakdos the Defiler, Reveillark or Thundermaw Hellkite.

Lately I've been missing Gamble as well, especially in the opening hand. I was thinking of Gamble tutor the Reanimate that way if it makes me discard an A/D/D I'm in nice shape, if it makes me discard the Reanimate means I'll have to pull Yawgmoth's Will or Animate Dead later. It could also replace Damnation, I haven't cast it in a while, but I like knowing when I need it I can tutor it, although maybe it should be a Merciless Eviction to give me some Modular options other than destroy/no regenerate. Faithless Looting is also out again, and I know I will get burned with a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker in hand again and need to put it back in.

I don't want to go down an A/D/D either because I worked my way back up to this amount, because I found myself, on occasion, having a Kaalia of the Vast swing without a free A/D/D and that is bad, need to limit that as much as possible. Some games I have too many A/D/D some games short. Difficult to balance.

SynergyBuild on Beware the Shrubbery (Competitive Lands Matter)

3 days ago

Before I get started, I recommend Autumn's Veil, Pyroblast and Red Elemental Blast as good ways to protect combo-turns from countermagic!

Well, I have always been a fan of lands-matter builds, you know The Gitrog Monster or Tatyova, Benthic Druid, fast-paced combo decks with large amounts of card draw and speed.

Tatyova, Benthic Druid supports lands on the battlefield, The Gitrog Monster supports them in the graveyard, and with Borborygmos Enraged we now have a commander in good colors that supports lands in your hand. Well, almost.

Tatyova, Benthic Druid and The Gitrog Monster support your lands by drawing you cards, which is a very valueable commodity for decks that run a ton of lands, as lands give mana, but not exactly card draw, the two most important resources. Borborygmos Enraged is a tad different, instead it pumps out Lightning Bolts!. This makes it great removal in a competitive scene with a lot of dorks and hatebears if you have the lands to support him blowing everything up, and he can be used to win given enough lands.

Instead of being a commander that cycles through your deck, you are now running a commander that is a win condition if you can cycle through your deck, while also eliminating pesky Spirit of the Labyrinths and Notion Thiefs occasionally. This is not worse by itself, just different to the other "land-storm" strategies that have existed before.

Well then, if you are in colors that make it easy to cycle through your deck, it shouldn't be a problem to pull this off. This would work if you were in or , however you are not, you are in . This will make it harder to make this kind of deck viable, except wait! You aren't a landstorm deck, you are a combo deck that is running Keen Sense and Snake Umbra, which will allow you to turn your commander into a drawing machine!

Okay, then there is a very clear deck in the meta to compare it to, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, a powerful Tier 2 list, running Curiosity and Ophidian Eye, which can allow for the commander to deal damage, drawing a card, dealing damage, and so forth, and with the commander costing 4 devotion like this one, it would make sense to compare them, even the enchantments costs are the same!

On the side of Borborygmos the enraged, he is in green and so has tons of ramp, along with being a allied color to red, so there is better lands for him, and also has access to land destruction and some better stax effects.

On the side of Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, she is 2 mana less, has blue, which allows access to much better card draw, has Tandem Lookout and Mind Over Matter as well, and so has a couple more options than green for combo-pieces, and also has a commander that can draw cards (getting closer to the combo) than Borborygmos Enraged. It has better tutoring options, as Long-Term Plans, Intuition, Dizzy Spell, etc. It has better interaction in the form of countermagic and removal (Chain of Vapor, Cyclonic Rift, Pongify etc.). This is all good and everything, but what Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind truely has over Borborygmos the enraged is that she can win without being lucky on the draw (doesn't need to find a land to trigger again), and can run a 30-land landbase instead of a 42-land landbase to be consistent.

With all of that stacked against Borborygmos the enraged, does that mean he isn't a competitive commander? Not nessecarily, I personally believe every commander could be competitive. No, I think this deck has taken what Borborygmos the enraged is trying to do incorrectly.

I have been working on a primer for making any commander competitive, Why Every Commander is Competitive, and when I looked through the advice I would give others, I would turn this list into a stax list, you run a couple stax cards, like Destructive Force and Wildfire, and I think it is something that this list should do much much more of.

Imagine if instead of this combo-oriented list (which I hope I have explained why it isn't competitive as a land-storm/combo build at this point), was instead a stax build. You ramp into a Ruination, drop a Trinisphere, and your opponents have nothing. Null Rod there artifact mana, Cursed Totem there dorks, and ramp basic lands to win. Blood Moon them, Magus of the Moon them (tutorable via Imperial Recruiter), and eventually, once you have run all of your opponents out of gas, you plop your commander, and play out a Storm Cauldron, taking everyone down in a turn or two. Maybe you run a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts combo in the list as a backup.

A deck like that doesn't sound like a deck like The Gitrog Monster or Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, and I promise it is a competitive list. If it sounds like the commander isn't necessary, you wouldn't be wrong. I could build it with Jerrard of the Closed Fist minus the Storm Cauldron part, and it would do about as well.

See Gruul Stax (WECIC) for what I am talking about! That list is a tad different though, it runs dorks and no Cursed Totem, because green dorks are really fast mana.


I want to apologize if it sounds like I am ramming your deck, this is simply what I see. If you would rather me not criticize your list or suggest improvements, I won't do it any more, just say it.

skroes on Manataur

4 days ago

If you want to make it a little more competitive, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker can go potentially infinite with Combat Celebrant and Zealous Conscripts. Neheb can also go infinite with Hellkite Charger similar to Aggravated Assault.

Makyran on Vaevictis Asmadi, The Dire+ Combat ...

5 days ago

I wonder if this works. Normally it's harder to get infinite combat steps with the Combat Celebrant because of his clause! However, the way I do this should get around it in a similar way to Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. How I do this is exerting and attackning with my commander. I then choose to sacc the Combat Celebrant and send it to the yard as part of Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire ability. As all the targets hit the yard, I retain priority and put Combat Celebrant back on top with Hua Tuo, Honored Physician and end up putting him back on the field. I now have a new instance of Combat Celebrant so I can repeat this as long as I have haste to attack again!

Any help is greatly appriciated!

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