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|Tempest Remastered (TPR)||Mythic Rare|
|From the Vault: Relics (V10)||Mythic Rare|
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If Mox Diamond would enter the battlefield, you may discard a land card instead. If you do, put Mox Diamond onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
Mox Diamond Discussion
12 hours ago
SynergyBuild: Yeah, turn 2 Runic Armasaur is usually something I try to go for the moment it presents itself. My issue comes from when I have multiple tutors or pieces of a line I would like to start. Once you exile something, the deck has 0 ways to to retrieve it, so it has to be a piece that has an equivalent. Somberwald Stag is one of those cards I always pitch to chrome thanks to Blighted Woodland keeping that window open. Sometimes I'm stumped on what to remove like interaction, combo dork, or tutor. I end up not using the chrome and I know that is poor decision making.
As for Mox Diamond , this one has been easier as you said. I never have a problem determining what to pitch to it.
13 hours ago
Soren841: What are the other 2, if you don't mind me asking? Also, I am glad your suggestions aren't half-assed and that some thought are actually put into them. If it wasn't for you and SynergyBuild I wouldn't have Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond in the deck and they've been great for the most part.
Side Note: I need to get way better at assessing what to remove from the game for chrome. Any suggestions there? I've been told to not fret over removing a piece of a combo you don't plan on winning with any time soon, but I get cold feet every time. I don't like outright eliminating an avenue for winning for the sake of tempo.
1 day ago
I was thinking about my Reveillark alternative win-con's,
Hatred is CMC5 () and just needs Kaalia of the Vast but also likes guys like Baneslayer Angel , Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , Gisela, the Broken Blade , Lyra Dawnbringer , Serra Ascendant or Whip of Erebos .
Was thinking, it's a different win-con (only 1 player too in some cases), but other than being high CMC, would allow me to cheat in an A/D/D and Commander Damage kill a player if left unblocked as well (Instant speed).
Combat Celebrant is enticing because of his CMC3 (), other than his obvious Exert ability which can land 2 A/D/D in 1 turn, do some mass damage with someone like Balefire Dragon or Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , but his real power is that he doesn't need the sac outlet.
Potentially a win-con with someone like, Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Demonlord Belzenlok , Doom Whisperer , Hellkite Tyrant , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Etc. unless there is something large enough to block the Trample indefinitely. Doesn't matter if Combat Celebrant is blocked, just making the copy, allows for the next attack to occur. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker never gets in harms way.
I'm sure there are more ways to abuse him, Splinter Twin obviously, which doesn't work with Buried Alive but can replace Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker in most/all? combos too. could tutor Splinter Twin pretty easily. Idyllic Tutor for example could also pull me an Animate Dead etc, feel there could be some good build out around Combat Celebrant for combos, and just his natural talent when attacking with large A/D/D.
Adarkar Valkyrie also gave me:
I just found neither Adarkar Valkyrie or Aurelia, the Warleader properly ETB triggered with Kaalia of the Vast , and I was never tutoring either of them because they aren't that impactful, so ended up removing Adarkar Valkyrie and then later Aurelia, the Warleader to focus more on the primary win-con with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Restoration Angel .
Crucible of Worlds more inline with a classic Kaalia of the Vast , which the Infinite Combat phases + Land Destruction is part of the reason (as well to a degree the amount of hate Kaalia of the Vast receives as a commander), is why she fell to Tier 3, from Tier 2.5 previously. If I have a Grand Abolisher I don't care, but if I don't, sometimes there is surprise when they have 40 life and think they are unkillable by Kaalia of the Vast and leave themselves open and I can swoop in on T4 with the Restoration Angel horde!
It's been a long time since I needed to resort to Reveillark , either I've won, or someone else has combo'd before I really get to a point of attempting a Reveillark win. Combat Celebrant , I feel like I could also use, Entomb / Gamble , example:
Entomb > Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Mausoleum Secrets > Reanimate . With a Combat Celebrant and anything to attack with, I'm good to go. ( Entomb makes Mausoleum Secrets more valuable to me too). He also doesn't get haste from Dragon Tempest either, so that's another negative.
He can't really Turn 1 so that's kinda why I was thinking more along the lines of Hatred even without augmenting the Lifelink. Life also fuels my speed, Draw/Mana/Tutor, so not sure of the impact to my game post Hatred .
Dark Ritual , Simian Spirit Guide , Mox Diamond all increase T1 potential, but I always worry about, outside of T1 do they have much value. Dark Ritual can cast a Necropotence so it has some benefit and with other cards Buried Alive + Reanimate .
My current challenge is Faithless Looting , I think it needs to go back in, have to decide what to remove. In games where I draw my Karmic Guide or Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker I'm usually like T9 because I have to actually cast them and at CMC5, it's just not realistic with the other costs ( Buried Alive CMC3 and Reanimate CMC1) thats, CMC9, never going to happen. A Faithless Looting makes it CMC5 only. Faithless Looting also has some nice synergies if I don't have an A/D/D in my hand and Kaalia of the Vast is ready to go.
I agree, when is a deck every truly complete. Ever time I play I learn something new about my deck, or a Razaketh, the Foulblooded comes a long and takes over top dog spot in my decklist, and makes Griselbrand being Griselbanned a little easier to take.
1 day ago
You might be right about Mox Diamond being a dead draw after turn 5, I didn't think about that. I'll still give it a shot and see how it plays out. I haven't given this deck a test run yet. I been focusing more on a few other decks that I been trying to complete. It almost feels like a never ending battle. I don't think one can really say "this deck is complete" but more like "I'm currently satisfied with this build" ha!
Hatred I dont want to go as far as to say this card is an auto include in everything black, but its almost damn near close to be. I feel it can be a great political card, as in, Make truths with someone for a round (you don't touch me, I wont touch you) to eliminate a bigger threat at the table. Regardless if its Regular or Commander Damage but then you can combine that with Combat Celebrant Maybe put Hatred on Kaalia of the Vast
I also feel it's starting to get a little iffy here. Are you trying to get an alternative win con? Combat Celebrant is a damn nice card (I have it and was actually waiting for you to post some test run results about it) but I feel if you're going to play that card, you gotta somehow be ready to win because you're going to be the target when the table goes around and if you're not ready to win, hopefully you have some support to untap it or protect it the next go around.
But again, if you aren't playing Aurelia, the Warleader then why play Combat Celebrant Is it the lower CMC cost that Combat Celebrant carries? But then you can argue, Aurelia, the Warleader technically can cost nothing if you cheat it out with Kaalia of the Vast granite you'll have to wait a turn for that combat trigger. I really don't know what to that because I dont know how you're going to go about it. Maybe my thought process of playing it is completely different than your way? who knows, I can also be over thinking all this, hahaha which is a bad habit of mine.
Crucible of Worlds works great in conjunction with fetch lands. Definitely can get to hard casting those A'D'D but I feel it will also slow down the tempo of your current build. Sure you can tutor it but is that tutor taking away from a more crucial card that will end the game sooner?
I feel Crucible of Worlds would work better in a stax build. Using Ghost Quarter , Wasteland then the support of Ravages of War , Armageddon etc...Throw in all your talisman and signets along with Winter Orb , Orb of Dreams , Mana Vault , Mox Opal , Thorn of Amethyst Paradox Engine and especially Inspiring Statuary plus so much more.
For me, it starts taking on a different build adding Crucible of Worlds which can also be fun but I dont know man, Kaalia of the Vast there are a few different builds you can make with her. Its nice to hear opinions from other people because everyones perspective is different but the only real way is to just throw it in and try it out? It might work or it might not.
1 day ago
Applying the formula in the Superior Numbers - Land Counts Article by Nate Burgess.
Number of lands = 31 + amount of colors in commander’s color identity + commander CMC, with 0-CMC mana rocks counting as lands.
31 + 2 () + 5 () = 38 lands
1 day ago
Woaah! that's a lot of information!!
Thank you , as you said, i don't have a Mana Crypt , Chrome Mox , Mox Diamond or Mox Opal , i re-joined to MTG in August last Year since Planeshift in 2001, so i'm starting to filling my pool of cards time to time, eventually i'm gonna get them!
I saw your deck and it looks amazing, you really want to cheat all the cost and it looks like you manage to do it! maybe this deck will eventually rotate to something like that, but so far i'm not looking for big local tournaments, i'm on a casual League with my local store and we mostly have a LOT of Fun, there's a lot of cool decks and no one played before Yennett, so i'm primer hahaha
I'm gonna put the cards you name it in a big consideration! Thank you a lot!
2 days ago
Helm of Obedience + Rest in Peace is definitely a viable combo. I'm running graveyard recursion as my primary win-con, so doesn't work in my build, they would just either contradict what I was doing, or be dead draws. Also, no point in having 2 (you definitely want an alt. win-con, but not one that draws dead. If you take out the graveyard recursion, I'm not sure what type of build would be best, but something that benefits/synergy with the other pieces for that win-con.
Hi weezel, I might just not play him. I don't have a Mox Diamond so haven't been able to test it, and a little pricey to just buy if I'm not sure it will make the deck. I've tried proxy testing it a bit when I can, I still can't decide if the faster mana (it removes a mana too, if it was any card would be an include, because it's a land, its tougher) is worth it. It nets more mana if played Turn1 then let's say causing you to miss the Turn3 land drop. However, on turn 5 when you draw it, it's probably a dread draw.
Gamble is good, any 1 mana tutor is great. Better than Diabolic Tutor . It would be better in a more graveyard recursion, or a way to pull cards from graveyard, but it's still a CMC1 tutor that has a high probability of pulling the card you need, think if you tutor Reanimate and it happens to discard Iona, Shield of Emeria that's still ok! Just don't want to lose the reanimate, because then your tutoring a Yawgmoth's Will or Animate Dead .
I like Fellwar Stone better than the Boros Signet because it's CMC1, but its a little random too. Probably if I had a Mox Diamond i would play that over the Fellwar Stone . Hoping they print the supporting color Talisman of Indulgence . I'll give Mishra's Bauble a try, I really dislike the delay on the draw, and not sure how useful looking at my? library will be, don't have much to scry it away, but could be a look before a fetch land. It's not bad though, if it draws into an instant tutor like Vampiric Tutor thats nice because then can use it on opponents turn. Excellent Suggestion.
2 days ago
I completely agree, The importance of automatic card draw is key to any game, drawing through your deck for those win cons. You have an interesting build; I wanted to try it out, So I was putting it together and The only 2 card I didn't have on hand was Doom Whisperer . Which is why I mentioned Indulgent Tormentor , I felt it was the only next similar card despite its drawbacks(uncertainty/randomness) and Grim Tutor which I replaced with Diabolic Tutor and threw in an Ancient Tomb to make up for that extra CMC cost it adds. I'm considering taking out Diabolic Tutor and adding in Gamble instead. Still unsure if I'd like to gamble with my hand.
The other difference I made was adding Mox Diamond in place of Fellwar Stone . Is having your lands more important, Would it be crucial to discard one? I feel Fellwar Stone is situational, well not situational I guess more of a sideboard card along with Mox Diamond . They Can both be sideboard cards, They can both easily be added in before the game if you're knowing who you're up against.
Another consideration I'm thinking was Mishra's Bauble . You mentioned why play 99 commander when you can play 98. Well why play 98 when you can play 97? I know Street Wraith Synergizes with Mausoleum Secrets and Mishra's Bauble doesn't really have any synergy but It gets you that card draw for 0. You can sync it with a tutor such as Vampiric Tutor or Imperial Seal . What are your thoughts about that? I appreciate the reply by the way, very detailed and the explanations you give for your reasons, puts it all into perspective.
Mox Diamond occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0,46%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0,08%
W/U/B (Esper): 0,48%