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Mana Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay . If you do, untap Mana Vault.
At the beginning of your draw step, if Mana Vault is tapped, it deals 1 damage to you.
: Gain .
Mana Vault Discussion
4 hours ago
As a general rule you need around 50 mana sources in a deck in the form of lands, ramp, mana rocks or Llanowar Elves type dorks. Since I counted 38 total in your deck, I'm worried about mana screw same as Nesmer2. I have an artifact deck with 33 lands but that one runs 10+ low-costed mana rocks which are missing here. Granted there are decks with even lower lands but those are cEDH yolo lists that aim to T1/2/3 win with combos and also run stuff like Mana Crypt , Mana Vault etc.
The PW deck Dovin is somewhat OK but very overcosted. Personally I don't like Sunbond , Cradle of Vitality and Disenchant . For the last one I prefer Return to Dust , but you can run stuff like Vindicate , Anguished Unmaking or Utter End (those can upgrade the Mortify too).
Since you are running quite a few creatures Whip of Erebos would be nice synergy with lifegain and it also offers some form of reccursion, albeit one-time use.
Hope these suggestings are useful to you, mate. Cheers!
1 day ago
Other cards in white that deal damage to you are rare, but some colorless cards exist for the job, here all of the ones that come to mind:
The white part of the Odyssey utility threshold lands: Nomad Stadium
Staff of Nin xDD to deal damage to you!
Ankh of Mishra would be amazing!
Off of that staff one I though of Blasting Station ... there is some infinite combo there, right?
Jinxed Idol might not be so jinxed after all!
Ancient Tomb is amazing as well.
That is all I have for that... now for some finishers once you have the life/token engine going!
Anointed Procession for more fun?
Divine Visitation too...
Slate of Ancestry on that note.
That's all I got... other than random anthem effects like Dictate of Heliod , but that would be too weak IMO.
1 day ago
If you really want to take this deck to the next level then you need all of the fast mana and tutors: Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Grim Monolith , Mox Diamond , Mox Opal , Chrome Mox , Mox Amber , Talisman of Indulgence , Lotus Petal , Dark Ritual , Cabal Ritual , Pyretic Ritual , Desperate Ritual , Rite of Flame , Culling the Weak , Infernal Plunge , Lake of the Dead , Bubbling Muck , Rain of Filth , Grim Tutor , Imperial Seal , Vampiric Tutor and Diabolic Intent .
Rakdos is also the color combination you need for Worldgorger Dragon + Dance of the Dead , Animate Dead or Necromancy infinite combo. Use Buried Alive or Entomb to pitch one of the Kiki combos or to pitch the dragon and then use one of the enchantments to start the combo. Be sure with Dragon combo to have another creature in the GY or you draw the game with an uninterruptible infinite combo. Other cards that help these combos are Victimize and Final Parting .
3 days ago
TheNocholas hi! I'm using Teferi, Temporal Archmage to untap my nonbsik lands, Mana Vault , Gilded Lotus to generate mana. On turn 4 if I have 3 lands (2 islands) and Mana Vault i can play Teferi, Temporal Archmage + Gilded Lotus and on turn 5 I have about 18-19 mana, which can be spent on cast: Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur / Iona, Shield of Emeria / Void Winnower / Consecrated Sphinx / Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite / Blatant Thievery / Expropriate / Time Stretch / Rite of Replication with Kicker / or simple Planar Bridge . I think it is strong for turn 5. There is also an strong synergy between Blinkmoth Well and Winter Orb / Static Orb . At the end of the opponent's turn I can use it to tap Stax-artifacts and untap all my lands.
6 days ago
You might be right about Mox Diamond being a dead draw after turn 5, I didn't think about that. I'll still give it a shot and see how it plays out. I haven't given this deck a test run yet. I been focusing more on a few other decks that I been trying to complete. It almost feels like a never ending battle. I don't think one can really say "this deck is complete" but more like "I'm currently satisfied with this build" ha!
Hatred I dont want to go as far as to say this card is an auto include in everything black, but its almost damn near close to be. I feel it can be a great political card, as in, Make truths with someone for a round (you don't touch me, I wont touch you) to eliminate a bigger threat at the table. Regardless if its Regular or Commander Damage but then you can combine that with Combat Celebrant Maybe put Hatred on Kaalia of the Vast
I also feel it's starting to get a little iffy here. Are you trying to get an alternative win con? Combat Celebrant is a damn nice card (I have it and was actually waiting for you to post some test run results about it) but I feel if you're going to play that card, you gotta somehow be ready to win because you're going to be the target when the table goes around and if you're not ready to win, hopefully you have some support to untap it or protect it the next go around.
But again, if you aren't playing Aurelia, the Warleader then why play Combat Celebrant Is it the lower CMC cost that Combat Celebrant carries? But then you can argue, Aurelia, the Warleader technically can cost nothing if you cheat it out with Kaalia of the Vast granite you'll have to wait a turn for that combat trigger. I really don't know what to that because I dont know how you're going to go about it. Maybe my thought process of playing it is completely different than your way? who knows, I can also be over thinking all this, hahaha which is a bad habit of mine.
Crucible of Worlds works great in conjunction with fetch lands. Definitely can get to hard casting those A'D'D but I feel it will also slow down the tempo of your current build. Sure you can tutor it but is that tutor taking away from a more crucial card that will end the game sooner?
I feel Crucible of Worlds would work better in a stax build. Using Ghost Quarter , Wasteland then the support of Ravages of War , Armageddon etc...Throw in all your talisman and signets along with Winter Orb , Orb of Dreams , Mana Vault , Mox Opal , Thorn of Amethyst Paradox Engine and especially Inspiring Statuary plus so much more.
For me, it starts taking on a different build adding Crucible of Worlds which can also be fun but I dont know man, Kaalia of the Vast there are a few different builds you can make with her. Its nice to hear opinions from other people because everyones perspective is different but the only real way is to just throw it in and try it out? It might work or it might not.
1 week ago
Hey Ripwater! Thanks for the kind words. I've been playing Karlov since he was released back in Commander 2015. I've spend the last four years tweaking this deck and editing it, and as you can see from my edit history I still make edits when need be. Let me kind of explain my thought process behind why this deck is the way it is. I've been meaning to put this in yhe description of the deck but I just haven't yet. Then let me give you my thoughts on the cards you suggested to me. Here it goes:
Ever since I got big into magic back in RTR I've loved Orzhov and Life Gain strategies. Up until 2015 I spent a majority of my time playing MTG and hearing about how life gain is a bad strategy. Then Karlov was spoiled and my Obzedat, Ghost Council deck was forever changed! I of course looked at Karlov and thought Voltron. Honestly, who doesn't? Here's one of my problems though, I hate Voltron. I just do. My other problem was that V oltron ISN'T life gain. Yes you're adding life gain to the deck to make Karlov beefy, but you aren't gaining life for the purpose of winning. Celestial Convergence , Felidar Sovereign , and Test of Endurance are all ways I win with life gain. Yes this deck runs Aetherflux Reservoir , and I'd be lying if I said I didn't win with Karlov. Plus I'd be stupid not to try and win with him. That's why I run Rogue's Passage , and Elspeth, Knight-Errant . One makes him unblockable and the other makes him a huge flying boy. I'd also be lying if I said that the orginal version of this deck was good. I first made this deck when I fourteen years old. I didn't know much about previous magic cards. I didn't research cards all that much. The first draft of this deck was AWFUL. It wasn't until about a year after I built the first draft and play tested it and made a ton of changes that this deck kicked ass. I started sitting down at tables in gamestores and have people laugh or scoff of me when I told them it was a life gain deck. Then I'd leave them stunned after I won. In conclusion, Voltron isn't my style and wasn't what I wanted to create when I started building this deck. I wanted to make a Business Casual life gain deck what could win consistently and effectively, and I think that's what I've done. Even if Karlov isn't on the field. I can win. If he is on the field and I can't attack with him I can exile creatures. Karlov is only a resource in this deck. Not the centerpiece.
As for Your suggestions. These cards aren't bad suggestions and may find a way into the deck: Contemplation , Tablet of the Guilds , Archangel of Thune , and Ajani, Caller of the Pride . My only problem is that I have a hard time cutting things from this deck haha. It took me three days to finally decide my last batch of cuts! Let me explain why I dislike the other suggestions.
Let me start with Elspeth, Sun's Champion . Elspeth is my favorite planeswalker, and this card specifically is my favorite planeswalker card ever printed. The original version of this deck actually ran Sun's Champion; however, I found that Elspeth, Knight-Errant 's two plus ones were so much more useful. Making one dude isn't nearly as good as making three, but it can still trigger Soul Warden , Soul's Attendant , Suture Priest , and Auriok Champion . Her other plus one works amazing with Karlov, but also works well with creatures like Serra Ascendant and Divinity of Pride . Nine times out of ten you won't get a Planeswalker's ultimate off, so honestly all the ultimate abilites of the planeswalkers I use are irrelavent. Another thing is that Sun's Champion minus ability had the potential to kill large bombs like Karlov and Serra Ascendant .
I feel like Sunscorch Regent costs to much for an ability that doesn't do much for the deck. There are better turn five plays. This card just isn't that good. I probably would've played this when I was on a budget four years ago.
The fact that Flickering Ward flickers back to your hand is cool, but mono colored EDH decks aren't the most common thing and the fact that this can't be casted at instant speed makes it not worth my time. Yes multicolored cards still cant target whatever creature has this enchantment attached to it, but there are plently of ways to get around this card. There are also other, better one drops I'd rather play in this deck
Lastly we have Whispersilk Cloak this card is decent, but as I said, Karlov isn't the main focus of this deck. I ran this card for a brief period about two years ago, but ultimately cut it for Mana Vault . Whispersilk just wasn't doing what I needed it to do, and the only creature I found it useful on was Karlov.
Once again I thank you for your suggestions, and if I do end up adding the cards I liked from your suggestions making cuts will be very hard! Also thank you for the engaging comment, and for the upvote. My opinion on your deck is this: I personally think it could use more tuning, but it's a grrat start. Here's the other thing I have to say, it's not my deck. It's yours. You built it. If you like it then good. What I think is irrelevant. There's no right or wrong way to build your deck. Voltorn is your deck's main style, and mine is using Life Gain to win. We all have our own ways to play, so as long as you enjoy your deck that's what matters!
1 week ago
Thank you darkone8 so much for the suggestions. I agree with dropping the Whispersilk Cloak and Approach of the Second Sun . The switching out of Man-o'-War for Reflector Mage is way better value. As for Mana Vault , Enlightened Tutor , and Static Orb ill have to add them to the deck at a later time.
1 week ago
Mana Vault occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.16%
U/R (Izzet): 0.59%
W/U (Azorius): 1.18%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.66%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.71%