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Mana Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay . If you do, untap Mana Vault.
At the beginning of your draw step, if Mana Vault is tapped, it deals 1 damage to you.
: Gain .
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Mana Vault Discussion
1 week ago
I am no competitive EDH player, but from what i can see a good start may be removing the 3cmc mana rocks that you are running with cheaper ones: Talisman of Creativity , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone are some you might want to consider. In cEDH are played a lot less lands than normal in favor of very cheap mana rocks like Mana Vault , Mana Crypt and Mox Opal .
Also if you really want to be competitive you surely will run all the cheap counters like Force of Will or Pact of Negation and also you will have to remove all the lands that enters the battlefield tapped with off-color fetches or with utility lands.
I do not know how much competitive you want your deck to be, but if you are a returning player and do not know about https://edhrec.com you want to check it out.
Hope to have helped.
1 week ago
In reality neither. They aren't really making or breaking anyone.
2 weeks ago
First of all this an opinion poll. There is no right or wrong answer here. The point of this poll is not to get any card banned, but to ask the question, "which is arguably more problematic in the EDH format?"
Lets say as a wild scenario you were nominated and forced to ban one of the following sets of cards in EDH:
If you pick Sol Ring then the cards Sol Ring , Mana Crypt and Mana Vault will be banned in Commander. If you pick Demonic Tutor then the cards Demonic Tutor , Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal will be banned in Commander. You must pick one of the two sets of cards even if you think neither (or both) should be banned. What would be your decision and why? Do you think your decision would be more biased due to the decks you play or the decks you play against? Please keep opinions respectful, thank you.
2 weeks ago
I can make Skittles a competitive aggro-stax build. Basically in most situations, Skittles can take over a game if everyone is on low resources, base removal often can't hurt Skittles, due to the regeneration, and it 3-shots people, with any extra pump it can 2 or 1 shot them as well.
Devotion seems relatively weak, due to the minimal payoffs, as well I believe that budget would be a concern, as adding cards like Mana Vault that lead to turn 2 Skittles also cost a lot of money.
2 weeks ago
Tzefick: I'm kind of confused here, what are you trying to say? Which cards are you talking about?
And yes, youv'e listed a bunch of cards that already exist and provide some level of pseudo ramp or provide card advantage. So again, I'm confused. What is the point you're trying to make here?
Some cards like Sun Titan can bring back fetchlands sure, however that is a nice side function of the card. But trying to build a card which specifically brings back lands not only seems very green and not white, but also means that players need to have a bunch of fetchlands in their deck, thuis making it unusable for the majority of casual players whose budget doesn't facilitate the cards.
And if you make it cheap enough, legcay D&T would love that since they can abuse the crap out of Wasteland .
again, white is not good at card advantage or ramp, but that is by design. But it can suppliment this by running artifacts which is what it does. That's the point of artifacts - they are good at filling in gaps, albeit at a higher cost.
So when you combine this whit hte little ramp that white has, you actually have a playable amount available:
Sol Ring , Mana Vault , Mana Crypt , Grim Monolith , Arcane Signet , Thought Vessel , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , Marble Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Wayfarer's Bauble , Knight of the White Orchid , Mox Diamond , Chrome Mox , Lotus Petal , Pearl Medallion and that's without going above 2 mana. No, some of these are not the best ramp, but that's how it works.
And white has decent tutoring whern it comes to equipment. I don't see why they need a bunch more unconditional draw power.
So, let's put this back on you for a second since you're the one who believes there's an issue. Assuming you would need say 10 different white ramp/draw cards to offset the cards already available. Try coming up with the 10 cards that aren't just functional reprints (think Nature's Lore vs Three Visits ) and that wont break other formats, but are still fair for both casual and competitive commander as well as the other eternal formats.
3 weeks ago
Seems kind of underpowered, even for a budget deck. Obviously, your Mana base wouldn't be great to begin with in a budget deck, but you lack ramp and card draw, both of which are essential to decks in EDH, especially in White. Whilst I profoundly disagree with the argument that White isn't very good on its own in EDH, it does have many problems in budget decks. I'd recommend you to filter out cards that are seemingly purposeless such as Wall of Omens or Eight-and-a-Half-Tails .
Furthermore, I find that your removal is barely acceptable considering that you're playing mono-White. Since you don't really have an aggro strategy, consider adding cards such as Land Tax , Smothering Tithe , Norn's Annex , Moat , et cetera. Maybe try to lean into a Proliferate strategy.
Cards such as Academy Rector , Karn Liberated Gideon, Ally of Zendikar and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon would greatly benefit your neutral game. Consider adding Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , Pearl Medallion , Enlightened Tutor and Sword of Truth and Justice for general play as well. DEFINITELY add Thran Dynamo , Mana Crypt , Thran Temporal Gateway , Mana Vault and Metalworker to the deck as your ramp is not very good.
All in all, your concept for this deck seems interesting but lacks focus. I struggle to see how you could make a Superfriends deck on a budget, but keep on trying and you'll get there eventually.
P.S: I forgot to add Scroll Rack .
3 weeks ago
thom-le Thank you so much for your advice. About the solutions you proposed:
- Doomsday - I agree: this is an interesting solution, and I thought it over before that. I want to make two independent, and preferably 3 strategies, to win with Doomsday within the same deck.
- Ashiok, Dream Render - Yes, this is certainly a powerful card that harms my opponents, but it does not directly benefit me. Especially under the condition that I have nothing to protect him from a simple attack by creatures.
- Talrand, Sky Summoner and Murmuring Mystic - n my opinion, these cards are too heavy and I can not afford to play them in the early game, leaving myself without mana available. And in the late game, they do not correlate with my possible winning combinations.
- Tomebound Lich and Baleful Strix - these are good cards, but not both on the same sheet. I think Baleful Strix is better, since it flies, and Tomebound Lich in any case would remain only as a blocking creature. I’m thinking about adding.
1 month ago
Small group of players is just that. We are talking about a cross section of players who want to play commander, in mono-white, generally casual based, who want to play without runnign a bunch of stax, who want to play white heavy (i.e. without a lot of artifact support).
As for advocating for colourless solutions to fix White's issues, there are already a lot of options. Between new cards like Endless Atlas , Arcane Encyclopedia as well as classics like Skullclamp (since white has no problem with tokens), Staff of Domination , Mind's Eye and others, there is sufficient draw. And on the topic of ramp, there are a lot of really good artifacts that can be run in any colour. And I haven't even touched on all of the white cards that integrate well with artifacts.
The cards already exist in this context, the issue is that generally the players that are complaining about the lack of ramp in white are also the players not running these cards, or not running them in the quantities that they should.
All I can say to this is that you and I have very different experiences with this format. That cross section of players encompasses everyone that I've ever played commander with. Even randoms at the shop. Even if they don't want to play that specifically, they believe it should be viable, which as of current, it is not.
The listed cards are indeed steps in the right direction, and help somewhat. But no, to address the last part, White decks that run Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Sol Ring , Skullclamp , Mind's Eye , etc. and White artifact interaction effects, still fall behind. They still draw fewer cards, get less mana, and win fewer games.
Our experiences clearly differ on this matter. But the only thing close to hard data I've seen on this format shows pretty clear indication that white has a problem.
Edit: Also to address this,
And as it stands, there are no cards which are legal in commander only.
Mana Vault occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.16%
UR (Izzet): 0.59%
WU (Azorius): 1.18%
WUB (Esper): 0.66%
UBR (Grixis): 0.71%