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|Eternal Masters (EMA)||Rare|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Rare|
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As an additional cost to cast Toxic Deluge, pay X life.
All creatures get -X/-X until end of turn.
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Toxic Deluge Discussion
1 week ago
Why do you run Talisman of Impulse over Talisman of Indulgence? Seems like you use black a lot more than green. Also, Opt, Sleight of Hand, Serum Visions, Night's Whisper, Mox Amber, Pact of Negation, and Snap seem like a weird picks here. Opt, Sleight of Hand, Serum Visions, and Night's Whisper are sub-par draw spells that, outside of the Doomsday lines, have no real place here because they they tend to slow down the deck too much during storm turns, especially in the case of Serum Visions. Mox Amber is straight garbage here, as the only two legendary colored permanents you have in the deck are Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder, and Baral, Chief of Compliance. Pact of Negation is a terrible counterspell in this deck, as during cascade turns you want to get maximum value and reliability off of the 0 CMC slot, which is why the deck normally runs value cards like Ancestral Vision, Wheel of Fate, and Mana Crypt. Snap seems like an odd inclusion unless your meta runs a lot of hatebears, and even in that case there are much better removal spells such as Toxic Deluge.
1 week ago
1 week ago
SynergyBuild, thanks for the thoughtful recommendations! There's no denying that the Triskelion and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed combo is useful, and would fit nicely into this deck, but I already have it in another one of my more competitive decks. I wanted this one to be pretty casual for the most part, which is also why I avoided putting too many tutoring cards in there.
As for the 0-drops such as Memnite, Shield Sphere, Ornithopter, etc.: I'd rather focus on creatures that can generate tokens like Abhorrent Overlord, Sifter of Skulls, and Sengir Autocrat for the sac bait. Since CMC isn't an issue for Whisper, Blood Liturgist's ability, there'd be no point to include the 0-drops that would only be worth a single sacrifice, and not necessarily be worth bringing back with Whisper, Blood Liturgist to sacrifice again.
I do think that most of the cards you suggested be cut still have pretty valid reasons to be present in the deck. Most of those cards are either for spot removal Malicious Affliction, control Grave Pact, ETB/upon death triggers Kokusho, the Evening Star, discard effects Call the Bloodline, or token generation Noosegraf Mob. I mean, sure, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger doesn't really fit in the deck, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to potentially cheat out an Eldrazi titan on like, turn 4.
I could probably drop Ancient Craving for one of the more efficient cards like Night's Whisper though. I really like Corpse Connoisseur too. Diabolic Intent fits the theme of the deck, so I might swap that in for one of the other tutoring cards. Withering Boon seems pretty great too. Counterspells in black are hilarious, and often unexpected. Toxic Deluge could very well end up replacing Damnation, because you're right, it is pretty good. Just not sure if paying that much life is always worth the effect.
Thanks again for all the great suggestions! I've definitely still got some work to do on this deck.
1 week ago
Have you considered Reito Lantern as another way to recycle creatures?
Your deck is short 1 card - you only have 99 including your commander - and you have FAR too many lands (I would definitely not run more than 36, especially with such a low curve). You also have no draw effects, very little ramp, and almost no removal - I'd try Herald's Horn, Sol Ring, Braid of Fire, Talisman of Indulgence, Phyrexian Arena, Grim Haruspex, Night's Whisper, Decree of Pain, Toxic Deluge, and Patriarch's Bidding, maybe?
2 weeks ago
Nice deck, I am also working on Braids for french EDH. The Deck in my Profile isn't updated. I think Drownyard Temple and Dunes of the Dead would be great in the deck. Toxic Deluge is also very effective removal and I picked Desecration Demon instead of Abyssal Persecutor.Also your Deck isn't french legal. All Mox are banned
2 weeks ago
These are other spells I like:
- Rapid Hybridization
- Snuff Out
- Mana Leak
- Red Elemental Blast
- Arcane Denial
- Cyclonic Rift
- By Force
- Toxic Deluge
Typically, I like to carry 6-10 targeted removal options(these include counter spells) and at least 2 mass removal spells.
2 weeks ago
I do get a kick out of Assault Suit protecting Kefnet from edicts and also letting me loan him out to help kill a player. On another list I saw someone running Avarice Amulet which is pretty sweet tech on an indestructible general. Sure Toxic Deluge means the other player gets the equipment, but aside from -1/-1 counters Kef isn't going to lose the equipment.
3 weeks ago
Some of my suggestions aren't budget friendly but are worth it.
Fulminator Mage, Gray Merchant of Asphodel (great alt wincon), Toxic Deluge, Phantasmal Image, Vindictive Lich (shines in multiplayer, but it'd need testing in 1v1), kinda a douchey but effective move... Jokulhaups, and a personal favorite of mine here, Legion Loyalist.
Also, haste is huge here as it allows for an immediate counter similar to Sage of Fables etc. Look into running Hall of the Bandit Lord, Ogre Battledriver, Urabrask the Hidden, and Maybe Anger (anger is much more viable with fetches).
Feel free to check out my list for ideas. Our lists are very similar and you have a good list put together here, but my list isn't exactly budget friendly. He who controls the Spice controls the Spice Girls