Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost.
|Want (5)||Aethos528 , Ralion , trist79 , GeminiSpartanX , kalko|
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|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Mythic Rare|
|Modern Masters (MMA)||Mythic Rare|
|Ravnica: City of Guilds (RAV)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||None|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Dark Confidant occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.14%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
Dark Confidant Discussion
2 days ago
Magic is a game with elements outside your control. Your deck is bigger than your starting hand size. This randomness helps balance skill between deck building as well as piloting, and has been noted in a few places. Simply put, even a deck that is only winning 25% of games against a 75% winrate deck still is getting wins when the great deck gets bad hands, or bad draws, and the weaker deck can have their own great starting hands or lucky top decks.
Tutors are seen as one of the ways to reduce variance, and increase skill. If I have 1 card that says "I win when I cast this" and I have 1 Vampiric Tutor, my deck now has 2 cards that lead to winning. If I add Demonic Tutor to the mix, now I have 3 cards that are leading to winning.
Drawing extra cards has a similar effect, but that effect is much more pronounced in a 60 card format with 4x of any specific card. By running cards like Brainstorm or Ponder you gain access to more cards, and get to make meaningful choices about the cards available to you. To put it another way, you're reducing variance in available resources from your total possible resources. Tutors do the same thing. Tutors reduce variance in the game overall, by dramatically increasing the card quality of available cards for a small premium on whichever card you wish to play. A Llanowar Elves that was fetched by a Demonic Tutor cost you to cast, and there were two different points in getting the Elf from the library onto the battlefield where a player could have interacted with you. Big shout out to TypicalTimmy for also understanding this and putting it in a concise way. All tutors do is improve your card quality or give you access to cards. The thing you should be looking at are the combos themselves, and culling the ones that are too hard or too cumbersome to interact with.
Tutors also give information to opponents, especially in EDH where information can be used by more opponents than a 1 on 1 game. Consider the following: Outside of Vampiric Tutor Imperial Seal Demonic Tutor Grim Tutor and Diabolic Intent (and a handful of others), all the other tutors are conditional. Being conditional, the opponents have to know you satisfied the condition for searching. What do these have on common? The word reveal. If someone uses a Worldly Tutor to fetch Protean Hulk, all of their opponents have just received very important information about the options available to the pilot. Any player worth their salt will use this information to hold up counterspells or prioritize playing pieces that shut off Hulk combos, like Cursed Totem
Tutors serve as the missing piece. Sometimes it can be correct to tutor up your combo as fast as you possibly can and cast it. Other times, I expend tutors on finding more mana (I literally used Imperial Seal to find Command Tower three hours ago at my LGS). Sometimes I'll use that tutor to get Dark Confidant early, to help me control other players and stay ahead in cards. Other times I search up protection like Pact of Negation. As it turns out, double tutoring is a BIG TELL for opponents, and anyone who has played this game for a couple years is going to make the intentional choice to hold up mana to stop you. Simply jamming and racing doesn't work in every game, or every deck, even decks designed to do exactly that.
Tutors cost the same mana as Counterspell and all the other 0 or 1 or 2 mana variants that counter spells. You're getting more points during the process of the combo to use that counterspell. Many combos can be stopped by easy includes like Tormod's Crypt or Disenchant or whatever. Many players choose not to slot cards that interact with other players, and this is why tutors are seen to be a problem. If you basically let players Goldfish for 5 turns in a row, they can assemble a win. I don't think players really understand how meaningless inflicting damage to players is when you have to do 120 to win. That is 6x what you do in every other format, and cards are balanced around 20 life, not 120. When you get 30 damage to them by turn 5, they've drawn and tutored cards willy nilly without you busting them apart by killing their creatures, or removing enchantments/artifacts, or forcing them to discard cards or turning off their combos. They can just, combo off.
I firmly believe that tutors are very healthy for the format. If I know my opponent is capable of assembling and executing a combo, it forces me to consider how I'm going to react or respond to them. Opponents who tutor cards are broadcasting their ability to win, and this causes interesting dynamics around the table about expending or saving mana. It causes more dynamic interaction besides simply attacking and blocking. I don't know about you, but games of Magic are more fun when players interact with each other and threaten to win and stop other players from winning.
1 week ago
jeacaveo To specifically answer you, I play weekly in a very competitive meta at my LGS in paper. I play against Consultation Hulk Najeela, Gitfrog, TnT Flash Hulk (now Fish Hulk), Brago Stax, Yisan, Doomsday Breya, and all kinds of other stuff. I am aware of the format, and the meta. I have played Azami and Naru Meha and Baral as mono blue decks, no I don't have lists for them on tappedout. Either way, I don't really care if you gatekeep me from "competitive" as long as you respond to my critiques or link cards. Which you didn't. So much along chump, your comment was worthless too.
AlwaysSleepy This list hasn't been updated for 5 months. You can speak about how the meta has changed with the coming of Oracle and how this deck brilliantly handles it, but that doesn't really mean anything to this list because it hasn't been updated. If it handles Oracle, it is by no intentional omission or addition from the brewers. I know you guys absolutely love to claim these brewers are 10/10 never before seen genius brewers, but ayyy lmao I'm going to need you guys to reel it in. This is what I mean when I talk about idol worship and people being mindless. This list is 5 months old. It wasn't good then. It still isn't good now. Defending this to your last breath is a weird hill to die on mate.
Basalt + Rings being considered unplayable is certainly understandable. Its in across two cards with another to start the combo for total. Grim + Power artifact is a half that at . Neither of the combos have an outlet themselves, and both of them produce colorless mana. I'm not arguing that the rings combo is more efficient, it definitely isn't. I'm arguing that Power Artifact is a 100% dead draw outside the combo and Rings gives better value outside the combo. I've playtested this deck. Numerous times. It runs out of gas frequently and struggles assembling and executing the combo. Rings + Basalt is easier to find, easier to recur, and Rings has much more incidental value and can form loops for winning with other cards already slotted, like Codex Shredder. PA is only getting tutored off two cards, Intuition and Muddle the Mixture. Rings is getting tutored off MANY more cards. Even if the speed is slower, the availability and utility is much higher. From the availability perspective, I think it is a much more valuable include. This deck struggles to assemble a win in a timely manner, so make the pieces more fetchable. Even if you disagree with Basalt + Rings, Grim + PA is definitely a weak combo in that PA is absolutely useless without Grim, and you get 2-for-1'd by artifact removal in response to casting PA. Some of the mana cost is negated with Urza too, but more importantly, you're more likely to have excess mana from other artifacts (if you run more than 17 ahahahaha) which helps to power the combo and sustain uses for value. Yes the value from Rings costs a lot, but wow! Urza makes mana! Maybe, if we combine the mana from other artifacts we're already playing, and then use that to pay for Rings activations, we can get ahead!
My biggest reason for including Rings + Basalt was because this deck is just slow as fuck. I understand it can't race against decks with Black, but honestly this $4000 durdle pile can't race at all. Having your game plan be "Untap, upkeep, draw, and that will be a pass from me" is unbelievably stupid. Compare to a deck like Rashmi or Baral, which can actually accrue value from this style of play. When given space, all this deck does is. . . uh . . . hold up mana for counterspells.
Honestly the biggest problem with Workshop is a bad topdeck late game. P.S. this card also makes more sense with more artifacts. I'm not advocating for adding it in this list without adding other cards.
Howling Mine - Lets look. If Urza is in it draws you a card. If Urza is out it draws you a card. Seems like it still works without Urza.
Speaking about the failure mode though, Static Orb may wreck your game worse than 3 draw triggers. If you have Urza get removed while trying to protect, you're most likely tapped out. Not having the mana to interact with the Flash is going to be worse than giving the Flash player 1 more card. Similarly, other opponents are going to have mana difficulties with either of the Orbs to interact with the Flash Hulk player too. This is pretty well known, and the card is still ran. If you think that a colorless Dark Confidant + Mox Sapphire stapled to it with the failure of symmetry instead of asymmetry isn't worth running, we have nothing more to discuss on the matter.
I agree that Narset's Reversal is an over slotted card and should be used mostly in mono color. I think its popularity is because it serves as a Copy Artifact outlet with Dramatic Reversal, as it does here.
About Urza and spinning the wheel, its reusable card draw + play the spell. It doesn't replace your regular card draw, and yes having high counterspell density does cause more bricks from activations. The rest of your argument for this section talks about the "meta and how you can't be agnostic of it". Yeah dude, once again, this deck hasn't been updated in 5 months. Tell that to the brewers.
BUT PITHING NEEDLE DOESNT SEE PLAY SHAPER TOLD ME SO
Yeah dude, of the 400 cards you see in a pod, you only have control over 100. If your maximum power deck only works against maximum power decks, is it really a maximum power deck? Sure, in theory you shouldn't account for Needle, but
- This game being played in paper with real costs to cards means that the vast majority of players do not have 100% access to the cards they should slot, which means they put another card in that slot
- The vast majority of players are not aware of the competitive meta or lists. Those who are enfranchised with knowledge and access most likely are aware of how Needle performs in other formats and consider it here as well.
- A savvy player who loses to a deck that can be shut off by a single card may slot that card when they expect to see the deck again. The meta evolves as players realize how vulnerable this deck is to a 1 cmc card that literally any deck can slot
- Needle variants see play, and players without large card pools may slot more of the same effect. Players may also slot the needle in place of Totem or Linvala, especially if they are Modern players who already have the Needle but not a Totem.
Imagine someone running Kiki combo being shut off by someone's random Ghostly Prison. Sure, that card shouldn't be run in optimized lists, but not being able to handle permanents on the board speaks to bad building. How this deck fares against Needle effects is the same.
As far as blind followers and me shitting on 'em, look at the replies to my posts mate. We have
- Tepid regurgitation post from a fan restating the primer
- 0 decks 1 post guy calling me a fucktard but saying I might be onto something
- You, saying this deck is golden against Fish when it hasn't been updated since 5 months before Fish hit the scene
- Dominican bro saying I've obviously never played competitive because ??? No reason given
- Still no one can explain why this deck has a 90% match to CVT or why it runs only 5 pieces of removal
Lazy, phoned-in deck from 4 brewers who just couldn't be bothered. If this opinion makes you mad, or makes you need to @ me, its because you're basing it off the merit of the names associated with it instead of the cards listed inside it. You can justify it as handling Fish meta, but the list hasn't been updated. Y'all really drink the Kool-Aid, and you drink it all.
1 week ago
firstly thank you for the comment they are both great questions you have asked. I will try to explain them as best and simply as I can, sorry if I go on a little.
I am going to start with the question about the inclusion of Urborg. so Urborg makes every nonbasic land a swamp, itself included (tapping for one black mana). this allows us to play our heavy black cards like Phyrexian Obliterator or Geralf's Messenger more consistently. also later in the game increases the power of our Lashwrithe as any of our nonbasic lands we have drawn up to this stage are now swamps also, they can still tap for there nonbasic ability of course if need be.
what do they offer when they hit the field: Dark Confidant - a body with two power ( can block, attack or equip etc). Phyrexian Arena offers nothing costs more and also comes down a turn later. this is critical in the modern format.
what they offer over time: they both offer the same +1 card per turn, after the first. the life points lost per turn: Phyrexian Arena is easy at 1 life point per turn, Dark Confidant (total CMC = 98) / 60 cards=1.6333 per turn on average. so you see there is not much difference after all. if this life loss adds up or we get unlucky later in the game thankfully we have a heap of creature sacrifice outlets on hand. I hope that showed why bob is the better card.
Again thank you for your question my friend, others may have been wondering the same thing.
good luck on your journey through the darkness.
enpc on Najeela Hulk
1 week ago
Unfortunately Nature's Will doesn't work like you think it does - The "One or more" clause in Nature's Will means that regardless of if you connect with 1 creature or 100 creatures, it still triggers once. It will trigger twice intotal withnormal attacking and first strike, but that's about as far as you can push it (per combat phase).
Is there a reason you're not running Druids' Repository? It does a lot of work and doesn't require you to have WUBRG amongst lands.
I think you'd be better off with Path to Exile over Rapid Hybridization as well - giving your opponent a token which can block and kill Najeela seems bad. I would also recommend adding a bit more card advantage. You currently have a bunch of cantrips/one-for-one tutors, however not a huge amount in the way of actual advantage. Dark Confidant is good, Edric, Spymaster of Trest is strong too, Rhystic Study is another good value card.
I have a no budget version of this deck (digitally at least) here if it helps give you some ideas.
2 weeks ago
First time playing Modern since War of the Spark. Wasn't too sure of the meta at my LGS so I packed a little too much gy hate.
Round 1 vs. Dredge
Opponent was playing Dredge with Ox of Agonas.
Blood Moon on t3 limited his options which I Remand-ed back to his hand. No green meant no Life from the Loam to get his 5th land to hard cast the ox. Bounced 4 Prized Amalgam via Thing in the Ice Flip Flip and attacked for lethal after some burn to the face.
Sideboard for Game 2:
Started with an Anger of the Gods, Remand, Thing in the Ice, 3 lands, and a Lightning Bolt. T3 opponent casts Cathartic Reunion discarding 2 Stinkweed Imp and a Golgari Thug to dredge for 14. My T3 I remove Narcomoeba, 3 Prized Amalgams and a Bloodghast with Anger of the Gods. Drew the second Anger to keep his board clear. Tried to block Awoken Horror but when I showed Cryptic Command + Mystic Sanctuary he scooped with ~7 card left in library.
Round 2 vs. Eldrazi Tron
Opponent couldn't get t3 tron but managed a Chalice of the Void on 1, no can-trips or bolts for me. Played a Karn, Scion of Urza and decided to take an Expedition Map to try to get tron instead of a Mind Stone (He forgot that he couldn't cast it with Chalice). Remand-ed a Thought-Knot Seer twice and Cryptic-ed his Reality Smasher which flipped a Thing. Tried to stabilize with a Walking Ballista but before attacks I Archmage's Charm-ed to gain control of his only blocker. Game 2.
Out: 3 Opt
I had my only Snow-Covered Mountain in my opening hand which threw off my t3 Archmage's Charm and t4 Cryptic. I got lucky when my opponent still couldn't get tron until t5. Couldn't counter a Thought-Knot Seer and he took a titi but I also had a Magmatic Sinkhole to remove it. Kept countering his threats until I managed to get Ral, Izzet Viceroy out, -3 his Ballista on 1, he pings Ral and I keep using his +1 and countering his spells until I managed to ult Ral. He scoops.
Round 3 vs. Rakdos Vampires
Opponent was playing a vampire-themed midrange deck with Vampire Nocturnus, Gifted Aetherborn, Stromkirk Captain, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord along with the standard black cards like Liliana of the Veil, Fatal Push, Dark Confidant, and Thoughtseize. T1 Cavern of Souls was a pain but I could still draw a card with remand to dig for removal which I found in a bolt + snapcaster. I won with another snapcaster + bolt.
Out: 2 Opt
In: 2 Anger of the Gods
Removed Kalitas with sinkhole and Force of Negation-ed his lotv when he tried to remove a titi which he did push later. Stabilized at 7 life by slamming a blood moon to get rid of Stensia Bloodhall and Lavaclaw Reaches but next turn he played Chandra, Awakened Inferno which I removed via bolt + sinkhole. Had to race him and beat him to death with a snapcaster and a Brazen Borrower. Won at 2 life.
Round 4 vs. Boros Burn
Out: 2 Opt
In: 2 Anger of the Gods. At this point I didn't have any Dragon's Claw in my sideboard so I knew this was my worst match.
Had to mull to 6 which opponent was happy about. Fought through two Eidolon of the Great Revel and stabilized at 6 life. Slammed Ral, -3 on Monastery Swiftspear, and +1 until he ulted, countering every burn spell without using a snapcaster. Opponent scooped after I used bolt + mystic sanctuary + ral emblem. Showed me a hand of 3 Searing Blood + 1 Path to Exile (from sb to get rid of titi).
I did not lose a single game this FNM but I knew I got very lucky vs Eldrazi Tron Game 2 and burn both games.
Changes to mainboard:
Note: Even though most lists run 1 Mountain it still felt really bad having it in my opening hand. This time I wasn't punished but I can't rely on that every time. An additional steam vents keeps me at 5 red sources without blood moon and it acts as an additional Island for Mystic Sanctuary
Changes to sideboard:
Note: Tonight I wasn't against a Stoneforge Mystic deck that my friend uses so I was pretty vulnerable to any artifact deck. Since I already have 6 cards in the sideboard that hate on graveyard decks and only ceremonious rejection for artifacts, I decided to put a recurrable hate card that can help deal with a variety of decks.
3 weeks ago
Very nice deck. I have a paper Alesha, Who Smiles at Death list, so I can appreciate another paper non-blue stax deck.
Things I enjoy
Hope of Ghirapur is a very saucy include and is a strong Glissa recursion target
Tainted Wood and the other tainted lands are EXTREMELY under rated
Ulvenwald Tracker has some crazy strong synergy with Glissa (first strike and deathtouch)
Areas I can see improvement
First, Tree of Tales and Vault of Whispers raise risk while providing extremely marginal benefit (Mox Opal metalcraft). While it is recurrable with Glissa, you risk the chance of things like ETB tapped, get sniped on a land drop on turn 1 or 2, having it turned into a Mountain, or just having it not untap. Having 2 more basics will allow your Crucible of Worlds to be a BEAST with fetchlands and makes games against other stax decks easier. Similarly, you can ease off a touch with the non-standard dual color producers, because its only a two color deck. While these cards are certainly nice, cutting another 2-4 for various utility lands I bet you won't notice a drop in color consistency because of the high fetch density. I would also consider Wasteland and Ghost Quarter, which conveniently work extremely well with Crucible of Worlds in a stax deck. Green also has access to Ramunap Excavator, as well as the highly cancerous Exploration and Burgeoning and Azusa, Lost but Seeking. Blowing up a couple lands a turn makes players scoop pretty fast.
I think you should run the elf squad. Turn 1 elves make mana faster which helps A LOT. Stax decks needs to have strong starts, to get ahead of players so you can bury them with symmetrical and asymmetrical effects. Llanowar Elves Fyndhorn Elves Elvish Mystic Elves of Deep Shadow. I think these will help your consistency and speed. Also consider Priest of Titania. These are also great mid and late game targets for Skullclamp.
Artifact based draw that graveyards itself provides huge incidental value with Glissa. Specifically, Chromatic Star and Chromatic Sphere are worthy of includes. You could even grab Barbed Sextant if you strongly liked the chromatic effects.
Mana Web is a great effect when it goes, but I have personally found this card to be lackluster in color identities that lack White or Blue. It needs supporting cards to make it go, like Winter Orb and Static Orb. Blue and white get the benefit of having further extensions with Hokori, Dust Drinker and Stasis, and I really believe this card belongs mostly in decks.
Smallpox and Innocent Blood are synergy inclusions, but they are rather marginal if drawn later in the game. You could consider swapping one of them into Damnation. I don't think Sickening Dreams is worthwhile if you aren't running a combo to draw 50 cards and kill the table with it.
Tormod's Crypt could be worth running. Ezpz recursion target that you can always pop for value if someone has a creature about to die on the stack. Helps against fish hulk which you think is a bad match up. Also every deck has some way to gas from the GY.
You run some creatures that seem value oriented, but I think should be replaced. Wurmcoil Engine Ravenous Slime Scrap Trawler. I don't think you're getting enough meaningful action on combat for wurmcoil, I think ravenous is pretty marginal at beats as well as GY patrol, and scrap trawler is redundant with your commander and doesn't really advance your game plan.
3 weeks ago
I appreciate the fairness and honesty.
I think you should find space for Buried Alive, Assassin's Trophy, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Disciple of Bolas, Nature's Lore, Farseek, and Skyshroud Claim. Those are the cards that I think your deck would benefit the most from having.
1 month ago
Very nice fish hulk list. The triple stifle is nasty for mirrors indeed, not just from stopping Hulk but also from cards like Survival of the Fittest and fetchlands.
- Grab Grand Abolisher Nomads en-Kor Cephalid Illusionist and any 1 CMC creature
- Breakfast that shizz, mill library with Nomads + Cephalid
- Flashback Dread Return by sacrificing Nomads + Cephalid + 1 CMC dork
- Grand Abolisher on field entire time makes interaction extremely limited for opponents.
- Thassa's Oracle comes from Dread Return, seeing 2 devotion (or more, but 2 from Thassa) on 0 card deck for winning trigger.
No Utopia Sprawl ?
Talk to me about Neoform . It seems like an odd inclusion to me but I see it frequently in hulk lists. Is it just for value for turning 1 CMC dorks into Dark Confidant or Gilded Drake or Grand Abolisher ?