|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Mythic Rare|
|Modern Masters (MMA)||Mythic Rare|
|Ravnica: City of Guilds (RAV)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||None|
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Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of your upkeep, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost.
Dark Confidant Discussion
6 days ago
- Jund is amazing in every way except for you wallet. That is the worst part of jund. Discard spells impower your Tarmogoyf so running those is super important. Enough to want more Thoughtseize
- Dark Confidant is really good. It helps fight back the down side of discard cards. would recommand, and its early black devotion. Even when we take 5 on Gary when we cast him we heal so there is up side. Getting closer to our win con is always better. We dont need 20 life to win only 1.
- Scavenging Ooze is pretty powerful, you do have rest in peace in the SB but its still worth considering.
- Plague Engineer can help as well. Id play only one though. I see some decks play Murderous Rider as well as a one of.
- Collective Brutality is a very powerful card. I have been on the receiving end many times and lost because of the value this card gets you.
- I would recommend more removal. Espically at least 1x Abrupt Decay and one more Assassin's Trophy . Id be even more comfortable playing 2 more Fatal Push .
- The Reasons for blue: oko,3/3 elks, oko, and filtering with Snap caster. Unless you fight a lot of burn dont go blue.
- Reasons for red: Bolt is Life (cheap removal), Blood braid value (remember she was banned for some time), and wrenn and six. Jund is much more powerful than this build. That being said its not the archtype, and its wayyyyy more spendy.
- For land you want at least to "horizon lands" such as Nurturing Peatland and fast lands such as Blooming Marsh . Field of Ruin can also really help.
- Kitchen Finks is a great SB card and so is Fulminator Mage . Most play Nihil Spellbomb but you have white so you dont need this. By adding all this removal you wont need Damnation in your SB.
- Not a big fan of Mishra's Bauble or Grim Flayer . 10 Fetches is also a little high i would consider cutting down on those. To 6 or 8.
- You are abzan so i will say Worship is a card Giver of Runes Path to Exile and Angel's Grace are cards. As well as Siege Rhino . White also gets you Vizier of Remedies + Devoted Druid for infinite mana. - Tireless Tracker is also a good card draw engine although its not black.
- Other cards to consider Postmortem Lunge Eladamri's Call Finale of Devastation Sin Collector Eidolon of Rhetoric and Collector Ouphe
1 week ago
Hey Iniallator98 thanks for the upvote! Ya there's unfortunately not a great way I can think of to replace what the Disciple does, but Pain Seer makes for a decent plan B since it uses the same engine & can act as sort of a Dark Confidant . I'd probably describe the strategy in that case as being more of a grindy tempo approach than straight control, as you'd want to use the card advantage Pain Seer provides to keep your hand stocked with answers while Smuggler's Copter and/or Hydroid Krasis go over the top. I tried to choose cards for the removal suite that are situational enough to give Disciple a wide array of answers, but still flexible enough individually to keep the number of dead cards in hand without Disciple to a minimum, so it can hopefully play that grindy style if needed. The other side of the coin is that you can see a lot of cards via Pain Seer & Copter, making it more likely to get a Disciple.
If you have any ideas for how to make it more consistent though, I'm all ears!
1 week ago
Hugomarink - Mindblade Render is a budget choice for Dark Confidant . Comes out the same turn as Dark Confidant (same CMC), has draw potential on the same turn (the turn after it is played), and on a minor note is a good swinger for Tymna the Weaver . Those are the main reasons I chose this over, say, a Phyrexian Arena .
1 month ago
Dark Confidant is something you'd also want to pick up eventually if budget restrictions aren't a huge problem. Runic Armasaur is really strong in some metas too, especially in games where there's a high density of fetchlands.
1 month ago
Yeah, I'd definitely recommend Dark Confidant and Zulaport Cutthroat . Not sure about higher CMC spells but these 2-drops should find a place here and bring the consistency of the deck a little higher.
Also for comparison, here's my decklist: Edgar's Night Horde
1 month ago
Brutal Hordechief is a second Sanctum Seeker
Hellrider serves a similar purpose
Stoneforge Mystic is a tutor for clamp
Zulaport Cutthroat is an extra artist.
these are the only non-vamps I run.
1 month ago
- Dark Confidant for card advantage
- Kitchen Finks gets you life gain for burn
- 2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet can get a win
- Damnation is a 4 mana boardwipe that is easier to cast
- Isolated Chapel is a land consideration
- Anguished Unmaking is better than spark being it gets ride of the restriction and you have life gain.
- Running creatures will help protect your plains walkers as well as provide a clock. It allows you to get worship as a SB or MB card which can be very powerful, if you opponent cannot deal with is. (It can also be found in Gideon spell book).
- Stony Silence should be in your SB and Rest in Peace should also probably be in there as well
1 month ago
Just to be clear, your last response
- Didn't include a response to sunbird critiques, which I explicitly requested.
- Used pedantic incorrectly ("a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.", of which my sentence on Mind's Dilation did not have this characteristic)
- Spent an entire post flaming without anything on topic
Yeah dude, this is why I asked you to stop being childish. Instead of doubling down on toxic behavior, you could have contributed something to the thread.
A) Opportunity cost, don't ignore that. When you run a 6 CMC spell, you're missing out on plays you could be making instead.
B) The ability to brick out is significantly worse in Sunbird than other similar cards. Compare to the cards I linked earlier, Phyrexian Arena Sylvan Library Dark Confidant . No matter what, you're getting cards off those triggers. When you get a sunbird trigger, you're not guaranteed to get anything.
Comparing a card advantage engine to a stax piece is silly. To answer you explicitly though, yes those cards can brick out and yes it impacts their play-ability. The difference is that these effects are so beneficial when they land that they are worth the opportunity cost of slotting them. Blood Moon doesn't shut off the Azami player, but many many many lists will still run it anyways. Sunbird doesn't have the same impact when it lands, which is why it bricking out matters. You can't even count on it for a marginal effect.
C) Compare how resources are used by those three cards
- Oracle of Mul Daya -> The value comes from your library, not from your hand. Once its in play, you don't have to spend any extra resources to get the lands from Oracle
- Craterhoof Behemoth -> The resources are already in play, usually where creatures want to be
- Sunbird's Invocation -> The resources must be in your hand, and you must cast another spell from hand to get the value, including paying mana costs
For Red, the area where your resources are most strapped is your hand. Even if you luck out and hit your 2 cards out of 99 in a 7 card hand (0.433%) you have still burned cards in hand. By the time you are able to cast Sunbird, you may only have lands left in hand. You MUST have a spell to cast after assembling the mana to get the first Sunbird trigger. You must also have the mana to cast the spell.
I'm glad you brought up Craterhoof though, to show how cards with high mana costs should perform. People will cast it as a finisher, something that ends the game because of the large cost (opportunity and mana) to play, as well as the conditional board required for it to be effective. Now compare to Sunbird. If you've hit all the resource costs, and have all the necessary components to make it go, all it does is get you free cards. Craterhoof wins. Do you see the difference?
D) I have not advocated for running junk, and in fact advocated for the exact opposite. This is why I lament about posting here, I can't even make the masses here aware of my position without confusion.
" You do come off kinda aggressive/condescending though when you say things like "Holy moly I don't even know why I post on these forums sometimes."
The poster I responded to ignored my very complete explanation of why Sunbird is a bad card, and nitpicked language minutia of a card I linked exclusively as a comparison example to pat themselves on the back for being correct about a casual card being a threat.
It really made me wonder why I post here. I have written a small essay on this thread now, and have gained absolutely nothing in new information.
Dark Confidant occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.14%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%