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Whenever Hellkite Charger attacks, you may pay . If you do, untap all attacking creatures and after this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
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Hellkite Charger Discussion
4 days ago
Well actually it stays the same combo I just need to use Scion to become a Savage Ventmaw use Mirage Mirror to copy the savage so i can get my 12 mana and have the actual Hellkite Charger on board to get my loop no?
5 days ago
You don't seem to understand how Scion of the Ur-Dragon works. When you activate it's ability (and it resolves) you choose a creature card in your library to put into the graveyard and Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of it. It doesn't just gain the abilities of the card, it also loses it's own abilities, so it can't become a copy of something else.
There's a trick to activating it's ability twice so you can use activated abilities while Scion of the Ur-Dragon is a copy of one thing then let it become a copy of something else, however it's difficult to use that trick with triggers, especially combat triggers as they require changing phases.
If Mirage Mirror becomes a copy of Scion of the Ur-Dragon normally, the legend rule will apply and one of them will be put into the graveyard as a state-based action, however once Scion of the Ur-Dragon is a copy of something, if it's copying a nonlegendary dragon, Mirage Mirror can safely copy it.
Putting this together you can actually use the trick I mentioned, but not to the extreme degree you were hoping. You can activate Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability twice, let it resolve once, then have Mirage Mirror become a copy of it. You then let Scion of the Ur-Dragon's ability resolve a second time. The end result will be that one of them is Savage Ventmaw and the other is Hellkite Charger. This doesn't quite give you the infinite mana and combat steps you want, but you're generating 6 mana each combat and spending 7, so it's only a net cost of 1 mana per extra combat, a pretty good deal. If Scion of the Ur-Dragon is Hellkite Charger it will only take 5 combats to knock out one player with commander damage, while dealing 20 damage to another player with the Mirage Mirror. This would cost 10 mana total, 4 for Scion of the Ur-Dragon, 2 for Mirage Mirror, and 4 for the additional combats.
5 days ago
Question A: After I copied Savage Ventmaw and Hellkite Charger with Scion of the Ur-Dragon, if I use Mirage Mirror to copy my Scion dragon, does the mirror also have the abilities of Savage Ventmaw and Hellkite Charger?
If it does here's Question B: When I attack with both and I get my 2 sets of RRRGGG (meaning I get 12 mana) and I pay the cost for Hellkite Charger ability and I untap my creatures and get another combat step and I attack again do I get a loop here where I get 12 mana each time then I can pay the cost each time to regain a combat step and I can do this over and over?
The other players said no but I'm uncertain (I thought maybe they just don't wanna get chopped down by the noob at the table) since there's no once per turn and it's say whenever they attack if I order them correctly on the stack maybe it works or something (get the 12 mana first then pay for the cost of charger)
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
Looking good so far!
Some things I would potentially take away:
- Ramos, Dragon Engine is a good card, but has more synergy in other decks than here.
- O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami because it is very conditional to go off.
- Scourge of Valkas has potential but is also pretty situational. My play group is very board wipe heavy so I never seemed to get much use out of this, though your situation may be different.
- Kokusho, the Evening Star can give you some sustain over a long game
- Hellkite Charger if you have the mana can get amazing
- Hellkite Tyrant wrecks anyone with a lot of artifacts
- Blasphemous Act is a super easy board wipe in most scenarios
- Dragonlord Kolaghan for the haste
- Anger can be useful in long games
- Mirari's Wake gives double mana and can allow for The Ur-Dragon to 2 shot with commander damage.
2 weeks ago
Some Dragons i'd suggest considering:
Another thing I enjoy in my version of this, The Ur-Dragon, Progenitor of Fire, is ways to cheat dragons.
Looks sweet though! +1 from me.
1 month ago
Etali, Primal Storm works great in decks like this. I highly recommend it. I would also recommend cards for more combat steps, so Hellkite Charger works great. Another card that allows for more combat damage is Relentless Assault. Hope this helps in some way!
1 month ago
Gratuitous Violence, Nova Chaser, Gruul Signet, Rakdos Signet, Golgari Cluestone, Gruul Cluestone, Rakdos Cluestone, Golgari Keyrune, Rakdos Keyrune, Gruul Keyrune, Temple of the False God, Thunderfoot Baloth, Kessig Wolf Run, Skarrg, the Rage Pits, Angrath's Marauders, Kazandu Refuge, Hellkite Charger, Darigaaz's Caldera, Hissing Quagmire, Llanowar Wastes, Bloodfell Caves, Dragonskull Summit, Foreboding Ruins, Rakdos Guildgate, Tainted Peak, Tresserhorn Sinks, Shadowblood Ridge,