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Creature — Kor Artificer
When Stoneforge Mystic enters the battlefield, you may search your library for an Equipment card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
, : You may put an Equipment card from your hand onto the battlefield.
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Stoneforge Mystic Discussion
39 minutes ago
Urza, Lord High Artificer has soooo many possibilities in eggs or the thopter sword deck (infinite life and creatrues is awesome).
mono Black aggro/ midrange has legs now, Force of Despair is nuts
blazing chant will probably make it's own archetype but it definitely slots right into storm
Goblin engineer looks like Stoneforge Mystic to except there's probably some loop we can establish like a new KCI ish deck
I love tortex in pauper so Spore Frog gets my mind going
and we just got Squirrel Nest so hopefully squirrels could be a thing X)
I haven't seen anything that will give us a new combo deck other than maybe urza but man this set is solid and where only three days in!
6 days ago
I'm trying to do something similar with Tajic, but don't you find that you don't have enough creatures? Also, is the choice to not have either Stoneforge Mystic or Stonehewer Giant budget related? I would think they would be automatic adds.
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
TwinStags Here are the cards you want opinions: Oblation Stuffy Doll Silverclad Ferocidons Crack the Earth Misguided Rage ( Phalanx Leader Anax and Cymede tokens with Young Pyromancer Launch the Fleet Monastery Mentor Akroan Crusader Vanguard of Brimaz ) Goblinslide Tenth District Legionnaire Burning Prophet and I'll give you my opinions.
Oblation : This is a great card! For 2 and a White you exile a token and get TWO LANDS!! VALUE!! Until you run out of basic lands to fetch. Then you're getting rid of 1 creature threat at a cost of giving two lands to only ONE of your opponents. ChibiNature's explanation for getting rid of Oblation is higher up on this thread. But Oblation only does so much for 3 CMC. Compare to other spells that is in this deck, that is also 3 CMC, Oblation is a clear choice to cut. BUT, if you are going the TOKEN route for your EDH deck then this is good. Not great, only good.
Stuffy Doll Silverclad Ferocidons : These two are basically the same effect, hurt them and they hurt our opponent. So the question becomes 'How many 'Direct Damage' spells are we going to run? The answer: Not enough. These two cards do not justify the amount of direct damage spells we need to run to kill our opponents.
Crack the Earth Misguided Rage : These cards have no synergy with Feather, the Redeemed , there is no value because we can't replay these cards unless we do graveyard recursion which is a host of other cards that is NOT in Boros colors.
Phalanx Leader Anax and Cymede tokens with Young Pyromancer Launch the Fleet Monastery Mentor Akroan Crusader Vanguard of Brimaz ) Goblinslide : This is actually a good idea, make a bunch of tokens and just spew all over our opponents faces. This is probably the 2nd best way to play Feather, the Redeemed . It does need a lot of setup and luck in drawing your creatures and spells. I can see an aggro deck that snowballs very fast. You'll be enemy #1 very fast. But can you bounce back after a boardwipe? How many turns will it take for you to rebuild your army of tokens? What about the balance of number of creatures to number of pump spells? How are you going to protect your tokens from being wiped?
Tenth District Legionnaire Burning Prophet : Scrying is nice. Drawing is better. For example you cast a spell onto Tenth District Legionnaire and you scry and decide to keep that card on the top. What happens to the next spell you cast onto Tenth District Legionnaire . If it is a pump spell, then it's better to cast it onto Zada, Hedron Grinder and pump ALL your tokens instead of only Tenth District Legionnaire . The same argument goes for Burning Prophet as well. My opinion is that Burning Prophet is better than Tenth District Legionnaire
You are missing two other ways to play Feather, the Redeemed . Have you looked into Flicker playstyle using Cloudshift and Otherworldly Journey ? Have you seen Zealous Conscripts and Stonehorn Dignitary ? Imagine casting Cloudshift onto Stoneforge Mystic ! ProTip: Use Zealous Conscripts to grab an enemy creature, then cast Cloudshift onto the creature you stole... that creature is now yours until it dies, not until end of turn!
3 weeks ago
Let me go through your points.
- xD What? cEDH doesn't make you win by turn 3? Most lists can't do that, midrange combo like Kess Turns and Yisan lists aim for turns 4-5ish and use a mix of removal and hate to stop faster opponents. Control/Stax decks from Control Zur, Blood Pod, or Derevi win much later, after locking out faster combo opponents with permission, removal, stax, and hate.
It is true you need to be affecting the board state in a heavy way by turn three, but you definitely do not need to win by then.
- Wrong, Boros does have efficient infinite combos that do not need to spend a long amount of time to physically go through each trigger, such as the popular cEDH Aurelia, the Warleader + Helm of the Host list, using a stax-core for the list, as well as an abundance of tutors, such as Steelshaper's Gift or Stoneforge Mystic to set up the combo.
Another popular competitive viable Boros combo was using Imperial Recruiter with Recruiter of the Guard , to fetch Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , to copy the Recruiter of choice to fetch Combat Celebrant or Village Bell-Ringer to go infinite with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker .
Point is, Boros always had good win conditions that went infinite and were effectively 1-card combos too, (Just need Helm + Commander or Recruiter+what it tutors for in deck) for what it is worth.
- Aurelia, being a strong combo-enabler also happens to remove the argument that prior to Feather, WotC only made bad commanders that only revolve around creature-beatdown strategies or dumb tribal shenanigans.
Gisela was often used in conjunction with effects like Manabarbs for a stax-lockdown deck, Firesong and Sunspeaker is a burn-lifegain deck, very spell-focused, Brion Stoutarm was a list based around sacrifice and recursion, with lifegain synergies to boot, etc.
After this you say that "BOROS HAS YET TO DO THAT", referring to non-combat commander support, again I look to Gisela, Firesong/Sunspeaker, and Brion.
Then you bring up that tier 1 lists always go off turn 3 and you can't be competitive without that, again, BS, Yisan, Teferi, and Sisay and tier 1 decks, of which two are stax-combo hybrids that often go the stax-y control route and Yisan is midrange-y, etc.
Then you go into the 5 things you want to do to get this deck where you want. I don't see why as Aurelia is a tier 3 cEDH list anyway, but who cares.
All commander decks need to be 100 cards exactly anyway to be a commander deck, this is not specific to cEDH.
No, many people build budgeted cEDH decks, but just like any competitive event for standard, modern, legacy, vintage, and pauper, playing a budgeted variant will lose you games. Also, many players to do accept the use of proxies, and in competitive EDH tournaments or side events and Grand Prix's, or now Magic Fests, you can be disqualified for using proxies.
That is not a rule of cEDH, while it isn't a bad suggestion, it is not necessary for the vast majority of faster combo decks, that only need to protect their combo, or for stax decks with hate that can stop threats before they are cast, or stop them from being cast, well before having a removal or counterspell up is necessary.
I would suggest the old Helm of Obedience / Rest in Peace combo for the deck or a Kiki-Jiki package to play with. Running Rest in Peace as graveyard hate is often useful enough to warrant inclusion in any cEDH white list not aiming on using the graveyard for itself, and this list shouldn't so recursion based.
Wrong, not that Boros has great effects, it does, but the arrogance in saying that nobody knows them is astounding to me xD.
After this you make it sound like there is a mob of cEDH players who say Boros is "forbidden". I have only heard that word said in cEDH as a reference to Forbidden Orchard xD.
Then you complain about infinite creature combos stopping you from having fun, and claim Azathoth from the Lovecraftian pantheon is the most powerful media character (must never have heard of SCP-3812), and ramble on about inane things.
Then you actually go crazy. Not about Boros, not about anything else mtg related, you literally claim you are "The only person willing to help on Earth." No joke, read it. Lunatic.
Starts quoting some BS after that, and immediately goes into talking about cuts for the list. Actually, this concerns me for BMHKain's mental health. This is some deeply disturbing stuff.
Then goes into quoting something about Tokyo, and apologizes for having some of the really weird stuff throughout.
Okay, wtf was that. You start by going on some factually incorrect assumptions about cEDH, then all Boros commanders, then all Boros combos, then on basic EDH rules like having 100 cards... then you go off the deep end, and ask about cutting cards.
1 month ago
In Mardu () it's easier to Tutor (and lower CMC) for Artifacts like Lightning Greaves than creatures. Steelshaper's Gift & Stoneforge Mystic . Also Swiftfoot Boots & Lightning Greaves both provide Hexproof (Shroud) which also helps, and they are recursive (Equipments), whereas Torch Courier and Generator Servant are one time (Although Generator Servant also ramps, but Kaalia of the Vast only has not anyway).
Imperial Recruiter is about the only way to tutor them successfully, and it's CMC3.
Creatures also a little easier (generally) to remove than artifacts too.
1 month ago
Here's some recommendations, budget conscious where I can be.
Lightning Greaves is a critical component of Kaalia of the Vast , I play multiple tutors for it, like Steelshaper's Gift and Stoneforge Mystic . Lightning Greaves is a must, if you can't connect a Haste Kaalia of the Vast swing your going to have a bad time.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight is a staple, the double ended effect is really the key. She is a bit pricey, so I'll offer some other options tool.
I would try and hone in on a desired goal and synergize around that. Mine is Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Restoration Angel , Land Destruction / Indestructible, Liliana's Contract / Shadowborn Apostle type decks, Worldgorger Dragon , Extra Combat Phases.
You have a little bit of Legendary sub-theme, some protecting yourself and Kaalia of the Vast sub-theme Magus of the Moat / Boros Charm , some recursion with Phyrexian Reclamation . You've got a very strong base of cards, once you pick a synergy, you definitely want to synergize around those core abilities.
You have lots of great cards, and I bet it's extremely fun to play! The Signet's are good, Talisman of Indulgence is cheap and better, I also feel like in most situations Fellwar Stone is better than the signet too. But because of the cost of the other mana sources, augmenting with Signets is a fantastic idea.
I don't like Subterranean Tremors , small ground walkers should matter too much to you, and all of your ramp comes from artifacts so destroying those is not a great idea. If your getting a Lizard, something is off the rails. Something like Vandalblast is better for Artifact control.
Chancellor of the Annex doesn't seem strong enough for the CMC7, or Stax enough. Odric, Lunarch Marshal seems a little out of place, the A/D/D are pretty tough on their own, if you have enough where engaging Odric, Lunarch Marshal to multiply their abilities you should be winning anyway without him.
I don't see anything out of place here, other than some of my comments.
Adarkar Valkyrie has many infinite combos (like infinite combat with Aurelia, the Warleader ) for example. I have a bunch under my Alternative Synergies Considered if your interested. She's powerful, can establish some combos, and fits the build in a budget format.
1 month ago
What up man, anything new to report?
I just wanted to give an update. So after playing maybe a total of 20 games without the following cards: Hellkite Tyrant and Grim Tutor . I can say the deck is averaging T5 wins. Sometimes T3,T4 and T6 but generally, the average is T5.
Gamble Surprisingly, has been working in my favor with tutoring, each time. This has been the most played tutor out of the bunch.
Combat Celebrant has been put inplace of Hellkite Tyrant but I still havent been able to abuse Combat Celebrant yet. I was going to add in Hatred in its place but at least for me, during my gameplays I wouldn't have enough life to knock someone out with it. Plus I feel its similar to Master of Cruelties + Kaalia of the Vast combo.
So now my thoughts are adding another win con. Is it a good idea? I dont know but since I haven't filled the gap of Hellkite Tyrant , it leads me to explore some options.
I'm thinking of adding in Felidar Guardian inplace of Combat Celebrant which takes the original place of Hellkite Tyrant and taking out either Steelshaper's Gift or Stoneforge Mystic for Altar of the Brood
It's just an idea, a suggestion, another way to win but I don't know. What are your thought's about it, like I said, just trying to come up with other ideas. Hell, in the end I might just throw in Hellkite Tyrant and be done. Who knows.
Stoneforge Mystic occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.68%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%