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- A question regarding the use of Mox Opal.
- Can I tap multiple Mox Opal's for mana before sacrificing them?
- Can I tap a second mox opal for mana before statebased actions?
- Does the player on the play have an upkeep first turn?
- If I have a Scrap Trawler in play, a Walking Ballista on the graveyard, and I sack a Mox Opal, would Walking Ballista return to my hand?
Metalcraft — : Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Activate this ability only if you control three or more artifacts.
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Mox Opal Discussion
7 hours ago
Hey man, sweet deck! Just wondering if you had any thoughts on how to make this a more budget-friendly list? My meta is mostly budget cedh decks without all the fast mana. I currently need to replace City of Traitors , Lion's Eye Diamond , Mox Diamond , Mox Opal , and Mana Crypt .
Do you have any thoughts on how to do this? Are there worse versions of the cards that would work or would it be better to add in more card draw effects to increase consistency and get to the combo lines that remain?
Thanks for your thoughts and looking forward to more videos!
5 days ago
Fetch and shock lands will not make the deck faster. You are looking for those zero cmc mana rocks such as Mox Opal , Chrome Mox , Mox Amber , Mana Crypt , and etc. Even then you won't benefit much unless you are casting two to three merfolks/spells in a single turn. If you are then you can also add Mana Vault and Grim Monolith to that list.
But your deck is about using the TAP mechanic, and not about casting multiple spells in a turn. So fast mana might not be the answer for you.
1 week ago
Mainly Improvements I think you can make / Problems that I've found / Why this is a bad storm deck | Skip to the bottom for the Conclusion
3 BIG PROBLEMS > Mana, Consistency, and Modern itself
I will preface this with a statement, Modern HATES Storm. Almost all of the storm cards that Modern used to play are banned. Seething Song , Rite of Flame , Treasure Cruise , Dig Through Time , Ponder , Preordain , Faithless Looting , and Gitaxian Probe are all banned because of Storm and their use in or / storm decks. A lot of what I'll say will have relevance to Modern, but Storm is best in Vintage with access to the older Storm Cards. Some of the CARDS I mention will only be legal in Vintage, but the ideas/problems with this deck all have relevance to Modern
Differences I've found
Storm needs mana to do all the things it does. Do you know why Seething Song and Rite of Flame are banned? Because Storm took them and won on turn 1-2 and then kept winning on turn 1-2. However, because those things are banned, we need a compromise: Cards that make mana. Cards like Manamorphose , Desperate Ritual , and Pyretic Ritual can all get you the Generic portion of spells.
A difference between this deck and most Storm decks is that a) it doesn't win with Tendrils of Agony , which, although a black card, is way more efficient than Grapeshot but I'll talk about Winning later b) the cards that up the storm count don't do anything. Your Memnites, Ornithopters, and Darksteel Relics don't do anything on their own, they just cost 0. In other Storm decks, cards like Serum Visions , Manamorphose , Opt , and Deep Analysis all draw more cards while being cheap and upping the storm count.
Storm can win through other things too. Things like I dunno, creatures that DO things. Delver of Secrets Flip, Thing in the Ice Flip, and Baral, Chief of Compliance all a) do things and b) can ATTACK (Well, not Baral). If your Storm count fizzles, you still have a 3/2 flyer or a 7/8. Also, fizzling. In this deck, it's not so bad because your win condition is Aetherflux Reservoir , but fizzling is either because of a) not cards in hand or b) no mana. I've playtested this deck a few times, and what happens is I'm either top-decking, or I have no lands, both of which are TERRIBLE for a storm deck. This deck barely wins before turn 7-9, which in Modern is abysmally bad.
Your Win-Condition. You chose probably the hardest win condition in Storm. In a perfect game, where all the spells to setup are cast WHILE Aetherflux Reservoir is in play, you need to cast 8 spells to get to >50 life (56 to be exact; 20+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=56). So before you start going off, you need to get 4 mana and then live long enough to untap. It is very possible to get to 8 spells, but in this deck, it isn't. The way you cast spells, and the way those spells let you cast other spells means that you'll almost never have enough cards in hand to win. The ONLY line that I see is, yes, Retract , but that bounces Aetherflux Reservoir too, and we just spent 4 mana putting that thing in play. Even if we put Aetherflux into play again, we need 4 zero mana artifacts that WEREN'T in play last turn, which isn't impossible per se. So the things that this deck needs to win are a) Aetherflux Reservoir ALREADY IN PLAY b) Retract in hand c) 4 zero mana artifacts in hand d) Mana to both cast Retract AND Aetherflux Reservoir and e) a life total of at least 15. That's 5 things that this deck needs. 5 things in ONE HUNDRED CARDS!? Also, Aetherflux Reservoir isn't even a 4-of??! Not only would making you draw it easier, but 2 Aetherfluxes in play is not that bad if your win condition is >50 life. For storm it's bad, but for this, it's okay (Keep in mind a good thing in a bad deck is bad).
So, Aetherflux Reservoir sucks. What else is there?
PROS: 1) Can be cast multiple times throughout the game. The difference with Tendrils and Reservoir is that Reservoir is all or nothing; you NEED >50 life to win. Tendrils can be cast multiple times to win. If you cast tendrils for only say StormCount™ is 4, that's 8 life down for our opponent. Then, you can keep casting it. Maybe later you cast it for StormCount™ 5, that's 10 life down and 10 life gained. It's also a better thing for fizzling. If you even think you're going to fizzle, keep mana for tendrils. Tendrils should always be the last thing you cast each turn to maximize the StormCount™ 2) It's efficient. For the same mana cost as Reservoir, you get an immediate effect that drains your opponent. Also, each life that our opponent loses is great for us because instead of us gaining life, we're draining our opponent. In a format of Fetches and Shocks, 2 life is very easy to lose. Each 2 life our opponent loses is 1 less copy of tendrils we need.
CONS: 1) It's black, and quite a bit at that. We need 2 black mana to cast this thing. But, cards like Manamorphose , the Moxen that you have, Black Dual Lands, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or even just good old fashion Basic Swamp are all better than what you have right now. 16 Basics + 6 Basic Fetches is a lot for Modern. I know you're playing 100 cards, but that is still a lot. No Scalding Tarn s? No Fiery Islet s? Not even playing other duals? The Fast Lands, the Pain Lands, The Battle Lands, The Check Lands? All of these are not only but have black variants too.
PROS: 1) Cheaper, only needing to cast 2) Already in your colors / In the deck, so just needs more copies 3) Hits creatures to make way for creature damage to get through 4) Great support Card, makes Tendrils better by needing fewer copies and can chip away at a life total and help your creatures kill your opponent
CONS: 1) Really inefficient. You need to one-for-one your opponent's life total with StormCount™ if this is the MAIN win-con
PROS: 1) Cheap, needing to cast and already in your colors 2) Mill is a lot easier in Modern than Commander. Not only is every card our opponent draws good for us, but they only have ~60 cards to mill 3) Goes great with High Tide WHICH YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY BE PLAYING TO HELP YOUR AWFUL MANA
CONS: 1) Also pretty inefficient, milling 3 per StormCount™. However, unlike Grapeshot, players are constantly drawing cards and are probably drawing more than 1 per turn. 2) Completely dies to "Shuffle your graveyard into your library..." effects, so probably not a main win-con, but something to keep cards away from your opponents by milling them
PROS: 1) Very powerful at high storm count. Even with low storm count, if you can hit a Tendrils, a Grapeshot, or another Mind's Desire, then you can not only keep adding to the StormCount™ but kill your opponent 2) Adds to the StormCount™ because you cast the card
CONS: 1) A bit expensive mana-wise, but if you can be making mana with rituals or casting High Tide , then it's no problem
PROS: 1) On Color, Average cost 2) It makes a lot of creatures that can attack OR block. Also, unlike Awoken Horror , it is very hard to block all of them at once
CONS: 1) Summoning Sickness
CONCLUSION Read this if you only care about what I think of the deck and not on improvements
Honestly, the deck sucks. Aetherflux Reservoir is slow enough on its own, but the mana base, the support cards, and the number of cards make it even worse. With 100 cards, you can almost never get the pieces to fall into place right. You have very little card-draw and none of your cards replace themselves. You have to wait to at least turn 4 to cast Reservoir, and before that, you can't do anything. You can't cast your Memnite on turn 1 because that's less card to have on turn 4-5 when you have Aetherflux. Waiting until turn 4-5 to dump your hand of do-nothings is not the best. A hand dump of anything is probably not great, but in this deck of cards that don't replace themselves, it's extra bad. You'll almost never have enough cards after a hand dump. 1/3 of your deck is 0 mana artifacts. 1 card does anything on its own and you only have two copies of it. Mox Opal is the only card of the THIRD of your deck that does anything on its own. Mox Amber can only tap for mana if you have one of only FIVE legendary creatures/planeswalkers in play. With 100 cards, that never happens. Memnite and Ornithopter are never winning a game on their own in this deck. Darksteel Relic has no activated abilities. If Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia are 0 mana artifacts, then they also have no activated abilities. Paradise Mantle needs a creature. Spellbook does basically nothing because you aren't drawing cards. A lot of the other cards don't do anything either. I don't know why you are playing 100 cards if not a lot of them do things.
Unwinding Clock - What are you untapping that you need on your opponent's turn?
Isochron Scepter - a total of 12 cards and they are Vandalblast , which is NOT main-deck playable, Grapeshot , Rapid Hybridization , Dramatic Reversal , which, while it does untap the Sceptor, does very little in this deck, Cyclonic Rift , which can't be overloaded, and Retract , which bounces the Scepter and leaves Retract in exile. Not only is it rare to have an imprint target, but that target sucks.
Shimmer Myr - You don't need flash if you're doing everything on your turn
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant - You don't need its flip side
Now, a lot of these cards are 1-of's which is good. But there are cards that you have 1 of which are amazing. Most of them are legendary creatures, which drawing 2 of kinda sucks, but in 100 cards (which is still dumb) you'll never get them if you only have one copy
Urza, Lord High Artificer - Lets your do-nothing artifacts tap for ! Also, he gets you a creature that, with a lot of artifacts, can attack for lethal. ALSO, he has an activated ability which, with excess dumb artifacts, can keep you casting spells
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain - DRAWS YOU SO MANY CARDS!! Is also a 3/3
100 cards is a bad idea in general. Consistency is a big part of any format. Even with 100 cards, you can still up consistency. Splash for tutors, White or Black, to find the cards you need.
Sideboards are a thing and can have up to 15 cards. Put targeting removal like Vandalblast there instead of your main deck. The "hate" cards of MTG go in the sideboard
2 weeks ago
I am no competitive EDH player, but from what i can see a good start may be removing the 3cmc mana rocks that you are running with cheaper ones: Talisman of Creativity , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone are some you might want to consider. In cEDH are played a lot less lands than normal in favor of very cheap mana rocks like Mana Vault , Mana Crypt and Mox Opal .
Also if you really want to be competitive you surely will run all the cheap counters like Force of Will or Pact of Negation and also you will have to remove all the lands that enters the battlefield tapped with off-color fetches or with utility lands.
I do not know how much competitive you want your deck to be, but if you are a returning player and do not know about https://edhrec.com you want to check it out.
Hope to have helped.
1 month ago
Ok here my Goblin Deck:
Creatures, Goblins, 22:
2 Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin (3 cmc that permanent +1,+1 counter to itself every turn. and when attacks puts out a number of 1/1 goblins equal to uts power), not great by itself, but when its pumped is almost as good as Krenko Mob Boss, but cheaper 3 cmc, FASTER, doesnt TIE up mana like with Mob Boss, so actually better then 4 cmc Mob Boss.
4 Mox Opal
2,3,4 Wooded Foothills
2,3,4 Bloodstained Mire .
The general idea of how tgis deck works is:
Get goblins, creatures out FAST:
Either Kuldotha Rebirth either a Mox Opal, or a Memnite turn 1, or 2 memnites, 1 signal pest, or best ia 1 signal pest, 1, 2 memnites, 3 1/1 goblin tokens from rebirth.
Signal pest, or Wardriver, or Bushwhacker, or Chieftain,or Krenko Kingpin
Turn 3: kingpin, Rabblemaster, Piledriver, Goblin Grwnade
Turn 4: Rabblemaster, Piledriver, Kingpin, Goblin Grenade.
So this gets goblins out fast. Then pumps them up, then Krenko Kingpin, in addition to Kuldotha Rebirth puts out lots goblins that pump up Piledriver, Rabblemaster, STUPIDLY BIG.
So deck goes wide, and stupidly big, and fast, and removes threats, and uses the removal to burn, finiah opponents off.
Also on rare bad draws, can do 15 damage to opponent on turns 3,4 by Goblin Grenade, then Narset Reversal Copy it, for 10 damage then Genade goes back to hand, where I can recast it for 5 more damage for 15 total damage.
This also works great for destroying 10/10, 15/15 tramplers.
So here is a optimal draw, play.
Turn 1: 1,2 Memnites, 2 Mox Opal, use 1 Mox to Rebirth 3 1/1 goblins. 1 signal pest.
Board: 1 Pest, 1,2 Memnites, 3 1/1 goblins, 1 Mox Opal
Turn 2: Chieftain: everything attacks.
Board: 3, 3/2 goblin tokens, 1,2, 2/1 memnites, 1, 3/2 Chieftain. For 16 possible damage.
Turn 3: Kingpin, Pest.
Kingpin: +1 to 1/2 itself. 2/2. +1 +1 from Chieftan, 3/3, +1 from pest. 4/3. Kingpin makes 4, 1/1 goblins that hasted by Chieftain.
7 3/2 goblin tokens.
2, 2/1 memnites
1 3/2 Chieftan
1 4/3 Kingpin
32 max damage possible turn 3.
Turn 4: Piledriver, Wardriver.
Kingpin: +1 to itself, 3/3, +1 +1 from Chief, 4/4, +1 from Pest, 5/4, +1 from pest, 6/4, +1 from Wardriver, 7/4.
Kingpin makes 7, 1/1 goblins hasted, pumped by Chief.
7 + 7 more from kingpin =
14 5/2 goblin tokens, pumped by 2 pest, 1 Wardriver, 1 Chief
1 5/3 Wardriver
1 5/2 chieftain
1 7/4 kingpin
2, 4/1 memnites
2, 2/1 Pest
1 39/3 Piledriver
142 max possible damage turn 4.
1 month ago
- If you want to make a awesome goblin deck, that is FAST, you need to be willing to pay $75 to $100 to $150.
$50 against competition that is spending a lot more then that, isnt going to be competitive.
Unless the competition is also budget competition.
You can budget build deck in a way that allows to gradually, eventually budget build up to the $150 deck.
4 cmc is too much except for maybe 1, 2,3 of a 4 cmc, that is a semi finisher(AKA Krenko Mob Boss)
If going to put a 4 cmc in deck you need a ramp mechanic, either a goblin that produces mana or Mox Opal . While Mox Opals arent cheap, are expensive, you can still have 4 of them in your deck, and still only have your deck costing $150. And of course if you have Opals, in there then going to need artifacts to metalcraft Opal.
I know you like your raid enchantment, and building deck around it, but at 3 cmc, its bad. And here why:
You can achieve the same, better, best results thru PUMP, and there are creatures that Pump. Why do the 3 cmc Raid enchantment when can use those slots for either goblins that pump other goblins,creatures, or for things like Goblin Grenade .
Any good tribal goblin aggro, speed deck will do the following:
Get Goblins, creatures out FAST. Go WIDE, so that cant get blocked, get em thru.
PUMP them up.
Remove threats, related to point 8 about going wide.
Have your removal also do burn to help finish off opponents.
There is little to almost no difference between 22,23 creatures and 30 creatures, in game play terms.
Either way your going to get lots of goblins out, because your going to draw lots of goblins, creature cards.
The difference is that the 21,22,23,24 creature, goblin cards allows you to put non creature things like:
Lightning Bolts, Goblin Grenades, etc.
Your goblin deck doesnt follow the basic guideline, and is not as fast, effective as could be.
My Goblin deck does follow these guidelines, and is effective, and wins on turns 2,3,4. If doesnt win by, on turn 4, at usual latest, then wins turns 5,6 at latest.
Deck can also go midrange, late game with 50/5 Goblins on board on turns 4,5,6,7.
Deck has done a max damage of 429 damage by, on turn 5.
My Goblin deck only cost about $137 mid price(If shop around)
Not saying you have to build your deck exactly same, etc, like my goblin deck, but my deck should ve a good example of the basic guidelines, principles that talking about. And the deck will probably give you help ideas.
I also recommend that you follow at least about 33% to 50% to 67% of my deck, and follow 75% to 75% to 95% of the basic ideas of my deck of getting goblins out fast, pumping them up, removing threats, etc.
My Goblin deck is at another site, but in process of moving it here to this site.
So I will just post whats in deck, etc, in another comment here.
1 month ago
You could just replace an island. It just gives a few synergies for things like Unwinding Clock , Mox Opal , Academy Ruins , Tezzeret the Seeker , Urza's construct, etc. Though I did not notice Back to Basics which would be anti-synergy
Mox Opal occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.23%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
WUB (Esper): 0.36%