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Maralen of the Mornsong Discussion
1 day ago
Maralen of the Mornsong can force your opponent to trigger Ob every turn >:3 not to mention you can fetch whatever win con tickles your fancy
4 days ago
Amazing simplicity in it's deadliest form. I love it! Though, I might have gone with Maralen of the Mornsong rather than Sidisi.
1 week ago
I have a B/G EDH deck that runs a Maralen of the Mornsong and I was wondering what cards I could use to prevent the life loss. I already have a Platinum Emperion but it would be nice to know some alternative cards to use. Thanks in advance.
Here is the deck if anyone is interested, Gilt-Leaf is gonna leaf you mad
1 week ago
So for my B/G EDH deck, I run a Maralen of the Mornsong and I was wondering if there were any cards I could use that would negate the life loss from her ability. I already have a Platinum Emperion but it would be great if I could find another card or two that could work well. Thank you.
Here is the deck if you are interested, Gilt-Leaf is gonna leaf you mad
1 week ago
Well, your commander choice depends on what sort of play you're looking for in the deck
Sheoldred, Whispering One can be a fun commander. You won't make any friends, but it's solid for a reanimator or sacrifice deck.
I really like Seizan, Perverter of Truth because it is a politically interesting card. Have folks draw cards at the expense of life, then punish them for their greed (I'm planning to build a deck around this card On Sanity's Edge)
I toyed with a Horobi, Death's Wail deck for a while. Could be a fun budget deck if you want to keep the board clear.
Ghoulcaller Gisa is there if you like zambos and tokens.
From there you can find a lot of your other synergies. Check out the combos listed here and the suggestions over on edhrec.
2 weeks ago
this sounds like such a great combo format I love it.
3 weeks ago
Fertilid works quite well with this combo, forcing your opponent to search their library or getting you the lands you need. I have a similar deck that I've been updating, gave up on Maralen of the Mornsong because it would only allow my opponent to get removal for my combo parts, making casting maralen really situational. Here's the deck if you're interested: It is da Witchin' hour!
1 month ago
Ok so I am a lot more awake and less drunk than I was when replying last night. Looking back over your suggestions, some make more sense and others make even less. Maybe I missed something in the description but here we go.
- -3 Whip of Erebos
- -2 Inquisition of Kozilek
- -3 Duress
- -1 Claws of Gix
- -2 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
- -2 Phyrexian Arena
- -3 Zombie Infestation
- +4 Goryo's Vengeance
- +1 Darksteel Citadel
- +4 Time of Need
- +4 Thoughtseize
- +4 Raven's Crime
- +4 Phyrexian Obliterator
- +4 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
From these suggestions I go from 10 non-Grizzlebro Devotion sources to 0. Which seems bad for a deck attempting to capitalize on Devotion.
Assuming you feel that Devotion is a bad MB plan, (which I understand as I am attempting to essentially meld 2 different combo decks) your suggestions remove all chances of ramping in early game toward a Grizzlebrand and require me to have a discard source and a reanimation spell. I my current build I had a series of options on how GB enters play, but reduced down to 2 as playtesting proved the Nyx route to be fairly consistent.
When the current version was still in infancy I was attempting to achieve 2 things:
- Duplicate the functionality of TF style combo without too many moving pieces.
- Eliminate the 'glass cannon' effect of other less stable builds.
In other versions I did focus on adaptability in combo pieces that could also be used aggressively. One version focused almost exclusively on Piracy/Funeral Charm for its discard engine coupled with Faithless Looting (of course). This used the same technique as you described with Raven's Crime, which I actually find intriguing. I did some testing and with careful manipulation I can use this method. Only problem I see with it is an extremely unlikely scenario where I don't have enough life to draw and all of them are shuffled back into the deck with an Emrakul shuffle trigger. That and the removal of Infestation.
Infestation gives me the stability that I needed to survive longer and have another out in the case of whiffing. It removes the glass cannon effect. If I whiff I still have tons of cards, but little life. Zombie Infestation allows me to invest in a horde of zombies (that have lifelink with Whip!).
While the other method described will work, I feel it has a lower rate of success based on consistency and the glass cannon effect. One of the reasons that TF does well in Legacy is the redundancy of the reanimate effects. Most builds run 10-12 (all in the sub 3 CMC range) with 8 of them able to target Emrakul. Modern is limited in the instant range to 1 type in this range, so a total of 4 does not for good consistency make. At 4 CMC we have Makeshift Mannequin, which does find and work well with both main reanimator targets, but at 4 it isn't really fast enough, even in Modern.
"It looks to me like you need a Griselbrand in play, a few artifacts in play, and a Zombie Infestation in play in order for it to work. And to get out Griselbrand you need devotion and Nykthos, or you need to dump him into the graveyard and reanimate with Whip of Erebos."
This isn't entirely accurate. The artifacts in play don't necessarily have to be in play at the time of first draw with GB, neither does the Infestation. If I am ricking a healthy Nyx activation and have hardcasted GB and activate, I am usually able to hit 2 activations based on current life total. If I've dropped a Gary earlier and am over 22 life, I can dig 3 times. While digging if I have a land-drop left or hit enough artifacts+opals or have 2 mana and a Pentad Prism and a child, I'm good. Likelihood of hitting one of those combinations in 21 cards is pretty high, but with Infestation I have an out if I don't.
As for removal of the Arenas, I have an issue with card draw in the early to mid game and needed something that boosted my card advantage and I figured that bumping up the Devotion wouldn't hurt. Not sure what to put in it's place really if we were to take it out. It is a little slow, but I'm not sure what would be faster in the Modern environment.
I considered the following:
Dark Prophecy is interesting, but requires additional pieces to really work well. Maralen has obvious drawbacks, but targeted discard can possibly make up for it. Works well with Time of Need.Phyrexian Etchings is I think one of the better alternatives as it generates more mana potentially and can generate a lot of card superiority.Seizan works well with Time of Need, but costs a little much.Waste Not is a truck. I've seen it do amazing things, but without discard spells it is a little lackluster.
Ornithopters are a decent suggestion, I will look into them. Raven's Crime are an interesting idea as well, and I will look into them.
|Power / Toughness||2/3|
|Avg. draft pick||1.38|
|Avg. cube pick||13.45|
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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- Maralen of the Mornsong + Mindlock Orb
- Beacon of Tomorrows + Lich + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Stranglehold
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Teferi's Puzzle Box
- Exquisite Blood + Maralen of the Mornsong + Sanguine Bond
- Hex Parasite + Maralen of the Mornsong + Soul Conduit
- Archive Trap + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Archive Trap + Bloodchief Ascension + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Seizan, Perverter of Truth
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Shimmer Myr + Teferi's Puzzle Box
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Necropotence
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Ob Nixilis, Unshackled + Sorin Markov + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Platinum Emperion
- Aven Mindcensor + Maralen of the Mornsong + Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
- Isochron Scepter + Maralen of the Mornsong + Shadow of Doubt
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Ob Nixilis, Unshackled + Teferi's Puzzle Box
- Liliana's Specter + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Ad Nauseam + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Teferi's Puzzle Box + Maralen of the Mornsong
- Maralen of the Mornsong + Psychogenic Probe
- Leonin Arbiter + Maralen of the Mornsong