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Creature — Human Warrior
Haste When Zealous Conscripts enters the battlefield, untap target permanent and gain control of it until end of turn. It gains haste until end of turn.
Zealous Conscripts Discussion
2 weeks ago
BrianGiraffe all solid recommendations! I threw this deck together in a few minutes and there's tons of room for work but I still want the overall goal(s) to be a) have a blast Genesis Wave -ing and b) hitting Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Zealous Conscripts off of the Genesis Wave. I'll take your suggestions into consideration.
Asinclair85 Had no idea! Guess I have a free spot open now, haha.
2 weeks ago
TwinStags Here are the cards you want opinions: Oblation Stuffy Doll Silverclad Ferocidons Crack the Earth Misguided Rage ( Phalanx Leader Anax and Cymede tokens with Young Pyromancer Launch the Fleet Monastery Mentor Akroan Crusader Vanguard of Brimaz ) Goblinslide Tenth District Legionnaire Burning Prophet and I'll give you my opinions.
Oblation : This is a great card! For 2 and a White you exile a token and get TWO LANDS!! VALUE!! Until you run out of basic lands to fetch. Then you're getting rid of 1 creature threat at a cost of giving two lands to only ONE of your opponents. ChibiNature's explanation for getting rid of Oblation is higher up on this thread. But Oblation only does so much for 3 CMC. Compare to other spells that is in this deck, that is also 3 CMC, Oblation is a clear choice to cut. BUT, if you are going the TOKEN route for your EDH deck then this is good. Not great, only good.
Stuffy Doll Silverclad Ferocidons : These two are basically the same effect, hurt them and they hurt our opponent. So the question becomes 'How many 'Direct Damage' spells are we going to run? The answer: Not enough. These two cards do not justify the amount of direct damage spells we need to run to kill our opponents.
Crack the Earth Misguided Rage : These cards have no synergy with Feather, the Redeemed , there is no value because we can't replay these cards unless we do graveyard recursion which is a host of other cards that is NOT in Boros colors.
Phalanx Leader Anax and Cymede tokens with Young Pyromancer Launch the Fleet Monastery Mentor Akroan Crusader Vanguard of Brimaz ) Goblinslide : This is actually a good idea, make a bunch of tokens and just spew all over our opponents faces. This is probably the 2nd best way to play Feather, the Redeemed . It does need a lot of setup and luck in drawing your creatures and spells. I can see an aggro deck that snowballs very fast. You'll be enemy #1 very fast. But can you bounce back after a boardwipe? How many turns will it take for you to rebuild your army of tokens? What about the balance of number of creatures to number of pump spells? How are you going to protect your tokens from being wiped?
Tenth District Legionnaire Burning Prophet : Scrying is nice. Drawing is better. For example you cast a spell onto Tenth District Legionnaire and you scry and decide to keep that card on the top. What happens to the next spell you cast onto Tenth District Legionnaire . If it is a pump spell, then it's better to cast it onto Zada, Hedron Grinder and pump ALL your tokens instead of only Tenth District Legionnaire . The same argument goes for Burning Prophet as well. My opinion is that Burning Prophet is better than Tenth District Legionnaire
You are missing two other ways to play Feather, the Redeemed . Have you looked into Flicker playstyle using Cloudshift and Otherworldly Journey ? Have you seen Zealous Conscripts and Stonehorn Dignitary ? Imagine casting Cloudshift onto Stoneforge Mystic ! ProTip: Use Zealous Conscripts to grab an enemy creature, then cast Cloudshift onto the creature you stole... that creature is now yours until it dies, not until end of turn!
3 weeks ago
ChibiNature Thank you for you fast response.
I don't really like Stonehorn Dignitary all that much, but I haven't thought of a replacement yet.
Zealous Conscripts is great in that it steals ANY permanent (Planeswalker, Enchantment, ... and especially opponent's special lands). I pair this with High Market that I fetch with Weathered Wayfarer . Miren, the Moaning Well might work but it takes 3 colorless to activate it... too expensive.
Turns out I like the instant resolve of flicker effects better than the ones that come back at End phase such as Otherworldly Journey .
1 month ago
And yeah when I was making cuts. I dropped Zealous Conscripts because of the 5 cmc... Thats a bit heavy. Thats why I kept in the Village Bell-Ringer because he is 4 cmc and while thats still a bit much, its more manageable than 5 and they essentially combo the same way. with Goblin Bombardment , Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Adarkar Valkyrie .
Those are very good arguments for Mother of Runes . I know someone may have already asked you this but, so why do you go 4cmc Mother of Runes over 2 cmc Flickering Ward which allows you to protect the creature AND protect itself by flickering it (and also in general, is harder to remove than a creature)?
1 month ago
You are right, thinking about it, the shock lands entering tapped is a replacement effect, so Angel of Jubilation doesn't care about those.
Arid Mesa and Marsh Flats didn't get reprinted, but there are other cheaper ones like Flooded Strand I bought them when they were $8 now they are going insane again, also Polluted Delta is reprinted, as well as Windswept Heath and Wooded Foothills . Wooded Foothills can only pull Mountain but if you use it to pull a Blood Crypt or Sacred Foundry it's still quite good.
Leyline of the Void price is ridiculous wow.
Rakdos the Defiler can make it so he's not casting Meren of Clan Nel Toth losing half their lands, and other permanents. You can always sacrifice the Rakdos the Defiler to his Plaguecrafter or other crew. It took me a very long time to get him into my deck, I kept holding on to creatures like Aurelia, the Warleader . I think he's very cheap, give him a try. Remember that when he enters the battlefield "tapped and attacking" his "when he attacks" ability doesn't trigger, you just get the benefit of the "when he deals damage". Sometimes, I know it seems crazy, I sac half my permanents and attack, in 1v1, people find it hard dealing with a 7/6 Flying Trample timer when every permanent they play is lost (remember he is a Demon permanent so he doesn't sac himself).
Zealous Conscripts is good on his own which makes him nice, my issue with him is the CMC5, its too slow for cEDH usually.
Also, Mother of Runes , one of her awesome powers is that I give Kaalia of the Vast protection from the color of the flying blocker that's going to kill her so she can't be blocked, or give her protection before damage to save her, or give her instant protection. Doesn't help with Sacrifice though (except that you can sacrifice the Mother of Runes to protect Kaalia of the Vast .
Overall very cool build, lot's of fun synergies in there.
1 month ago
Hey Spirits, so yeah all the combos you mentioned that I have I took directly from your decktech. I simply cannot do some of your super fast combos so I looked at your alternate combos section and essentially went for the ones that have a lot of the same cards involved such as: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , Adarkar Valkyrie , and Goblin Bombardment and sort of just ran with those. So the reason why I like Mark of Fury is because of its reusability. I believe one of my buddies in my playgroup uses 1 or 2 ( Anguished Unmaking & Assassin's Trophy ) cards for instant speed, target permanent removal so I think it being in danger until EOT isn't too bad, and with Grand Abolisher out, its totally safe.
I use Reliquary Tower just in case I find myself with a boat load of cards and not wanting to discard them; but perhaps I will consider cutting it.
Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds are the same card with different names. I only run 1 just to be certain that at least by the 2nd turn I should have most of my colors. I have 1 of the fetches in there ( Bloodstained Mire , but Arid Mesa and Marsh Flats are just outa my magic budget at the moment.
Your right about Reflecting Pool , honestly should pick one of those up before they go any higher. I do wanna wait to see what gets reprinted in Modern Horizons before I make any big purchases though.
And yeah Leyline of the Void is great... but WAY to pricey for me right now lol.
And yes... Angel of Jubilation scares me. I think I may play test her a couple of times and see if i can balance and control when she is on the field and when I need to do the things she won't allow. and I believe your right with how it works. it WOULD shut of things like fetches, Necropotence , and Phyrexian Reclamation . but yeah I think shocklands are fine because it is part of it resolving, not an activation cost.
Yes Angel of Despair is better but not against a recursion deck like Meren of Clan Nel Toth . Essentially I need to prevent him from sacking his stuff to make us sack ours; or exile it once the threat has entered the battlefield so it STAYS GONE. going to the graveyard is just not good enough.... Honestly, it's kind of why i Wanna Lord of the Void . Because not only do i get to take some of his stuff, but I'm also exiling his stuff in the process.
Mother of Runes IS great, I considered her for a moment. But much of what I'm up against is untargetted removal. where IIIIII am being forced to sack MY permanents or the board is being wiped. it's brutal lol. So i ended up cutting her.
Hall of the Bandit Lord is on my "to buy" list but... too $$$.
I was 50/50 on Rakdos the Defiler . It seems decent but if im in for the long haul for the game, I dont wanna be sacking my angels and dragons cuz of him.
Zealous Conscripts are right on the cusp of staying in. I just need to figure out what to cut.
Thanks for the help with this. you have been a TREMENDOUS help :)
1 month ago
Looking good. Mark of Fury is okay, but has to survive till EOT. I hate 1 removal giving a 2 for 1. Maybe double up on your Expedite with Crimson Wisps . I like it better because it can still draw you an A/D/D to cast with the haste Kaalia of the Vast .
I see your playing Terramorphic Expanse , there's definitely other better fetch lands, but don't forget about Evolving Wilds . I don't recommend either because I hate tapped mana (except Bojuka Bog ).
Obviously Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Restoration Angel or Village Bell-Ringer go infinite, but there is also Combat Celebrant and Zealous Conscripts as well, but of course relies on the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker quite heavily.
Also, not sure if you've mapped out all your Infinite combos, but don't forget you have:
Tainted Pact is an inexpensive (and instant) speed tutor, the problem is, you can't have any duplicate lands in your deck (even duplicate basic lands) so that's where it gets expensive. There's also Demonic Consultation if your a gambler lol, damn those top 6, it's also instant so can pull a Master of Cruelties if Kaalia of the Vast triggered ability gets on the stack, tutor for the killer.
You may want Crucible of Worlds , it works best with all the fetches like Windswept Heath , Wooded Foothills all the fetch lands, but also is awesome with Strip Mine or Wasteland ($$$). If you have Crucible of Worlds + a Fetch land, basically can filter out all the mana from the deck (while ramping) so when you draw it's usually favorable. I've contemplated it over Chromatic Lantern but don't have one to test, although reasonably priced since reprint.
I have similar worries around Cartouche of Zeal (2 for 1), but when you need haste you need it. I like Leyline of the Void more than Tormod's Crypt , Relic of Progenitus for sure, since it's a lasting effect and CMC0 in opening hand, and prevents the Experience from getting earned at all. But they are ok at the job. Relic of Progenitus would be amazing if it could target the card, but it has more utility than Tormod's Crypt anyway even with the downside.
Be careful with Angel of Jubilation he shuts down your deck too, like Goblin Bombardment , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Necropotence , Phyrexian Reclamation , Diabolic Intent (might be wrong on this one would have to check the rule book on additional costs), Mana Confluence , Bloodstained Mire (or any Fetch).
Maybe Blood Crypt / Godless Shrine / Sacred Foundry probably enter tapped too (again this one would have to read the rulebook too, not sure if that's considered paying a cost to "activate abilities" probably not because it doesn't have the : symbol on it.
City of Brass is another good multi-color mana asource.
Terminus is a terrific way of getting rid of all those recurring creatures too (unless he can sac them all in response somehow).
I might have mentioned before, Angel of Despair is far superior to someone like Angel of Jubilation unless she's solving a specific pod problem for disruption to your deck. Hellkite Tyrant is hand if you play artifact decks like Breya, Etherium Shaper or Teferi, Temporal Archmage .
Mother of Runes can give protection if your facing Targeted removal.
Some ideas anyway, the reprinted fetches like Windswept Heath are fairly cheap still (I think).
1 month ago
I'm glad my two cents worth could help your decision. I didn't realize how good Rhythm would be in Thromak until holding a freshly pulled copy in my hand, wondering if any of my decks wanted it. As soon as I thought of the hungry hellion, I was super stoked. I haven't actually gotten to play with the deck since adding it, but I expect it will be useful.
Earlier suggestions included effects that steal opponents' creatures; I run several myself. However, all I run are sorceries ( Insurrection , Mass Mutiny , Mob Rule ) and an instant ( Grab the Reins , which also can also be a second Fling ). Captivating Crew sounds like a great idea, and one I might try to work into my build. Other creature - based options include Zealous Conscripts , Conquering Manticore and Molten Primordial , but they're much more mana intensive. Since you're thinking about using elves to ramp anyway, this might not be an issue for you.
While searching up creatures that stole those of your opponents, Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor popped up. I think this may be a card for us both to consider, as it gives creatures upon death and plays nicely with trample.
I second the suggestion of Awakening Zone and From Beyond as repeatable sources of mana or sac fodder, as need be. I run both, though I have no targets for the tutor effect on the latter. (Well, I mean, Blisterpod , technically, but I don't foresee myself searching that up too often...).
I hadn't thought about turning lands to creatures so they can feed Thromak, but that's something I'll have to look into. I run Dryad Arbor for that purpose; not sure why I didn't think about Living Lands , etc.
Zealous Conscripts occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
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All decks: 0.04%