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Creature — Human Warrior
Haste When Zealous Conscripts enters the battlefield, untap target permanent and gain control of it until end of turn. It gains haste until end of turn.
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Zealous Conscripts Discussion
4 days ago
So the immediate problem I see is that you're trying to run legendary and non-legendary cards together as a theme, while I think it can work just fine, it'll be very difficult to fit a tertiary theme, and it will be finicky sometimes because they will kinda of grind against each other. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker only works with non-legendary creatures. If you get a few non-legendary creatures out with Jalira, Master Polymorphist and have Heroes' Podium it's going to feel kind of bad, but it'll feel pretty good to have a it with a bunch of legends. Mirari's Wake might fit better for you.
SO relatively, I only added white pretty recently and I only have 5 white cards. Felidar Guardian because it's basically twin combo with Saheeli Rai, but also works with Kiki-Jiki, Restoration Angel I view as a protection spell that just happens to work with Kiki-Jiki. Tamiyo, Field Researcher (combos with Doubling Season and is good value), Anointed Procession (more Doubling Season/Parallel Lives effects), and Teferi's Protection (should be in every deck that can run it as it protects from Cyclonic Rift).
So if I hadn't changed this deck recently I could probably use some of your ideas and then I'd put in Village Bell-Ringer but I don't actually have a reason to just untap most creatures for just value if I need to, having only 5 creatures with Untap abilities anymore, and they are more just either combos themselves or combo protection. Say if I have Tidewater Minion and Kiora's Follower and I go to combo off with Minion and someone just Doom Blade's it I can use Follower to untap Minion and then just float literally billions of mana, here I could use Village Bell-ringer and it'd be the same thing, but Kiora's Follower can untap land for me as well, Bell-ringer can't normally, for me. So if you have more activated abilities Bell-ringer will work for you, and I'd also recommend Thousand-Year Elixir and Illusionist's Bracers if you're not already running them.
I don't play cards that can give my opponents value. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis is the only thing I run basically just for colors. I have to be in a tight spot in order to actually cast it, and it should be a partner commander combination but I had been at such a loss of what even to take out of the deck in order to get a partner combination in here. So I don't play cards like Selvala, Explorer Returned because she gives too much value to opponent's, and again I don't even play K&T unless I have to and I'd rather have partner commanders.
Just make sure all your Twin combo targets can do other things, like, I don't run Breaching Hippocamp because it doens't provide enough for me, while others like Zealous Conscripts can just take someone's Planeswalker and ult them or someone else's kiki-jiki and win, I've used Deceiver Exarch to tap down Blightsteel Colossus and prevent an attack. Interactions.
1 week ago
@ JMCraig lol, you sound so beleaguered in that last comment. You don't have to run it if you don't want too, I've just been in a mood for debate over the past few days and I thought the whole Grapeshot thing was worth discussing. Sorry if I've been a pain.
I'm putting my money where my mouth is and included Grapeshot in my own deck to test it out. Spellseeker isn't as great in my list because I don't own copies of Sylvan Tutor or Gamble. I took out Birthing Pod, Zealous Conscripts and an Island for Spellseeker, Grapeshot, and Pact of Negation just to see how things work out.
My current results are that I don't actually see Grapeshot much. I had it in an opening hand during one test, and it offered the possibility of sniping a couple mana dorks if I wanted to cast it early to slow opponents down. Choosing to hold on to it, it ended up being a backup win-con because having Ancient Ziggurat in play meant that I wasn't able to squeeze out both the Grapeshot and an Eldritch Evolution for Statue in the same turn. You could blame that on Grapeshot for not being a creature, but I've always had issues with Ancient Ziggurat due to those sorts of situations so I guess you could cast judgment either way.
Other than that though, I haven't actually drawn into Grapeshot in any of my tests thus far. It is the same thing like with all the other cards in the deck that aren't part of the usual tutor chains, they tend to end up in statistical limbo where they only seem to pop up on odd occasions unless you specifically tutor for them. On the upside, never drawing Grapeshot means that it is never a dead draw.
1 week ago
Karmic Guide + Reveillark + Any sac outlet is infinite leaves and enters the battlefield triggers, plus whatever bonus you get for the sacrifice. Alternatively Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker goes infinite with a ton of things, like Restoration Angel or Zealous Conscripts
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
I agree that Birthing Pod is a bit clunky, but it is also a card that your opponents have to answer quickly. A lot of Animar's utility creatures are at 2 CMC, creatures that tutor are at 3 CMC, and combo cards are at 4 and 5 CMC. If you can cast and activate the Pod on the same turn, you are likely to be advancing your board state in a significant manner. Running Kiki combo means that you can go straight from a 2 CMC creature to Pestermite, untap the Pod, then trade in the Pestermite for either Glen Elendra Archmage or Ancestral Statue all in one turn. The Archmage also gains extra utility in that you can use Pod twice on the same turn to grab Zealous Conscripts (used to untap Pod) and Kiki. If Spellseeker is in the deck, you would also be able to Pod into Spellseeker to grab Glimpse of Nature or a counterspell, and then Pod Spellseeker into Ancestral Statue the next turn to hopefully win.
Pod is still a bit situational though, and if I cut the Conscripts then I think that I would lose about half the reason to run Pod. That's why the both of them are high on my "Possible Cuts" list.
And regarding Cloudstone Curio; while I agree that it is difficult to tutor for, I don't really see it as a card with much baggage. You don't need morph creatures in the deck for it, because cards like Cloud of Faeries, Peregrine Drake, and Beastcaller Savant can set up infinite loops with it as well. But it is still a card mostly dependent on Animar to achieve infinite combos, so if you are looking for a fast combo that doesn't need Animar as a component then the Curio doesn't help much in that regard.
If you see the Curio as a "sacred cow" in the deck and opt to remove it, you may also have to look at Peregrine Drake as well. Peregrine Drake is fantastic as a type of "ritual" effect in Animar and can net you ridiculous amounts of mana, but it looses a significant part of its win potential without Curio. So if you label the Curio as a Sacred Cow, then I think you'll have to do the same for Peregrine Drake.
3 weeks ago
I wasn't trying to push for Kiki's inclusion in this list but I stand by my decision to keep it in mine. Like I said though, I'm completely aware that my decision to do so is based mostly on my own deck-building biases.
I think that Eldritch Evolution was a huge boon to making Kiki more viable in Animar. It tipped the scales in my decision on whether or not to keep the combo package in. I also like the support that Birthing Pod and Zealous Conscripts offer Kiki, but they are high on my "possible cuts" list.
I've had to put it off for a while now, but once I'm able to get my hands on a Sylvan Tutor I plan on revising and restructuring my deck more.
3 weeks ago
Zealous Conscripts can grab any permanent.
Insurrection is mass creature theft
Paradox Engine could let you really go off if you string together enough snatching spells
4 weeks ago
Thanks for the insight! Mostly my reasoning for playing those oddities are because he draws a lot of hate right out of the get go. If you drop Animar, Soul of Elements 2nd turn on curve, chances are people are gonna put a target on your head. I found in my play group, and the few local card shops, people stopped wanting to play against me because my most effective combo was the Animar, Soul of Elements + Walking Ballista (Though I have about 5 other decks) So, my means to appease the masses was to include Hangarback Walker, so it's an alternative. Also, the reasons why the evasion type cards, is due to the raw number of times I've played this deck only to find they exile my Ancestral Statue on the first cast, so I go for the Commander damage rout, which is not preferable but it means I needed to adapt to a more combat based deck. I included these utility based creatures so I can minimize my weaknesses, hence why 54 creatures and 95% of them are some sort of digger.
Also, I'm not a huge fan of blue control aspect through means of straight up counter spells, and I'm running Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Zealous Conscripts in my Aurelia, the Warleader (3 infinite combos) deck. :P
All in all, my purpose in this deck after playing it dozens and dozens of times is to either go off turn 3, 4 or 5 allowing the circumstances, or drop some sort of other threat to give myself a little more time to pull together my resources.
ALSO, My buddy was playing Kaliaa of the Vast and dropped a Magus of the Moat, right after I went infinite because he flashed it out with Vedalken Orrery Hence why the utility creatures and evasion like Wind Dancer. Fuck Magus of the Moat
Also I say also a lot. But thank you again for your insight, I really appreciate it!