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Creature — Human Warrior
Haste When Zealous Conscripts enters the battlefield, untap target permanent and gain control of it until end of turn. It gains haste until end of turn.
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Zealous Conscripts Discussion
2 days ago
I don't love: Mardu Woe-Reaper or Urabrask the Hidden, Radiant Destiny and Adaptive Automaton also seem a bit low impact. I've never loved single +1/+1 boosts in Commander they always seem to never matter.
At the very least, I think you should be running Bramblewood Paragon over those, since it's a 2 drop that triggers Najeela. I ran Decorated Champion in my Najeela deck. It's not great, but it's a 2 drop warrior and you do need a critical mass of those. Zealous Conscripts is another card I love that happens to be a warrior. I'd also definitely run Stonehewer Giant. If you do, I think that makes Sunforger worth running.
4 days ago
I mention Sidisi, Undead Vizier in my notable exclusions like you said it's a good fit if you don't have Demonic/Vampiric.
I'm not running Mana Confluence simply because I haven't felt like spending $10 on it. it would definitely be a good call.
For similar reasons as you mentioned I didn't bother with Disciple of Bolas plus, between various other card draw sources I haven't really needed him. Necropotence etc... plus at CMC4 he is competing with a lot of other cards.
Haste isn't super important for me since i've tried to build in a lot of ways to get counters outside of combat, but i think it would fit well if you were running more of a battle cruiser value deck.
Threaten and etc... is a popular way to build marchesa and definitely has a good support structure. I opted to go a different route though and as you can see i went a lot more aristocrats based. a low power big fatties battle cruiser meta will probably find a lot of success with an Act of Treason focused list though.
let me know if you want any feedback on other cards, I've tested or considered cards in most sets that are released.
1 week ago
There are a number of things I'd consider a bit underwhelming, either for the format or for how Brudiclad plays. For example, in my experience you don't want to rush your commander out in this case - he is best played on or a turn before you are going to swing city, so the Loyal Drake and Apprentice don't get you as much value in practice as in theory. Similarly Geode Golem, you want B-man in before combat not after.
If you are looking for Fireball or BSZ to be an alternative win condition - drop in a Rings of Brighthearth for your Basalt Monolith to be infinite BFFs with! There options for direct damage that are better when you don't have the mana combo online too, like Comet Storm or Jaya's Immolating Inferno, maybe Banefire depending on your playgroup. Another infinite combo is to use a Zealous Conscripts for Kiki-Jiki to play with.
Other stuff I'm not jazzed with would be:
- Mind Stone
- Mind's Eye (does nothing in multiples, is mana intensive, and blue should be able to do 'draw' better)
- Chief of the Foundry (what's another +1/+1 when you're turning a million of your guys into 6/12 tramplers or 6/6 flying dragons)
- Pia Nalaar's buffs are also pretty limited.
- OG Jhoira has very little to do with the strategy as far as I can see, other than you can cheat some of your fatties in - but then you need more clone spells to get tokens of them that you can copy, Quasiduplicate, Fated Infatuation and as previously said, Cackling Counterpart.
- Also you can't copy Ulamog effectively unless you are using Helm of the Host so something like Bane of Bala Ged which can gobble up those clone spells may even be better.
Tawnos is a borderline one, he's only good some of the time but I do like that he can double up Mimic Vat or Mirrorworks (could be a good add). Tamiyo's Journal and Kuldotha Forgemaster are excellent as a producer and user respectively of your overactive artifact factory.
OK, I've said loads, hope you think it's somewhat helpful. I'd love your and others counterpoints too. Here is my +1 and especially for including Shared Animosity - that is nifty!
1 week ago
"Battered Golem + Splinter Twin or Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker = As many golems as you want."battered golem combo only works with splinter twin not kiki-jiki.
Zealous Conscripts works with the two of them though :)
"March of the Machines + Myr Landshaper + Dross Scorpion = Destroy all opponents lands, while keeping your own."
Liquimetal Coating also works with dross scorpion and march of the machines
also i know it is an older thread but the new niv-mizzet is better for this deck (keep the old one as one of the 99
1 week ago
LOL, yeah, I ask a lot, all at once. But damn really? That's interesting..same name, lots of similar cards...But ok.
Yeah, makes sense. Metallic Mimic does some work..indeed.
I like River Kelpie because he draws when other people do graveyard stuff. True, but in a heavy creature meta Clique is pretty good. Not Amazing!, but pretty good.
Yeahhhh, I would definitely give Vigean Graftmage another try. When he comes out people always anticipate what's gonna happen and then you see the "oh, ohhh, Ohhhhhhhh" face after they read it lol
Completely agree! Razaketh is great, it's one of the non-free sac outlets that I actually loved in this deck because the 2 life can matter...but yeah, 8 AND triple Black can be difficult. Or, you're just playing that and doing nothing else that turn which feels bad.
Thanks man, I appreciate that :)
I just checked out the list you posted and I like the changes you've made: Phantasmal Image - not a change, but clones are awesome and I might add him. Imperial Recruiter - tutors are always great. Chasm Skulker - I had it in my first build, cut it, and now I realize just having blockers in this deck is awesome because your life gets dangerously low sometimes. Chaos Warp - great in general Last One Standing - seems really good, cheaper boardwipe. Ever backfire though? Midnight Reaper - def have to try this out, I just put in Harvester of Souls after having it for a while and this seems like a cheaper version. Shifting Shadow - seems like a powerhouse if no one catches on and removes it lol I've wanted to add this for quite a while. Glen Elendra Archmage - awesome with Mikaeus lol I'm sure you know. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip - I'm not a huge fan of that 7 mana cost to flip honestly, but, the effects do seem somewhat worth it. Sakashima the Impostor - I would have thought this is really good in Marchesa..no? Anger - I can understand that. I sometimes forget you need a mountain. Zealous Conscripts - I actually also took this out from my starting build. It didn't do much for me when people play small creatures and often just drew hate since people thought I ran the Kiki combo... Scourge of the Throne - I actually really like this card, but haven't played it much to have an opinion on it, but when I have, it hasn't done the amount of work I expected it too sadly. Consecrated Sphinx - seems great. I may test this out, I need more draw in my list. No Rune-Scarred Demon? - have you ever tested him out? I like the way it plays most times.
LANDS: I need a Hall of the Bandit Lord though, seems good.
Good on you for putting every fetch land though! I haven't invested That much money into my Marchesa landbase, but I should. Personally, personally, I don't think the OG duals are worth their cost in any deck lol - maybe when they were cheaper and I got a scrubland for my Teysa deck at $60, but now each being minimum $100?.. meh.. But I know everyone has different opinions on them.
Overall though, I really like the look of your list - it seems solid!
1 month ago
Thanks for the kind words! I really enjoy Sek as a lands pilot, and have been running him for years now, though the evolution into a lands build really started maybe a year ago now. When Lord Windgrace was printed I briefly flirted with the idea of transitioning him, but ultimately I really like how Sek plays out so I left him in. He offers the opportunity to play a grindy lands style game for 10 turns and then flip the switch and kill the table out of nowhere.
Zealous Conscripts is somewhat of a holdover from when I had Birthing Pod in the deck, and is basically always up for consideration when I’m looking for cuts. He’s survived for so long largely because I find the effect is incredibly unique and powerful, even as a one shot deal. The ability to steal anything is just solid.
1 month ago
Love the deck. Never thought to run Sek as a lands general as I've mostly seen Lord Windgrace as the go-to nowadays.
If I may ask, does Zealous Conscripts serve any greater purpose other than stealing a random permanent which you may or may not be able to sacrifice?
1 month ago
Really, unless you can win instantly after casting Enter the Infinite (Lotus Petal into Rite of Flame into Desperate Ritual into Seething Song into Mana Crypt into Mana Vault into Sol Ring into Zealous Conscripts+Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, etc.) don't run it.
Leyline of Anticipation, Metallurgic Summonings, Omniscience, Stolen Strategy, Sunbird's Invocation, Swarm Intelligence, Mirari, Sentinel Tower, Swiftfoot Boots, Vedalken Orrery, Arcane Melee, Enhanced Surveillance, Jace's Sanctum, The Mirari Conjecture, Traumatize, Rise from the Tides, Crystal Shard, Expedition Map, Erratic Portal, Mana Cylix, Beacon Bolt, Stolen Identity, Laboratory Maniac, Melek, Izzet Paragon, Nivix Guildmage, Galvanoth, Echo Mage, Archaeomancer, Battle Hymn, and Fury Storm need to go, they don't do nearly enough.
Up next on the chopping board are every extra turn spell and every 'copy' effect, whether copying a creature/permanent or spell. It needs to go. Past in Flames is about all like that that is necessary. I feel Inner Fire is particularly bad... there are more cards to consider dropping think Jace's Sanctum, the Electromancer and Baral, but for now, their okay.