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Legendary Creature — Elder Demon
When Demonlord Belzenlok enters the battlefield, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card, then put that card into your hand. If the card’s converted mana cost is 4 or greater, repeat this process. Demonlord Belzenlok deals 1 damage to you for each card put into your hand this way.
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Demonlord Belzenlok Discussion
6 hours ago
You would gain life.
Because the ability isn't contingent upon Demonlord Belzenlok surviving in order to resolve, it will still resolve. Because the ability says that Belzenlok deals the damage, it checks last known information (the object as it exists--or as it last existed--on the battlefield) in order to determine if there are any special interactions such as lifelink.
In this case, Belzenlok last existed with lifelink, and therefore you would gain life from the damage.
10 hours ago
I cast Demonlord Belzenlok while I control Deadly Wanderings and no other creatures. As Belzenlok is my only creature, Deadly Wanderings gives him lifelink, so his trigger which deals damage to me will also gain me that much life.
But what is someone uses instant speed removal in response to his trigger (ex. Price of Fame )? Because Belzenlok is no longer on the battlefield, I no longer meet Deadly Wanderings's requirement. So do I no longer gain life? Or do I gain life since Belzenlok's last state did have lifelink?
3 weeks ago
Usually you want 37-40 ~ in a commander deck (depending on avrage CMC, mana rocks and so on). Im by no means a shadowborn player, but I think 10 are to few. And you most definitive want some more demons like Rune-Scarred Demon , Archfiend of Depravity , Archfiend of Despair , Demonlord Belzenlok and Harvester of Souls to name a few. I also recomend Edgewalker to make your apostels free.
Looking forward to see your deck take form! Welcome to commander!
2 months ago
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3 months ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
Cards to consider cutting to make 100:
- Demon of Catastrophes : not worth sacing a creature to cast it.
- Nightmare : not worth 5 mana, 5 of the mana cost can't be paid with Phyrexian mana.
- Xathrid Gorgon : same as Nightmare.
- Magus of the Coffers : Crypt Ghast , Coffers, Nykthos, Stronghold all better.
- Liliana, the Necromancer
- Ancient Craving
- Dregs of Sorrow
- Avatar of Woe
- Demonlord Belzenlok
- Eternity Vessel
In your forum topic you said you're not worried about reducing the high avg. CMC by cutting high CMC creatures because you can pay Phyrexian mana to reduce their cost. This is true to some degree, but you're not always in every game going to have Krrik on the battlefield, access to Phyrexian mana, and the times when this happens then having a lower avg. CMC will allow you to actually play Magic.
The other problem is why play worse high CMC creatures then Vilis, Broker of Blood , Pontiff of Blight , Sheoldred, Whispering One or Reiver Demon ? There's no reason to jam a bunch of other high CMC creatures just because you can. These creatures especially the interaction of Vilis, Pontiff with Krrik are better than all the other high CMC creatures who are within the budget here. You would rather draw them then the others therefore make it easier to draw them and don't include lots of other high CMC creatures?
Pontiff of Blight giving extort to all creatures you control is good especially if you're playing a life gain strategy. Extort can be paid for with Phyrexian mana, that's what makes it busted. Each extort trigger can be paid with 2 life, but if you have three opponents you gain 3 life for each trigger, you gain 1 life per opponents who loss life. This means you extort for free and also gain 1 life after each trigger. Even if you only have two opponents you're still getting to extort for free because of Phyrexian mana.
Before you can do anything with Krrik and Phyrexian mana you have to get him on the battlefield and this means getting four mana (colorless or black). First priority for upgrades to consider is adding more early game ramp that's within the budget:
- Dark Ritual
- Cabal Ritual
- Bubbling Muck
- Blood Pet
- Everflowing Chalice
- Mind Stone
- Fellwar Stone
- Basalt Monolith
- Crystal Vein
The strength of Krrik is Phyrexian mana, but to take advantage of this you want lots of other one mana cards. When you play Krrik you want to right away start giving him counters:
- Blood Celebrant : with Phyrexian mana this is repeatable 3 life to add , which is busted.
- Scheming Symmetry
- Rain of Filth
- Inquisition of Kozilek
- Aphotic Wisps : can kill an opponent with Commander damage.
- Tainted Strike : can kill an opponent with Infect.
Cremate, Wisps, Tainted are not usually playable cards, but with Krrik they are because they're free to cast and most draw a card. For one mana or free Symmetry can get you Necropotence into your hand.
Two drops are also good, not as good as one drops, but still good value with Phyrexian mana:
- Imp's Mischief : protect Krrik.
- Night's Whisper
- Blood Artist : cares about your opponents' creatures dying too.
- Animate Dead
You could fit Demonic Tutor and Diabolic Intent in here if you wanted by cutting some cards that are by no means as powerful as either because these tutors can get you Necropotence , Bolas's Citadel or Aetherflux Reservoir ; all more impactful cards/game winning cards. Consider cutting these cards to add Demonic/Intent? Most of these cards are high mana cost redundancy which are not needed:
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
I forgot to suggest:
The Immortal Sun
(since you don't play Planeswalkers).
Spine of Ish Sah
particularly to destroy permanents like artifacts or enchantments.
's lil brother.
Phyrexian Etchings either way your opponents are fucked. Hall of the Bandit Lord Ifnir Deadlands Mischievous Poltergeist Soul Channeling Bloodgift Demon Demonlord Belzenlok Archfiend of Despair Darkness
4 months ago
That sucks man, sorry to hear that. I think you can honestly make this a very potent but not degenerate version of the same deck without changing too much.
You can still have the Gravecrawler/Mikaeus power lines but just decide, “nah, not today” if you’re in a lower power game. Some people build like a Timmy and play like a spike but I’m the opposite. I like knowing my deck CAN win but sometimes you have to let the newer players feel the rush too.
Demonlord Belzenlok occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%