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Imprint — When Chrome Mox enters the battlefield, you may exile a nonartifact, nonland card from your hand.
: Add one mana of any of the exiled card's colors to your mana pool.
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Chrome Mox Discussion
14 hours ago
My main concern of the deck is the "competitive" tag. That tag would imply this deck is a fully optimized, competitive list, able to see play against the best decks of the format, and still have a decent winrate.
This list, from what I see, is not able to accomplish this.
I honestly do not know what this deck is trying to do, as there was not a primer for it, nor an explanation, but I will look and see, If I am wrong in my analysis, please correct me, and I will apologize promptly if I am mistaken entirely.
It looks like a Shadowborn Apostle deck, that is using the apostles to cheat out few choice demons, of which there are 7 total, out of them Demon of Death's Gate and Ravenous Demon Flip are simply large beatsticks, and so are basically useless for a cEDH deck, Indulgent Tormentor is the same unless you team with an opponent, and Rune-Scarred Demon is a Demonic Tutor on a stick. Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is a big hate-on search, but the 10 life and sacrifice a creature should barely hurt a player unless they are paradox combo with Captain Sisay or Arcum Dagsson, and so they use a Swords to Plowshares on it or Pongify and then combo off. Harvester of Souls is decent card draw, and Razaketh, the Foulblooded is actual tutoring.
What can you tutor for or draw to win? Not much I am afraid you only have 6 removal spells, and they aren't very good for these colors, no Dismember or anything else really.
Without Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Lotus Petal, or Chrome Mox type effects, you can't legitimately expect to pull a win with this deck at a competitve table, and your card draw is just horrendous.
At least I would suggest you do the courtesy of running your good tutors, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor (some decks don't need Grim Tutor), along with Necropotence for draw and Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace for the draw your deck.
May I ask about you landbase?
Commonly, for a competitive deck, the usually 2-color landbase looks like:
City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Caves of Koilos, Fetid Heath, Concealed Courtyard, Command Tower, Forbidden Orchard, Exotic Orchard, Reflecting Pool, Gemstone Caverns, and Tarnished Citadel (the 11 unfetchable duals in your colors)
This 31 card landbase is fully tuned and optimized for a competitive deck, why does yours not run the rest of the good fetches, and all of the good duals?
To be entirely honest, I don't think this is a bad deck, and don't want to offend you or your deck-building skills, but I would hope you drop the "competitive" tag or change the deck a lot, it is mis-leading as it is.
If you want any deck-building advice on how to make this deck competitive, I suggest heading on over to Why Every Commander is Competitive and learning from that resource I set up for new players to cEDH.
2 days ago
Hey, if you want to make your deck more competitive, Witch-Maw colors are great for combo.
Hermit Druid is a famous combo, in which if you have no basic lands in your deck, you mill the whole thing into your graveyard. With a turn one Forest + Gemstone Caverns or Lotus Petal or something, by turn 2 you can mill your deck.
Narcomoeba will return from the graveyard to the battlefield, and if you play a land Bloodghast will return too! Fatestitcher can return for a single mana if you need it. As long as you have three creatures, you may flashback Dread Return a Necrotic Ooze back to your library, your whole library is in your graveyard, but remember, Phantasmagorian can discard any cards you may have accidentally drawn.
You use Wall of Roots's ability, and get a . Put that mana into Blighted Bat's ability, giving Necrotic Ooze haste. Tap Necrotic Ooze to Devoted Druid's ability, getting , then untap with Devoted Druid's second ability. Tap it again, but this time to Channeler Initiate's ability, and get another mana. Use both Devoted Druid's second ability and Channeler Initiate's ability over and over again to make mana, and put it all into Walking Ballista's ability to put infinite +1/+1 counters on it. Then use Walking Ballista's other ability to remove all of those counters, killing each of your opponents.
Easy win, one card (Hermit Druid), turn 2 win.
Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, Eladamri's Call, Green Sun's Zenith, Summoner's Pact, Worldly Tutor, Eldritch Evolution, Sylvan Tutor, Grim Tutor, Beseech the Queen, and cards of that nature can fetch it up, leading to ~20 "one card combos".
Flash + Protean Hulk also allows you to find Grand Abolisher, Cephalid Illusionist, and Nomads en-Kor, allowing you to win turn 1, if you have Lotus Petal or Gemstone Caverns or Mana Crypt or Chrome Mox or Mox Diamond, a land, and Flash + Protean Hulk, isn't that a fast win!
Other than that, self-mill combo-decks that put their whole library into their graveyard all are able to protect against the likes of Faerie Macabre and stuff of that nature by running Memory's Journey and Deep Analysis and Phantasmagorian, so if they attempt to exile some of your combo, you can shuffle it back into your library, draw it, and discard it all to save yourself! Krosan Reclamation, Think Twice, and stuff of that nature are occasionally run too!
1 week ago
@deakmana, Thanks for the comments!
Its cool to get some comments from an actual competitive perspective.
Re: Crop Rotation : The card disadvantage is real; and it might not be obvious from just reading this list, but it doesn't really need Gaea's Cradle, it's just sort of nice to have. Most of the time you want a Blood Moon effect anyway, so the Cradle gets turned off (and Scavenger Grounds, and Spinerock Knoll). Although Boseiju, Who Shelters All is an interesting suggestion.
Spinerock Knoll has been good so far. It's a nice way to get more gas at a pretty minimal cost; in many cases it doesn't even cost a card.
I'm never sad to see a one-sided wipe. Literally every competitive deck except maybe Jeleva and Teferi have creatures in play. I'm not sure if you've played any competitive EDH in the last 18 months, but there's these two commanders called Thrasios and Tymna... And those decks tend to be loaded with creatures. It's sort of a bummer that most decks actually do have a few creatures in play, frequently with stats like 1/3 or 2/2, which makes it hard to get clean attacks with the hatebears. Ezuri's Predation is just about as easy to cast as Mizzium Mortars, and is vastly superior. Not only is it disruption and mana destruction, it's nearly a game-ending threat!
re: Gamble. I tried this and cut it quickly. If you want to use it to get something you're not going to discard, then you have to do it off your opening 7. That means you're spending turn 1 playing gamble instead of a mana elf, which is just terrible. Or your spending turn 2 playing gable instead of a stax piece, which is also terrible. Then if you want to play it turn 3, you've got 3 cards left in hand. One of the benefits of this deck is that it doesn't use the graveyard... so if the tutor target gets discarded it's gone for good. In a lot of decks Gamble is good because it's a second copy of Entomb. As you can see, the opposite is true here.
Incidentally, Chrome Mox has a similar problem: basically its likely that you don't have enough spare cards to come back from the card disadvantage. The general doesn't provide card advantage, so we're not reliably ramping into something that refills the hand.
I've tried Orcish Lumberjack. It's really bad to play a turn 1 dork that might not actually make mana, which happens, if you don't have a forest. It can be strong tho. Perhaps its worth using. Have you tested it in this list?
I've also tried and cut Skullclamp. It's just slow and not good. I don't have a reliable 1-toughness token producer (like in a Tana, the Bloodsower deck), and basically token-making isn't a great route to victory. It doesn't draw off commanders and the only thing that leaves is using it to draw off mana elves after the mid-game when you don't need the mana anymore. That's just not a winning plan, anyway.
1 week ago
1 week ago
I mean, I don't see how this is stax, I see some very good cards, like Gamble, Imperial Recruiter, and Enlightened Tutor, but in terms of prison/stax, you only run about 6 cards: Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Ghostly Prison, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Aura of Silence, Blind Obedience, and Cataclysm.
I'd suggest you drop the cards like Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite for much more powerful stax cards. Also I'd think running some more tutors for Helm of the Host (the instant win) would be useful.
Other cards I'd suggest you run:
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben - hurts storm builds and greedy manabases more than your deck.
Ruination - You run enough basics that a 3-4 colored deck will crumble.
Armageddon - Aurelia, the Warleader makes this thing basically a win, as you can probably beat face enough to kill one person before they rebuild, whilst rebuilding on your own. At that point with a couple more stax cards you might be able to drop your opponents all together. Use Ravages of War as well if you can afford one.
Crucible of Worlds - With a lot of land-destruction, or fetchlands, this card gives you constant land drops, allowing you to rebuild like nothing ever happened a few turns after an Armageddon or Cataclysm. Acts as a half Sun Titan in some cases. Strip Mine/Wasteland make it really good too.
World Queller - this card is godly. It can be used as land destruction every turn, and with a Sun Titan or Crucible of Worlds, you might not notice it's effect, but can name planeswalkers while you have none to get rid of a pesky Ugin/Karn/Nicol Bolas. It can of course remove pesky artifacts or enchantments, and still beat face a bit.
Trinisphere - This deck has a pretty high CMC, so this card might barely affect it. It will totally hurt the elf player, the storm player, and any other low-cmc player.
Aven Mindcensor - This doesn't affect you, but hurts your opponents fetch lands, tutors, or any other searches.
Luminarch Ascension - Acts as a powerful alternate win condition if you lock out you opponents.
Magus of the Moon - If you run enough basic lands, this card won't affect you very much, because of the artifact mana you have. Other decks may crumble to it.
Otherwise I'd only suggest you run some more rocks (Mox Diamond/Chrome Mox/Mana Crypt and all of the legal fetchlands like Windswept Heath, Marsh Flats, Flooded Strand, Bloodstained Mire, Wooded Foothills, Scalding Tarn)
Cards to drop for this stuff:
Argentum Armor, Extraplanar Lens, Loxodon Warhammer, Mask of Memory, Sword of War and Peace, Tenza, Godo's Maul, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Puresteel Paladin, Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder, Balefire Liege, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Archangel of Tithes, Angelic Arbiter, 2-3 lands.
Otherwise, it terms of lands, drop Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion, Temple of the False God, Boros Garrison, Emeria, The Sky Ruin, Opal Palace, Rogue's Passage, Clifftop Retreat, and some basic mountains, add the remaining 6 fetchlands, and that should be about it!
1 week ago
Meurth Since I am new to the deck and format my answer will be one from research rather than gameplay. With that written, the win condition comes from the creatures and equipment in the deck. This, along with the hand disruption and cards that help control the board like Swords to Plowshares and Vindicate, allows the deck can stick around into the late game chipping away at their life total.
I have seen some decks run two copies of Chrome Mox for the fast start that I believe you would want with a Dark Ritual in the deck. Chrome Mox is also a reusable source of mana that would be much better in the late game which is where this deck wants to be.
For me, the deck appeals to my enjoyment of using hand disruption and spells like Swords to Plowshares to control the game. I have tried playing control type decks in modern and standard and find that I am less good at counters (perhaps I needed to practice more, or stick with it for a longer amount of time).
Thanks for the question and interest in the deck.
2 weeks ago
@Dylan: I'm agree with you about the rocks even if I'm not sure about the number of the lands... But honestly I have no idea about other card to remove instead of a land. I'm not agree with you about the lands you suggest (with the exceptions of Ancient Tomb that is out of my budget), because I think they do not synergize well with the deck.