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, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice Marsh Flats: Search your library for a Plains or Swamp card and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
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Marsh Flats Discussion
5 days ago
Nice deck. +1 from me.
- Maybe Falkenrath Noble and Pious Evangel Flip as copy 3 and 4 of Blood Artist
- Phyrexian Arena is also a strong card
- Retribution of the Meek would be a very good wrath for this deck as nearly non of your creatures is effected.
- With Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Darkest Hour and any Sac-Outlet on the table Cathars' Crusade is ridiculous.
- for land additions I would also suggest Caves of Koilos and Marsh Flats
6 days ago
So Im looking to swap some of the editions of my cards for the editions I want! Some have a clear price difference so I will state what valuables I have for trade. I am also willing to paypal you the price difference.
I have 3x MMA Cryptic Command I would like to trade for 3x LRW editions.
I have 3x M14 Mutavault I would like to trade for 3x GP promo editions.
I have 3x KTK Polluted Delta I would like to trade for 3x ONS editions.
I have 1x GTC Watery Grave I would like to trade for 1x RAV edition.
I have 1x EMA Jace, the Mind Sculptor I would like to trade for 1x WWK edition.
Notable cards I have for trade include:
1x KTK Flooded Strand
2x ZEN Marsh Flats
2x EMN Grim Flayer
1x SOI Tireless Tracker
1x KTK Windswept Heath
As I said I can also paypal the difference after I recieve the cards in the mail, I am also willing to buy you cards that you may need and have them sent to your house to make up any price differences.
Thanks for looking!
2 weeks ago
Suggestions part 1
For manabase color fixing, remove 4 plains and 1 swamps for:
Also, Chromatic Lantern would be another good addition to fix your mana base and additional ramp. I'll post more later.
2 weeks ago
Seems very nice, but I'd do some changes: first of all I would change Cast Down into Fatal Push. Then, if it's on budget, I'd increase the numer of Polluted Delta, Flooded Strand and Marsh Flats and I'd cut Nimbus Maze and River of Tears. I'd add also the schocklands, if on budget: Hallowed Fountain, Watery Grave and Godless Shrine, cutting Adarkar Wastes and Underground River. Then, why not a Logic Knot or Mana Leak instead of Negate and Pact of Negation? Also, since you have decided to use only 2x Inquisition of Kozilek, couldn't be better Thoughtseize? Another 2 token spawners I would take in consideration here are: Bitterblossom and Secure the Wastes (since is instant and creates as many tokens you want). Another thing: since you have only 4 black spells, why won't you consider cutting all black from the deck?
2 weeks ago
I'm not a huge fan of the mana base you currently have. The fast lands aren't optimal in a deck relying on 4-drops (and I don't agree with the choices in general) and you have too many shock lands. Also Field of Ruin is a powerful thing to fight manlands and tron.
Firstly, what does Supreme Verdict add to the deck besides convoluted cost? I know there's the gifts package where you gift for 2 boardwipes and snapcaster, but how often do you do that in this meta? If you remove supreme verdict then you remove WW casting costs, which turns this into a UBw deck, which can have a much more slick mana base. Alternatively, you could cut Cryptic Command and make the deck BWu, which is also easier. Cryptic might be the better card to cut. I don't really know, but removing one of them makes life easier.
Regardless, the manabase needs to be build around having BB by turn 3 for Liliana. When I helped my friend build his 4 color gifts deck he used a few checklands instead of fast lands. I could see either option being fine. The only fast land I would play in here is Darkslick Shores. It helps cast Liliana on turn 3 or Serum Visions on turn 1.
For shock lands I'd run 2 Watery Grave, 1 Hallowed Fountain, and 1 Godless Shrine. Anything fetched past the first Fountain or Shrine can usually be a basic land. And increase to 8-10 fetch lands. Probably 9 or 10. It adds a lot of consistency.
I'm not a huge fan of Creeping Tar Pit in here. It's better in a deck that doesn't get to 5 mana (or doesn't have the colors) for Colonnade. However, Celestial Colonnade and Shambling Vent are both very good. Colonnade is a better finisher but Shambling Vent is a better stabilizer.
Mardu pyromancer can't beat Sphinx of the Steel Wind. Other Blood Moon decks are rare. I guess Ponza? But I don't think they can beat the Sphinx either. Although Ponza won't let you get to 4 mana for Gifts.
If you want to play fast lands, I'd try this mana base:
- 2 Flooded Strand
- 3 Polluted Delta
- 3 Marsh Flats
- 3 Darkslick Shores
- 2 Watery Grave
- 1 Godless Shrine
- 1 Hallowed Fountain
- 1 Celestial Colonnade
- 1 Shambling Vent
- 2 Swamp
- 1 Island
- 1 Plains
- 2 Field of Ruin
Is Collective Brutality really that powerful? I understand playing 2 copies, but 4 seems like a lot.
Sorry this comment is so long-winded and scattered. I hope it helps!
3 weeks ago
I recommend Sanguine Bond, Exquisite Blood, Command Tower, Tainted Sigil, Sol Ring, Orzhov Signet, Isolated Chapel, Batwing Brume, Beacon of Immortality, Congregate, Fetid Heath, Vindicate, Well of Lost Dreams, Chalice of Life Flip, Norn's Annex, Enlightened Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Vault of the Archangel, Godless Shrine, Marsh Flats, Blood Baron of Vizkopa, Crypt Ghast, Tithe Drinker, Mortify, Liliana of the Dark Realms, Debt to the Deathless, Exsanguinate, Blind Obedience, Legion Lieutenant, Anowon, the Ruin Sage, Captivating Vampire, Profane Procession Flip, Anointed Procession, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Blood Artist, Bloodlord of Vaasgoth, Bloodline Necromancer, Bloodline Keeper Flip, Drana, Liberator of Malakir, Viscera Seer, Vona's Hunger, Doom Blade, Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, Recover, Blood Tribute, Necromantic Summons, Razaketh's Rite, Blade of the Bloodchief, Ashnod's Altar, Cathars' Crusade, Sorin, Solemn Visitor, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, Sorin, Grim Nemesis, Orzhov Basilica, Path of Ancestry, Scoured Barrens, Caves of Koilos, Shambling Vent, and High Market. (Reposted for links)
1 month ago
Sure thing. Sorry that took a while:
- Woolly Razorback: too expensive, not good
- Hindering Light: not good
- Remove Soul: not good
- Render Silent: too expensive, hard to cast
- Rewind: you don't wanna leave 4 mana open
- Chromatic Lantern: fixes all your mana, so it will be destroyed right away
- Cultivate: not good
- Skyshroud Claim: too late
- Condemn: not good
- Disenchant: claim is better
- Shield Wall: calculate mana cost/toughness boost. a 2 toughness per mana boost is good, anything wose should just stick or do something(like Call to Glory or Glorious Anthem, and even these are kind of bad.)
- Steadfastness: see shield wall
- Disallow: trickbind is better imho
- Pongify: leaves a 3/3
- Mana Leak: can be useless
- Dispel : very narrow for a deck like yours. I'd prefer Autumn's Veil or Heroic Intervention. adding the latter.
- Reality Shift: exile is awesome
- Noble Hierarch: mana dorks
- Elvish Mystic
- Llanowar Elves
- Fyndhorn Elves
- Arbor Elf
- Birds of Paradise
- Wild Growth
- Selesnya Signet: mana rocks
- Azorius Signet
- Simic Signet
- Mystical Tutor: finds everything
- Nature's Claim
- Echoing Truth
- Muddle the Mixture: finds a lot of really crucial cards and doubles down as an emergency counter
- Sylvan Library: too good not to run, even without paying life, fetches make this great. maybe also consider Mirri's Guile
Mana base(33 is enough at this average cmc):
- Tropical Island
- Arid Mesa
- Flooded Strand
- Marsh Flats
- Misty Rainforest
- Polluted Delta
- Scalding Tarn
- Verdant Catacombs
- Windswept Heath
- Wooded Foothills
- Horizon Canopy
- Reflecting Pool
- Adarkar Wastes
- Yavimaya Coast
- Ancient Tomb
- Nimbus Maze
- Strip Mine: Maze of Ith so you always wanna have one of these four sooner or later during a game.
- Ghost Quarter
- Tectonic Edge
- 3 Forest
- 3 Plains
- 4 Island
That's what I'd do and then playtest it and go tweaking. Hope that helps and also that it wasn't too brutal. For real tweaking please add a list of decks you play against or how a normal game looks like(amount of combo decks, creature decks, control decks per game). You do run lot's of creature spot removal, but I let that in, since you might need it.
1 month ago
My main concern of the deck is the "competitive" tag. That tag would imply this deck is a fully optimized, competitive list, able to see play against the best decks of the format, and still have a decent winrate.
This list, from what I see, is not able to accomplish this.
I honestly do not know what this deck is trying to do, as there was not a primer for it, nor an explanation, but I will look and see, If I am wrong in my analysis, please correct me, and I will apologize promptly if I am mistaken entirely.
It looks like a Shadowborn Apostle deck, that is using the apostles to cheat out few choice demons, of which there are 7 total, out of them Demon of Death's Gate and Ravenous Demon Flip are simply large beatsticks, and so are basically useless for a cEDH deck, Indulgent Tormentor is the same unless you team with an opponent, and Rune-Scarred Demon is a Demonic Tutor on a stick. Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is a big hate-on search, but the 10 life and sacrifice a creature should barely hurt a player unless they are paradox combo with Captain Sisay or Arcum Dagsson, and so they use a Swords to Plowshares on it or Pongify and then combo off. Harvester of Souls is decent card draw, and Razaketh, the Foulblooded is actual tutoring.
What can you tutor for or draw to win? Not much I am afraid you only have 6 removal spells, and they aren't very good for these colors, no Dismember or anything else really.
Without Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Lotus Petal, or Chrome Mox type effects, you can't legitimately expect to pull a win with this deck at a competitve table, and your card draw is just horrendous.
At least I would suggest you do the courtesy of running your good tutors, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor (some decks don't need Grim Tutor), along with Necropotence for draw and Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace for the draw your deck.
May I ask about you landbase?
Commonly, for a competitive deck, the usually 2-color landbase looks like:
City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Caves of Koilos, Fetid Heath, Concealed Courtyard, Command Tower, Forbidden Orchard, Exotic Orchard, Reflecting Pool, Gemstone Caverns, and Tarnished Citadel (the 11 unfetchable duals in your colors)
This 31 card landbase is fully tuned and optimized for a competitive deck, why does yours not run the rest of the good fetches, and all of the good duals?
To be entirely honest, I don't think this is a bad deck, and don't want to offend you or your deck-building skills, but I would hope you drop the "competitive" tag or change the deck a lot, it is mis-leading as it is.
If you want any deck-building advice on how to make this deck competitive, I suggest heading on over to Why Every Commander is Competitive and learning from that resource I set up for new players to cEDH.