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Darksteel Ingot Discussion
2 days ago
This is usually my hierarchy:
- I use as many fetchlands & original dual lands I can afford.
- I then use anything that a fetchland can grab, ie shocklands.
- I fill the try to fill the rest of lands with all color producing lands, like Command Tower, Grand Coliseum, City of Brass etc.
- Artifact staples Gilded Lotus, Darksteel Ingot, Chromatic Lantern, Coalition Relic, etc
- I use some sort of green ramp package:
- Tap Creatures Bloom Tender, Birds of Paradise, Sylvan Caryatid,
- ETB / Sac creatures Wood Elves, Yavimaya Elder, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Solemn Simulacrum etc
- Fetch sorcs Nature's Lore, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Rampant Growth, Skyshroud Claim etc
- Extra land drop Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Explore, Oracle of Mul Daya etc
Those are usually the steps I go through to get 5 colors in to a deck. The key is to playtest it so you can tell if you are getting the ramp out or not consistently. Always start with more and then narrow it down if you get flooded with mana too often. Nothing worse than getting mana screwed in 5 colors!
2 days ago
This is a good start to the deck. Knowing your collection, I am sure that you must not have many cards.
But I like the way you use Blades of Velis Vel in order to get that sliver synergy. That's a sign of a good player being able to see these unusual interactions. So if I were you, the first thing I would do is to get more slivers.
A good low curve Sliver that gives good buffs would be Predatory Sliver. He's also cheap so that's a plus. Muscle Sliver is the same thing but a little more expensive at a dollar a piece. But having 8 of these guys is pretty good. Blur Sliver is also another really great cheap option as it gives all of your Slivers haste, a great way to close out games quickly. Manaweft Sliver is also an important card as it allows you to ramp up to your Megantic Sliver which is what I am assuming you are trying to do. Gemhide Sliver can also fill the same role. Hibernation Sliver is also a fairly cheap option that can save your Slivers for the low low price of 2 life. Sidewinder Sliver is also really cool, and can make your slivers even harder to block.
What's great is that most of these cards are under a dollar, making a budget deck with these guys extremely viable. The only problem is, the mana base could be more expensive. Having all of these Slivers is great, but if they are stuck in your hand because you need green mana when you have white, that kind of sucks. So in the interest of budget lets make a budget mana base.
First Darksteel Ingot is pretty great. I'd run 4 of them. Transguild Promenade and Evolving Wilds are very cheap options that can get you any color. Lay of the Land can also fix pretty well. Rampant Growth can get it on the battlefield. These are all budget options however. The best option would actually be Birds of Paradise, but at $5 a card, it can be kind of expensive for a new player. What's great about them however is the synergy with Blades of Velis Vel. Play that on your birds and you suddenly have a huge sliver bird swinging in the air. If you have the money definetley get a playset of these birdies. Another option for mana fixing can also be found in the Ravnica Guildgates. All very cheap options to fix your mana. Sliver Hive is more expensive, but works great in a slivers deck.
If you were to build a Slivers deck I would highly recommend upgrading your mana base first. That inclusion will be able to help you do whatever you need to do with your actual creatures. Assuming a budget of $20 this is what I would recommend.
Sinew Sliver x4
Suntail Hawk x4
I'll make a tappedout list of this later, but this should hopefully be under $20. At the very least it is $25 for a very powerful aggro deck that synergizes really well. I took out the bigger cards such as Megantic Sliver in favor of cheaper slivers that are easier to play. The Velis Veil cards are great, and can surprise many opponents. The sideboard includes Spinneret Sliver to deal with flyers, Tormod's Crypt for graveyards (can also deal with Gift of Immortality wink, wink, nudge, nudge). Smash to Smithereens for artifacts, Shock for cheap removal, and Elite Vanguard in case they do run a lot of flyers. Upgrades to the mana base should also be considered.
Wow that was a long post.
3 days ago
I play Ephara, God of the Polis as my commander and even though they are kind of different decks, there is a lot of overlap.
A few cards that are under or around $2 that I run and you might get benefit from:
Trinket Mage (you can add Seat of the Synod, Ancient Den, and maybe even Darksteel Citadel to make it worth more than just getting Sol Ring. I have Everflowing Chalice. In this deck, you may also get use from Pithing Needle. With this package, it's probably just better than Pilgrim's Eye.)
If you have Archaeomancer, you probably want Mnemonic Wall and Scrivener as well. These cards make Ghostly Flicker much better. So much so that I run also Displace and Illusionist's Stratagem as well in Ephara.
Ixidron could be interesting in this deck, especially if you add more blink effects outside of Brago.
I don't know how much I like creature auras for Brago. He's already a removal magnet (which is one of the reasons I don't play him as my commander) and I feel like you'd end up just getting two for one'd. Whispersilk Cloak might be a good alternative. You could also add stuff like Cloudshift, Momentary Blink, or maybe even Whitemane Lion to help protect Brago from removal or get additional value. Again, I haven't played this deck and don't know your meta, so this may be irrelevant.
You may want to look at making your mana rocks a turn faster so you can curve into Brago on turn three. You could run Talisman of Progress, Fellwar Stone, or Thought Vessel if you're looking to have your rocks all untap with Brago. They aren't as reliable at fixing as say Darksteel Ingot, but the speed could be worth it.
Here's a link to my Ephara deck if you're interested:
4 days ago
I would add mana rocks that tap for any color: Chromatic Lantern, Commander's Sphere, Coalition Relic, Darksteel Ingot, Manalith. They will help with mana fixing/ramping. I always try to have 8 mana ramping cards and 38 lands.
Love the theme of the deck. I wish I had thought of it.
4 days ago
So, I just have a few suggestions real quick, but they are going to require 10+ cards in the deck to be changed.
First, this deck has a fairly high average mana cost, but only 31 lands. Less than 1/3rd of your deck is mana producing land. You'll want 36 land, at least, plus mana accelerators like Rakdos Signet. Even my more casual decks, like Ghave: Baby Makin' and Alimony, uses 35 lands plus 15 cards that ramp or can function as ramp- for a total of 50 cards that care about mana. This results in a deck that always has the mana to make its strong plays and develop early.
Now, I know what you're thinking. "Pook, don't you flood a lot having half of your deck devoted to mana production?"
No, I don't. Not with a Commander that has an activated ability, not with lots of mana hungry cards that, once they hit the table, I win. Your Commander also has an activated ability. A very powerful one. You're going to want the capacity to activate her throughout the game in order to change the flow of it-- someone not paying attention and swinging a Blightsteel Colossus at you isn't a big deal if you have 7 mana and Olivia on board (stealing creatures during combat is the best). Notwithstanding, you want Olivia to get big because it only takes 21 damage from her to win you the game.
You don't have to go that far into it, though. Simply having 36 lands + some number of mana rocks to smooth your draws so you are forced to mulligan less would be ideal. For this reason, I suggest these cuts:
Your worst creatures, like Twins of Mauer Estate, Falkenrath Reaver, Furyblade Vampire (he's not good. Spending a card for a minor damage boost isn't great in a multiplayer-centric format where life totals are 40), etc.. Put lands in their places, dropping at least 5 cards.
Other cards that can be cut because they're not great in Commander- Eliminate the Competition (Hex exists for 1 mana more, and doesn't make you sacrifice 6 creatures to play it. Also, it's not very good and no one runs it, so EtC is even worse in comparison). Fiery Temper is meh, 3 for 3 damage isn't exactly great in 40 life formats. Sure Strike (Loxodon Warhammer is better because it sticks around for longer than 1 turn and gives evasion, for example). Voldaren Duelist. Ravenous Bloodseeker. Markov Crusader.... honestly, there's a lot of creatures that could probably be dropped for more efficient ones, but dropping about 6-10 cards for the following will help:
Sol Ring, Rakdos Signet, Talisman of Indulgence, Worn Powerstone, Darksteel Ingot, Commander's Sphere, etc., would be a good start. Ones like Coldsteel Heart, Charcoal Diamond, Fire Diamond, could be useful if you needed even more mana rocks.
Once you get your mana base settled, the deck should start rolling more smoothly and you can see what you're able to do with it. Adding more draw (Phyrexian Arena, Skullclamp) would be important, more tutors are always helpful, and fun stuff like Contamination and Bloodghast could keep your opponents from interacting with you while you beat them down, etc., but I'll save that for another time once your mana situation is sorted, as that's a far larger issue right now (not having mana = you can't do anything, after all).
4 days ago
First off, welcome to the world of EDH! I think you'll find it's definitely one of the most fun formats you'll experience. As someone who has played tribal vampires before, I think I can offer you some suggestions based on my experience. Now I'm not sure what you're budget is for cards so feel free to ignore any suggestions that are out of your budget range.
Vampires are tricky because they don't have as much tribal support as say Goblins, Elves, or even Zombies so you really want the best they have to offer. I think that 44 creatures is a bit too high, even for a tribal deck, so I would cut and refine some of your weaker vampires.
These are a few ideas of some very powerful vampires that could easily be swapped in for some of the less optimal brood.
As with any EDH deck, your mana base is going to always be tweaked and upgraded to make your plays faster and more reliable. Now this is something you can do over time and as budget allows but some major lands to consider are:
Now the latter 3 lands are included for explosive ramping and because I've found most tribal vampire decks are more black than red. Another thing to keep in mind is that generally, you don't want less than 36 lands in your deck unless you have a lot of mana rocks to support less. Olivia is a very mana hungry commander so I would suggest about 38 lands.
Along similar lines, I would include the following mana rocks to further ramp/filter your mana:
While not traditional "ramp", Urza's Incubator can be very helpful in this deck since vampires tend to be a bit higher mana costed.
You'll want to include a few cards to help you draw more cards just to get more power from the deck. There's a lot of options out there but one card I strongly suggest is Phyrexian Arena.
The same goes for your removal. A little spot removal and a few board wipes should have you covered.
I hope these ideas help! Best of luck to you with your deck!
1 week ago
I love the synergy between Tana & Sidar...I think these two were made for each other more so than any other 2 partners.
Beyond that I think you got lost....Single target pump spells / bloodrush effects and the like are horrible in multiplayer games....unless this is intended solely for 1 v 1, I'd say ditch ALL of them. Aside from Intangible Virtue I wouldn't put any other static effect Anthems in either...once you get your tokens to be bigger than 2/2 then you just lost all synergy with Sidar...and have defeated yourself. Collective Blessing, Gaea's Anthem > out.
Creatures / Spells that will only ever give you 1 token (in addition to the creature that comes with it) also not that effective. Again unless this is 1 vs 1. Attended Knight and Tukatongue Thallid and such...out...
Deckbuilding for edh: When I build an edh deck, I too just start throwing cards at it, then cut lots then try to figure out how much ramp I need, and how much card draw I need, and how much removal I'm going to put in. These three things I put in pretty much EVERY deck. I may not run much but at least a little. (I'm only seeing a few of each on your list) After I get things balanced out and make my cuts I work the land base usually 35-39 lands depending on the deck/mana curve, amount of ramp ect. This deck I'd say 36-37 lands.
I'm not going to price check all the following recomendations, but bear in mind the tcg prices on this site doesn't account for different / older prints / damaged card discounts ect, though a few still might be 20 cents over your budget, but I'm gonna list them anyways.
Cheap removal: (keep Pacifism if you must pick 3-5 here also) Revoke Existence, Fate Forgotten, Oblation, Terastodon, Smash to Smithereens, Entrapment Maneuver, Desert Twister, Scour from Existence ... there's several others but still this is a descent selection...
Cheap Card Draw: There really isn't much in the way in these colors to begin with, even less on your budget... maybe throw Faithless Looting a few cards that give you the Monarch like Protector of the Crown and or Crown-Hunter Hireling and get a Skullclamp and maybe a Slate of Ancestry once you can find/trade for/afford one (they're only $1.50 tops)
Cheap Efficient Token Gen: You got a few good ones already a few more worth mentioning, Decree of Justice, Sporemound, Ezuri's Predation, Twilight Drover, and again...maybe later add Rith, the Awakener and or Sigarda, Heron's Grace.
Cheap Pump: Aside from Borrowed Grace, which you could leave in or not, you really only need a few good GLOBAL pump spells spells for finishers. Usually I'd suggest something like Beastmaster Ascension, but in this case again...no synergy with Sidar. I'd probably throw Titanic Ultimatum and Overwhelming Stampede (stronger 1x use versions of Overrun) and also throw a Leonin Sun Standard at the deck for repeated use/abuse after declare blockers step. Those three alone should probably do it.
Cheap Land Base: Aside from basics there are quite a few good lands to run in budget builds in the case of a Naya deck, you've already listed Jungle Shrine (I'd ditch the bounceland), there's also Naya Panorama, Rugged Highlands, Blossoming Sands, Wind-Scarred Crag, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse. I'd run every one of these, and then basics for the rest. (Again, 36-37 total lands for this deck.)
Yea...so ...holy wall of text Batman, hope some of it helps, gl & hf
1 week ago
Yo! You need at least 40 lands (more like 42!) and Burnished Hart (this card is as staple as the come), Wayfarer's Bauble as well as Myriad Landscape. Unless you're cheating, going below 38 lands sucks. Lands (and ramp) are your friends- they let you PLAY the game! 34 lands is 1.2 lands every 5 cards... so unless you're drawing 5 cards every turn you're missing your curve... and then how are you going to cast a commander that costs 10 (and then 12? and then 14?)? Why play the "oops, I didn't draw enough lands" game?