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Sulfurous Springs Discussion
4 days ago
My Sulfurous Springs is ice age. Some prefer the new boarder, but I like this art. The price is lower so will effect trade value.
The Ur-Dragon that I found has an indention in the picture of card. Came out of box with it. Noticeable at an angel, does not effect playabilty. Can provide pics.
All other cards are lp or better.
1 month ago
I was thinking that is where I would start too.
I don't know any others... Any of these I should leave out? I'm not convinced the Graven Cairns, Fetid Heath, Rugged Prairie are all that good but I guess it is a lot similar to the signets I run now. I don't even know why I don't have the pain lands right now they are not prohibitively costed...
1 month ago
Caldera Lake seems like a pointless addition. It enters tapped and can only produce the 2 colors you're splashing at the cost of a life. I wouldn't add Caldera Lake, big drawbacks without much payoff.
As for the Demons. If you really want to go for a tribal deck, you're gonna have to remove most (If not all) creatures that don't share your tribal creature type. (I managed to make a deck that works only using 20 creatures (21 with Commander) that were only tribal correlated, so it is possible for you to try)
Here's a budget friendly 38 card landbase:
Crypt of Agadeem
Path of Ancestry (You will not be able to scry unless you play conspiracy. May I suggest changing Marchesa for Sol'kanar the Swamp King? Yes you lose the Dethrone and being able to return a card by default, but a Tribal deck should be lead by a tribal commander. Your choice entirely)
City of Brass (I don't like it, as it will still deal damage even with Chromatic Lantern in play, but your choice)
Duskmantle, House of Shadow (Put a demon into your gy, reanimate it, or the most obvious approach)
Feel free to make some changes, but these cards are cheap and will help your mana base (If you don't like Bojuka, replace it with a Swamp.)
1 month ago
Byuante Thanks again. I am aware the mana base is terrible and actually this is where I was thinking I could deal with the other issue I had. The deck really needs to be dethroning so that I can do some of the more messed up stuff I want to do. Black Market and my opponents somehow managing to play slower than me are what kept the deck going in the games I did well. The haste comment was just a quick this would be nice before I forget that I thought about it thing.
I'm looking at using
I have grown a distaste for the bounce lands. They will be the first things to go. I don't want to shrink my demon numbers too much but I'm thinking 15 down from 21 is still plenty. Which leaves 3 open spots if I added the pain lands and would have me at 37 lands. So Phyrexian Arena and Swiftfoot Boots. $10 for a land just feels wrong to me... After I improve the deck a bit and play some more I'll consider the shocks again but I don't want to pick them up for a deck and then pull said deck apart...
In the end the deck is trying to be a demon gimmick if I lose too much of that then the obvious bad choices I made like leaving out Chasm Skulker become questions of why did I do that without any answer.
1 month ago
Harsh Mercy / Terminate / Unlicensed Disintegration / Sorin, Solemn Visitor / Sorin, Grim Nemesis / Sign in Blood / Night's Whisper / Path to Exile / Reanimate / Adaptive Automaton / Bad Moon / Deathbringer Liege / Marshaling Cry / Weathered Wayfarer / Dark Tutelage / Painful Truths / Konda's Banner / Vampire Hexmage / Fatal Push / Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter / Defiant Bloodlord / Chancellor of the Dross / Thief of Blood / Battlefield Forge / Caves of Koilos / Sulfurous Springs / Mana Confluence / City of Brass / Olivia, Mobilized for War / Nirkana Revenant / Necropolis Regent / Mephidross Vampire / Guul Draz Overseer / Voldaren Pariah / Fiend of the Shadows / Batterskull / Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet / Bloodline Keeper Flip / Yahenni, Undying Partisan / Stensia Masquerade / Kheru Bloodsucker / Drana, Liberator of Malakir / Victim of Night / Stromkirk Condemned / Gatekeeper of Malakir / Bloodghast / Asylum Visitor / Insolent Neonate / Indulgent Aristocrat / Guul Draz Assassin / Falkenrath Gorger / Cover of Darkness / Shared Triumph / Roar of the Crowd / Patriarch's Bidding / Kindred Charge / Kindred Dominance
1 month ago
Cascading Cataracts / Crystal Quarry / Sylvan Ranger / Rampant Growth / Bloom Tender / Birds of Paradise / Sylvan Caryatid / Utopia Tree / Reflecting Pool / Oblivion Ring / Gruul Signet / Golgari Signet / Simic Signet / Selesnya Signet / Bringer of the Red Dawn / Bringer of the Blue Dawn / Bringer of the Black Dawn / Unclaimed Territory / Cavern of Souls / Keiga, the Tide Star / Breath of Darigaaz / Nissa's Pilgrimage / Explosive Vegetation / Molten Disaster / Subterranean Tremors / Ash Barrens / Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse / Sudden Demise / Fault Line / Beast Within / Dragonlord Dromoka / Sylvan Reclamation / Wear / Tear / Grand Coliseum / City of Brass / Mana Confluence / Fellwar Stone / Solemn Simulacrum / Farhaven Elf / Wood Elves / Heartless Summoning / Urza's Incubator / Sensei's Divining Top / Cyclonic Rift / Reclamation Sage / Urban Evolution / Nature's Lore / Eternal Witness / Skyshroud Claim / Chaos Warp / Manglehorn / Vizier of the Menagerie / Relic of Progenitus / Chromatic Sphere / Chromatic Star / Terrarion / Llanowar Wastes / Shivan Reef / Yavimaya Coast / Karplusan Forest / Sulfurous Springs / Battlefield Forge / Brushland / Caves of Koilos / Night's Whisper / Reanimate / Anguished Unmaking / Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile / Flame Slash / Vindicate / Sarkhan's Triumph / Preordain / Ponder / Brainstorm / Anticipate / Weathered Wayfarer / Safewright Quest / Temple Garden / Breeding Pool / Overgrown Tomb / Stomping Ground / Mirari's Wake / Nature's Claim / Fatal Push / Thunder Dragon / Scourge of Kher Ridges / Skyline Despot / Siege Dragon / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund / Foe-Razer Regent / Eternal Dragon / Dragonlord Atarka / Balefire Dragon / Vorosh, the Hunter / Swift Warkite / Scourge of the Throne / Runehorn Hellkite / Rith, the Awakener / Prossh, Skyraider of Kher / Numot, the Devastator / Noxious Dragon / Mordant Dragon / Harmonize / Ancient Craving / Ambition's Cost / Dragonlord Silumgar / Dragonlord Kolaghan / Destructor Dragon / Darigaaz, the Igniter / Surrak Dragonclaw / Stormbreath Dragon / Sarkhan Unbroken / Necromaster Dragon / Icefall Regent / Hunted Dragon / Glorybringer / Fearsome Awakening / Dragonlord Ojutai / Boltwing Marauder / Thunderbreak Regent / Territorial Hellkite / Skyship Stalker / Dragonloft Idol / Dragon Throne of Tarkir / Dragonsoul Knight / Dragonmaster Outcast / Slumbering Dragon / Omen / Serum Visions / Read the Bones
1 month ago
Hey there, you are not allowed to run Steam Vents or Sulfurous Springs with your commander. I have to say, that your creatures are very mana intensive and it could be hard for you to cast them in time, since you are running very few mana fixing. You could get inspiration here MTG list of EDH Ramp Cards | last update: 11-08-17
Otherwise you could add what you want to do with your deck.
1 month ago
MartialArt These are some changes I would make if I was playing this deck in A general competitive meta, with no budget restrictions. Now I have no idea what your meta is but my goal was to lower your mana curve, and cut some of the less optimal cards. Saying that I have left some because I don't think that you would take them out anyways.
Mana Rocks: First I would take out Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive, Chromatic Lantern, and Gilded Lotus. These cards are slow at three, four, and five mana you want to be doing impactful things, such as Smokestack or Nether Void. So the mana I think you should add is cheap and reliable. Mana Vault, Grim Monolith are great adds for cheap mana positive rocks. Land Tax is slow but powerful making sure you don't miss A land drop if you aren't going first and allows for A easier recovery after A mass land destruction.
Land Destruction: Desolation Angel, and Devastation are both seven mana mass land destruction spells, which by the time you get to them the game could be over, even after A stax piece. Ravages of War is already on your maybe list but I say it is considerably better than both these cards. If you feel like you need another Mass land destruction spell Impending Disaster is the next best one I feel, though it is still far weaker. Seven lands is not hard to have in A four player game between all players, and it could sometimes just be A sudo Standstill for land drops.
Tutors: Having A large number of tutors in the game is needed in cedh to make your deck consistent. Saying that I feel you should add the following tutors Imperial Seal, Gamble, and Grim Tutor. I know gamble has A drawback of discarding A card, but the potential upside is too good to not run. Now I said having tutors is needed, but have expensive tutors slows down the deck so with this I say Diabolic Tutor needs to come out. Four mana is asking for A lot when only searching for something needed. Would you pay eight for A smokestacks?
Other cuts: At this point I have suggested one more card, than I have said to take out. Saying that I see some easy cuts. Crawlspace, Ghostly Prison, and Peacekeeper all cards that stop combat, but Cedh almost no decks use combat to win. So I find these are easy cuts to make. Reveillark is A good card, but without A loop it is just slow as it doesn't even get back sun titan, and I would say no one creature is that important for you to play this card. I'm just letting you know how hard it was for me to leave your six drops alone, I'm just saying. I know why they are in there, it just feels bad seeing them. I feel like you have enough token generation for smokestacks to get crazy so I recommend getting rid of Elspeth, Knight-Errant as A four mana make A 1/1 doesn't do enough. Scrap Mastery may sometimes not do enough, I'm not sure how it has worked out for you, so I can't say much, but I don't think I'm A fan.
Other adds: Null Rod, and Stony Silence are just good mana rock hate. These hurt you too, but you know when they are coming so you get to play around them. Aura of Silence Just A good taxing effect that could be used as removal for trouble artifacts/ enchantments. Karmic Justice is basically A mini Martyr's Bond that doesn't work with smokestacks, could be worth trying.
Mana Base Upgrade: You had to know this was coming. I would add Badlands, Plateau, and Scrubland cutting the pain lands Battlefield Forge, Caves of Koilos, and Sulfurous Springs. I feel like this is an obvious change and I don't have to explain myself here. If you decide to add these in I recommend adding fetches, you have nine to choose from, but I'm only going to say seven, adding more would lower your basic count to a number I'm not comfortable with. I would take out Clifftop Retreat, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Dust Bowl, Ghost Quarter, and two Plains for Polluted Delta, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, Marsh Flats, Verdant Catacombs, and Arid Mesa. I left out the fetches that only got red in your deck. I did this because of red being the least important color to grab, and your blood moon effects makes your mountain count way higher than it looks. For the lands I took out I'm only going to explain the two land hate lands. I find that Dust Bowl is really slow and not worth the time it takes to set that up. As for Ghost Quarter getting rid of a trouble land is fine, but giving your opponent a land is trouble, i would say it's even worse that its a basic, making your blood moon lack weaker.
Personal preference: This is what you prefer Vandalblast vs. Shattering Spree vs. By Force. Read the Bones vs. Painful Truths