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Sulfurous Springs Discussion
1 week ago
Hey, I saw that you were looking for advice and there are a couple things that I could recommend. I'll go over a couple things, but I'll start off with the manabase since you said it was the thing you were looking to change most. Also, it's a bit long, but it should help you for what kind of a manabase makes a competitive one.
First off, there are several good replacements for duals, first and foremost being shocks, but since it looks like you already have those looks like you're already half way there.
Basically I would focus on removing any and all lands that come in tapped, because if you want your deck to be competitive, you need to be sure that every turn you take is as optimized as possible. A turn where you could be doing two manas worth of stuff you are only doing 1 manas worth of stuff which essentially means you are playing a turn behind. It's a bit of a simplistic way of explaining it, but that is the best explanation why without going into too much detail. Other lands I would highly recommend, firstly, are the pain lands. These are very effective replacements as well. ( Sulfurous Springs, Underground River and Shivan Reef ) find homes in many competitive decklists you will find. The filter lands are pretty good replacements as well, as they get you the colors you need with added fixing. They only issue is that the t1 plays they provide can be kind of awkward, but should only be really taken into consideration the faster and faster your deck is; In your case they should be a good fit though! They are Sunken Ruins, Graven Cairns and Cascade Bluffs. Also, it may seem weird, but adding every kind of fetch that can even get you one of your colors effectively gives you access to all the colors you could need! You could run all 9 fetches besides Windswept Heath, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, though if you have to pick and chose I would focus on the ones that give you your most important color (blue) first. This goes the extra mile in truly "optimizing" your mana base, and over the long run it thins your deck and makes it more consistent.
All in all, the changes I would make would look something like this -Canyon Slough, -Crumbling Necropolis, -Grixis Panorama, -Path of Ancestry, -Smoldering Marsh -Sunken Hollow, -Temple of Deceit, -Temple of Epiphany, -Temple of the False God
and do this
+Sulfurous Springs, +Underground River, +Shivan Reef, +Sunken Ruins, +Graven Cairns, +Cascade Bluffs, +Cephalid Coliseum, also these are pretty good, but the worst of the bunch I've recommended, +River of Tears, +Tainted Isle, +Tainted Peak. Additionally Ancient Tomb is amazing as well, so I would recommend that as a long term investment too. (plus it goes in every edh deck ever so it's non-exclusive!).
Apart from lands, there are a couple of things that I think you could use to increase the consistency of your deck and some of the combos that you seem to be going for. Going over enchantment's first, as there is a short list, I would consider taking them all out personally. Search for Azcanta Flip is a more value oriented card popular in decks that try to attain long term value and want games to go long. Storm isn't quite looking for this, and for that, I think it doesn't do enough for what 2 mana will grant you especially if you are looking to "speed up" the deck. Very often competitive decks can't afford to play things that don't do anything right away, so even though the card is great, it needs to fit a certain role in a deck. I also think that Jace's Sanctum also comes to the "too slow" argument as well, but I think that if you are looking at least for a semi-competitive option, this is fine to keep in. Also for Thousand-Year Storm I have seen some discussion floating around in the competitive community that it could work really well as a win con in a similar oriented style deck, but the huge argument is paying 6 mana for a spell that doesn't do anything, or win you the game right away. Regardless, I think for what your deck has going thousand-year storm seems like it could prove well if it is working well for you.
Otherwise, there are just a couple of cards such as Jaya Ballard, and Docent of Perfection Flip that really stuck out to me. Personally, I don't think that the amount of mana they are is really worth the investment, and I would rather play cards that help setup the win. To go off this, I noticed that you were playing Isochron Scepter, so why not replace those other cards and play Dramatic Reversal which is a near 2 card combo with the scepter? To utilize this combo you would need to play more things that tap to give you mana, but adding mana rocks will make your deck faster and I would recommend adding more anyways. In general this combo is low investment, high reward because none of the cards that you play to make the combo work arn't progressing you towards your endgame anyways. For the mana rocks you could add, I would highly consider cards such as Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox which are the high profile options, but for leaning more on a budget any of the signets are also highly viable (Izzet Signet, Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet). In general this will increase the speed of your deck and make it more turbo charged. You won't find many competitive decks without these!
Lastly, I'd just like to briefly mention the best counterspells for competitive EDH. In general it is widely agreed upon that for combo decks in general, you want your counterspells to be as cheap and efficient as possible. Some of the most favored are Force of Will (i saw that you have that one), Pact of Negation, Flusterstorm, Delay, Mana Drain and Swan Song (also on the list). Secondarily, people do play Counterspell but it is often outclassed by the ones I mentioned prior. Also, there are other counterspells that people will play for more narrow purposes and should be played specifically for the meta you are expecting to play in. These are Negate, Mental Misstep, Spell Pierce(only for decks looking to win t2-t3 really),Arcane Denial, Remand etc... (here's a useful link if you want to know more: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/5k0tef/a_lexicon_of_cedh_counterspells_and_some/ )
In general I would cut the counters that are 3+ mana, because there are just better options out there if you go looking, and hopefully that page can give you some good insight for what counterspells are the right choice for you. And that will about wrap things up for me without going in too deep.
Yeah, so I could go over every card piece by piece, but that would probably be an entire article on it's own. It really because what makes a deck "competitive" is kind of an ambiguous term in the grand scheme of things. I'm not 100% sure every recommendation I make fits what you are looking for, so it's hard to analyze what cards are truly good/bad without sitting down and discussing it directly. Also, since there are legitimately several different version of a deck that 1 commander could hold, I think I'll just leave you with some resources that can further your cEDHing. Here are some of the competitive edh resources that I like to visit, and hopefully they can serve you well too!
also here is my Kess storm decklist if you want to take a look!: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nekusar-we-legacy-storm-now-cedh/
It's always good to have another person in the community, so I'm glad that your interest has been peaked! Hope to see you around and feel free to message me if you have any other questions!
1 week ago
I'm thinking that Uba Mask would be some nice draw hate. Here are some good lands
on Budget Jund
3 weeks ago
This is pretty good. +1
I would cut one Hissing Quagmire for a second Treetop Village. Kitchen Finks is also a good budget card to keep you alive long enough to get things going if Scooze and Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip aren't getting it done. Your mana base is very painful with all of the Fetch/Shocking required to play on curve.
Risk Factor is something I've seen a lot of Jund decks adding in. I'm still not sold on it, but I'll be following along to see how it does. Once they realize your playing a budget build, they will most likely take the 4 damage. Though there aren't many giveaways besides Hissing Quagmire, Mishra's Bauble and Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip.
If your budget is $700, I wouldn't waste it on the mana base. Outside of Raging Ravine and Overgrown Tomb there really isn't a need for the rest in a budget build. Sulfurous Springs and Karplusan Forest can go a long way in a budget deck. You have almost $200 tied up in the mana base with Shocks and fetches. That plus your remaining $100 is enough to get a playset of Tarmogoyf. Especially if you cut Grim Flayer. Which, also frees up 2 slots to cut Mishra's Bauble for Lightning Bolt and maybe Abrupt Decay.
You've got a solid build here though. I just think for the budget you have, there are better things to spend it on.
I've got a ~$250 build that uses and +1/+1 Counters to steal games from unprepared opponents.
1 month ago
I can't tell if Sleeper Agent hoses Leyline of Sanctity or not. Seems like it would, because they play that as an anti-burn card. I'm skeptical that you still don't include a Searing Blaze or two to since you have Sleepers to give them. Your turn 3 could be giving them a Sleeper, then waiting until it 2's them, cracking a fetch, and blasting it.
From the other thread, I realized the effectiveness of Gonti's Machinations in Modern, when the manabase can make you lose life like with Bloodstained Mire and Sulfurous Springs, and I think this really applies here, when you can give the opponent power to hit you with Sleeper Agent.
1 month ago
Well, I'll do my best for advice. I'll give you some basic info, stuff that I'm pretty sure we'll agree on, then explain the dilemma I have with some of the deck's more integral parts.
First off, under combos you list Faith's Reward and Merciless Eviction, this doesn't work because the exiling of permanents doesn't put them into the graveyard, but into the exile zone. Also, in combo #9, Sigarda's Aid appears useless, because you already have auto-instant-speed-free-equip-on-entering and instant-speed equipments with Stonehewer Giant.
Other than that, I'd suggest upgrading your landbase with the following cards, dropping tapped lands:
Now to the more controversial (I assume) part of my critque/advice. Really, you need to hone you deck into doing something more specific than Aikido Control Voltron Aggro Combo. It streches your deck too thin to do any.
Well, not exactly, there is a way to do it, but it requires some money, because the name of a deck that can pull off the N>3 where N is equal to the number of strategies type of deck is called Toolbox. A strategy in which a deck runs a selection of 'Tutors' (Enlightened Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Gamble, etc.) and tutor targets, or cards that your most prone to tutoring out to get to position your deck to move into a role of gameplay. This strategy can rarely pull off aggro though, but can do a midrange voltron strategy, such as tutoring an Argentum Armor, Batterskull, and Fireshrieker onto the field, positioned to one-shot whoever looks at you wrong, blowing up a permanent per kill.
Control is fine to toolbox for too, in fact tutoring the right answer to the right problem is exactly where toolbox and control overlap. Aikido less so, due to the need for instant-speed tutoring in many cases, but most of those tutors end up tutoring to top, so it is hard to pull it off.
Combo is where toolbox starts to both shine and fall apart. As soon as you run efficient combo, the best answer to nearly any situation is run a tutor-line and win. No need to tutor a sweeper to kill your opponents' elves when you can just Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Felidar Guardian to make infinite cats and kill each and every one of your opponents. Really, it kind of makes the toolbox irrelevant, yes, when an opponent has Blind Obedience you may have to tutor something to get rid of it, or just, you know, run another combo that doesn't fold to Blind Obedience.
Some people have told me that you'd rather still have a toolbox because you might not have access to two tutors, but in that case, just tutor a Imperial Recruiter, use that to tutor for Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, cast Kiki, copy recruiter, and fetch Felidar Guardian, problem solves. Don't want to pay for Imperial Recruiter? Fetch Recruiter of the Guard and replace Felidar Guardian with Combat Celebrant so you make infinite combat steps instead of infinite cats, less fun, but it still works.
Point is, toolbox isn't a perfect answer to making this deck work the way it was intended, but it can piece it together from the stretched mess it is now. It is simply too inconsistent in the current form, with a mediocre landbase for a mana-hungry deck.
Some options would be to scrap the current build, and go heavy control-stax, with Armageddons, some of the pillowfort you have, and abusing the Monarchy to get back into the game faster than your opponents. This would be backed up by a combo-package used to win the game after success fully locking out your opponents from interacting with you, or playing the game at all.
Another option is to go heavy-combo, with an aim on the midrangy strategy of building up minor defenses so you can set up and combo out around turn 4-5, with decent disruption such as Swords to Plowshares, Inquisition of Kozilek, etc. This stops your opponents from going off before you hjopefull long enough for you to use the tutors at your disposal and win.
For an aggro-voltron strategy, dropping all of your top-end for better voltron cards like Hatred, and speedening up your build with more ramp like Lotus Petal, Grim Monolith, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox, and Mox Diamond should help smoothen it out, aiming to kill a player by turn 3-4, and each following turn knocking out a player. This strategy requires some level of protection for your commander, and a single Swiftfoot Boots won't really cut it. Perhaps changing the commander to something with more protection would help.
Those are my thought on how to better this deck in terms of competitiveness, but honestly I have no idea what you wanted me to do, since you didn't specify your playgroup, budget, amount of hate you can handle, etc. I assumed a decent budget, since it is already at $400+ dollars, an average meta (I didn't know), and all the hate could be taken (Grafted Exoskeleton).
If I was off, just tell me!
3 months ago
Hey man, cool build!!! I love the theme. Basically the plan is stay alive until you can get enough mana to cast them. Without changing up your creatures at all, and keeping Dragon Fodder and Crux of Fate in the mix, we have 16 cards to flex. I would remove all of the other 16 and instead run the following modern staples.
23 lands should look more like this if you want to get serious
3 months ago
Roally, don't you think that City of Brass would be the best cut if looking to swap a pain land for Luxury Suite? City of Brass will ping you for 1 damage even if tapping it as a swamp with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in play. Sulfurous Springs and Mana Confluence won't have that problem.
3 months ago
Hey, awesome deck! I love Licia to no end, I've been looking into her for a while now. I have some suggestions to make your deck stronger
Like Tavern Swindler and Gonti's Machinations. These are great early drops, and concerning licia, they ramp you very fast for no mana required! Instead of Temur Battle Rage and Brute Strength, consider Abzan Falconer and Duelist's Heritage and Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant. Heritage can be used politically, as you inch players not to attack you by promising double strike, and Falconer is amazing, nuf said. I also wanted to mention Illusionist's Bracers, Key to the City, and Ashling's Prerogative, if any of those strike your fancy. Lastly, for the late game, I'd recommend Treasury Thrull, Crypt Ghast, Chandra's Ignition, and Necrologia instead of your Syphon Mind.
The deck looks fine as it is, so it's hard to find cuts. Without testing your deck, the weaker cards seem to be Haunted Cloak, Baneslayer Angel, Josu Vess, Lich Knight, Drana's Emissary, Felidar Sovereign (you've a lot of wincons anyway), and Blood Tribute. Some of the stronger cards I see are Twilight Prophet, Sword of War and Peace, Hide (which I'm adding to my deck as we speak), and Crested Sunmare.
Hope this helps!