Chains of Mephistopheles

Chains of Mephistopheles

Enchantment

If a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player discards a card instead. If the player discards a card this way, he or she draws a card. If the player doesn't discard a card this way, he or she puts the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard.

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Masters Edition (MED) Common
Legends (LEG) Rare

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Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Oldschool 93/94 Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

Chains of Mephistopheles occurrence in decks from the last year

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All decks: 0.01%

Chains of Mephistopheles Discussion

uninvited on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

1 month ago

Spirits

I see where you're coming from. It's going to be very difficult as Mardu doesn't have much options available with low CMC for filtering your deck out.

Simian Spirit Guide will also work with Mausoleum Secrets could be very valuable. I have it in every single one of my decks that contain . Try it out, it's the only way you'll know.

If you're abandoning the combat line and aren't really winning with combat damage then there's no need for Gisela, Blade of Goldnight . Balefire Dragon Can be viable against tokens or stax creatures. Kind of use as a backup? It's better than having to pay life with one time uses such as Fire Covenant and Hatred but maybe Avacyn, Angel of Hope might be the better route to take, especially if you're relying on your permanents to win.

Chains of Mephistopheles I can see being situational, it affects you as well. I like Stranglehold alot but I dislike the , it's too costly for what you have going on. Aven Mindcensor being slightly better but still at it's like Ehh, definitely makes Chains of Mephistopheles the better option only at You also have Spirit of the Labyrinth which is in someway a poor mans chains, only at

I agree about getting a Mox Diamond that is almost a must! Should be next on your list in regards to high ticket cards to get

Spirits on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

1 month ago

Hey uninvited,

Things have been good, deck is performing very well in tournament play considering Kaalia of the Vast being ranked in Tier 4 (high power). Won all three rounds again this weekend.

I've been making changes, some have worked out, some not so much. Still having the same challenge getting the Avg Win Turn down to 4 or below, however, I have seen the combo win-% go up dramatically, almost never kill with combat damage anymore ( Rakdos the Defiler and Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties are the exceptions).

Giving Dockside Extortionist a fair test, so far no feeling either way, hasn't been stellar, hasn't been a disappointment. I put Corpse Dance in to give him an Infinite Combo so he has the best opportunity to impress me, we'll see. He is not my style of card, anything that relies on my opponents doing something, I generally avoid, but still evaluating what he is, recently added.

I've actually removed every (except Hall of the Bandit Lord ) non-T1 land, so Meteor Crater won't meet my criteria. Also trying to cut down on the # of non- Worldgorger Dragon effective lands where I can too (like Sacred Foundry ), that way if I T1 Worldgorger Dragon can make infinite with "most" lands.

I still need to go down 1 land, probably Sunbaked Canyon for Mox Diamond whenever I can get my hands on one (saving up store credit at card kingdom selling stuff I don't need still.

Reflecting Pool , Dragonskull Summit (all check lands), and others have been eliminated, hate not having a on T1. I do like having Swamp and Plains , also note I've added Snow-Covered Swamp as well, to mitigate Blood Moon type effects, and utilize the Path to Exile and Assassin's Trophy (and some other ramp spells) benefits.

Forbidden Orchard is good, but doesn't work great with Master of Cruelties which I still play, mana sourcing is still quite good and consistent anyway, so no need to go the Forbidden Orchard or Tarnished Citadel routes anyway unless makes strategic sense.

Mox Opal just never going there, I ran another Mox Opal probability table this past weekend for a Kess, Dissident Mage friend, I just don't like it, I won't share the whole table, but here is some reasons why. Also, keep in mind, this probability is only the probability of drawing 3 artifacts (assuming you draw a Mox Opal whats the chance you have 2 others), if I were to do P(Drawing 3 artifacts) union P(drawing Mox Opal ) would be VERY low.

T1 with 18 artifacts is only 11%. By turn 5 (ignoring additional draw for now) is only 32%. At 24 artifacts T1 is 22% and T4 (want to win on or before this turn) 52%. 28 artifacts gets close to a good playability at T1 31% and T4 58%, but I feel if Kaalia of the Vast has 28 artifacts, just to engage a Mox Opal you should probably be playing a different commander, because their just aren't that many utility artifacts for Kaalia of the Vast .

Final Parting would allow for a Animate Dead tutor and a Worldgorger Dragon GY, but also need something to do with the infinite mana or have a damage outlet ( Dragon Tempest or Bogardan Hellkite ). So at CMC7 ( Animate Dead is CMC2), I'm better off running a Doomsday pile, which I've also decided is too high CMC.

Diabolic Revelation too much mana. Insidious Dreams is viable, others use it, but for me it's too high CMC again.

Scheming Symmetry is tempting ( Sensei's Divining Top also works), but still don't have enough draw to make it viable. With I think could be viable, but I've also seen it removed by players with draw attached to their commanders, it's just too risky, basically gives your opponent the ability to stop you and then win themselves, likely. If Scheming Symmetry was Instant it could work with Mishra's Bauble and would be a playable/fantastic tutor, but drawing your card on their turn isn't good because our Infinite combos are sorcery speed (you can build an instant speed, but it starts degrading synergy).

Thoughtseize has been fantastic and very useful, plus it's modular ability to get Worldgorger Dragon out of my hand, it's helped me avoid walking into chaos by seeing the control players hand and either knowing or removing a catastrophic play.

Right now pretty sure I need Simian Spirit Guide , the is blah, but he gives me the for Animate Dead on T1, and gives me an Animate Dead target to stop the Worldgorger Dragon loop and play out my hand, hopefully tutors or a Razaketh, the Foulblooded in a perfect scenario. So like Swamp + Entomb + Chrome Mox / Lotus Petal + Simian Spirit Guide + Animate Dead + something to do with mana (tutor probably, don't have Cut in my build) is another T1 win outlet. Tutor Razaketh, the Foulblooded , then sac Simian Spirit Guide to get Leonin Relic-Warder into Dance of the Dead and tutor up a Goblin Bombardment and a Necromancy with infinite tutor (bound by life but it's T1 and only need 2 tutors = 4 life), and then infinite damage. Hoping it will just give me another T1 path to win, which should inevitably lower my Avg win turn at some point.

Talisman of Conviction is on the potential cutting block, it's great net rock, but no .

I'm thinking of abandoning the combat damage line, so Gisela, Blade of Goldnight would go, but not quite there yet. Most don't like Avacyn, Angel of Hope , as removal is usually exile, hand or changes it's board state, rarely destroy, but gives an option from destroy effects, so I don't know yet. I took Balefire Dragon out, think I still need him, he probably could be a Fire Covenant but I like my control on my ADD, my interaction package is a little light I know that, only because I prefer to just try and win, opposed to trying to stop others from winning, just a philosophy, don't think it costs me wins.

Running out of ideas, doing research on Discord, going to look through a bunch more decks, already did comparisons to the Primers there, I'm never going Stax Ob Nixilis, Unshackled or maybe Aven Mindcensor / Chains of Mephistopheles maybe ill win the lotto one day / Stranglehold as far as I'll go if I do go that route.

Cheers.

Spirits on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

1 month ago

Hi weezel,

You're right Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard need a Sneak Attack line to make sense. I'll do some more research next week, see if there's something else.

I'm hoping for a Mox Diamond maybe for Xmas, also sold some more prize pack cards, getting close. Need 3 Mox Diamond for decks, and still needing a Gaea's Cradle . Chains of Mephistopheles is nice, if I had one would play it, it's low on the acquireboard though with it's price tag.

Aven Mindcensor hoping to slow down other players tutoring, we'll see how it goes.

Decided to give Dockside Extortionist a go, I'm worried he'll be too slow, but if he can pull me 4-6 mana on T2 will be ok, have to see. I've committed to the testing of him, threw Corpse Dance in there to get the Dockside Extortionist + Corpse Dance + Goblin Bombardment line (a 4th). Hoping he works. If he works, but Corpse Dance too high CMC, I'll have to decide if he viable on his own, I suspect he is.

Reveillark combod with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker but as you know Buried Alive + Reanimate or Animate Dead is the primary win-con and almost exclusively used unless stopped somehow. Most games, just go for it, if stopped, probably no time to get another shot as someone else will combo same/next turn.

Still haven't used the Worldgorger Dragon , it's a little more mana friendly than Reveillark in it's Entomb + Animate Dead . It can generate the infinite mana to play a Razaketh, the Foulblooded (from hand) and Kaalia of the Vast to sac for a Leonin Relic-Warder win-con. He also works with guys like Rune-Scarred Demon to draw whole library, or Angel of Despair to destroy all opponents permanents, then kill herself before she kills all your permanents, Karmic Guide return all your creatures. Also, can instant tutor up a Bogardan Hellkite to win. I dunno though, it's a 3rd line. It annoys me if pushed a CMC3 recurssion, in Necromancy into the deck, and with Corpse Dance for the Dockside Extortionist test, CMC getting out of control. Still working on rounding it out for the new test cards.

Hoping for a Mox Diamond but also just sell a few more cards, so it's imminent. Play Chains of Mephistopheles if you have one.

Giving up on Doomsday , cheapest non- Kaalia of the Vast is CMC6. Some play Insidious Dreams as an instant alternative, but CMC4, as well as have to have cards to discard, can't see it being fast enough.

weezel on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

1 month ago

Spirits

I practice a lot with my pod and that's where I do alot of deck revising. Even though my pod is competitive, the decks still vary and are different compared to tournament play. So it's always a battle of which cards to keep or switch out.

I still haven't had any time to play or look through the deck; but wanted to comment still just on my experience which I'm sure is different than yours.

You stated you switched out Reveillark for Worldgorger Dragon and that you have yet to use the Worldgorger Dragon combo and the same is with me. I have yet to use it and feel as of now, its taking up slots. I want to say, I have used Reveillark while it was in the deck. So based off these two cards alone and nothing else, I would add Reveillark back just based off the fact I've used it and have yet to use Worldgorger Dragon

After stating that, I am 100% behind buffing up Line 1 or Line 2. With the addition of Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard although it looks great on paper, seeing the capabilities they'll add, it does in fact take you way outside your scope; they are incredibly great tutors but I feel the synergy lacks, by that meaning there is no snowball It's a One and Done deal. Let's say you do add in these two in place of WGD and BHK. What is the probability of you drawing into them? If you draw into a Demonic Tutor on T2 are you really going to tutor for either one of those cards? I dont think so, I feel they are cards that will be useful midway in your game or if the first 2 lines are disrupted.

I use Imperial Recruiter in my Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck but that's because it synergizes so well. Allowing me to tutor for one goblin, after another, after another allowing them to hit the battlefield that same turn with their low CMC and act as enablers. Thus, ending the game that turn.

You have more experience and you know this deck a hell of a lot more than I do. So that is also where things might make more sense to you as to me. I'm still learning it, so my opinions might not make sense.

I have Mox Diamond in the deck and it has worked greatly. I wouldn't think twice about taking it out. If you're able to do so, I would highly suggest adding it. Also you added Aven Mindcensor , why the addition of Chains of Mephistopheles ? which synergizes with Mausoleum Secrets but is it to Prevent additional card draw for the low CMC it provides? Act as a Thoughtseize if you're stuck with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker allowing you to discard? If you have Aven Mindcensor why not go the route of adding in Stranglehold and/or even Maralen of the Mornsong . Why not test out that route? Instead of trying to get away with adding Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard . I understand you're trying to stay in the lines of comboing and trying to go off but It's just a thought.

I have Sire Of Insanity in the deck, one game I got Kaalia of the Vast out and swinging on T2 dumping Sire Of Insanity onto the field. That completely disrupted the game. I drew into Avacyn, Angel of Hope on T3 and everyone ended up scooping by T6. Luck of the draw, I thought it was quite fun and funny. By doing so, I had no intentions of any combos which is why I played it to begin with.

There was also one point where I had added Altar of the Brood and Felidar Guardian . Using the Buried Alive Combo but instead dumping Karmic Guide , Restoration Angel and Felidar Guardian . I understand there is an additional step by having to dump Altar of the Brood onto the field making it a step slower but with its low CMC cost, it's not that difficult. Also, I would only tutor up that combo if Altar of the Brood was in my opening hand. I also would pull it off after they were expecting the Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combo, so it added a bit of confusion.

As with anything in this game, you just got to throw things in and play the games out. That's really the only way you'll get any idea if it'll work or not. seeing it on paper looks nice but how well will it actually perform? It's just time consuming because it isn't like we can play 100 games back to back to figure out what cards can stay and go.

I'm definitely going to try and get some games in over the holidays, i'll get back to you with what cards I have in that are different to yours. Let me know your thoughts and suggestions. Keep us updated.

Spirits on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

2 months ago

Hi weezel,

Quick reply. I'll wait for your other comments and differential list.

I added Worldgorger Dragon in and took Reveillark out, Reveillark was not working, thought Worldgorger Dragon would give me a line with Dragon Tempest so it's another possible draw ( Goblin Bombardment or Dragon Tempest ), but I've never used it honestly. It also led to Bogardan Hellkite (he's AWFUL, but instant {flash} win with WGD) and Thoughtseize and Necromancy additions.

After this weekend's tournament, I was talking with my friend about getting away from a third line, Buried Alive + Reanimate is line 1, Leonin Relic-Warder + Animate Dead (or Necromancy ) + Goblin Bombardment is line 2, Worldgorger Dragon + Animate Dead (or Necromancy ) + Dragon Tempest or Bogardan Hellkite is line 3.

I was thinking, double down on Line 1 and Line 2, throw away line 3, this is how I was thinking to do it.

Add: Imperial Recruiter , he can tutor Leonin Relic-Warder for line 2, also strengthens Diabolic Intent for line 1, and Mausoleum Secrets also for line 1. He can also tutor Master of Cruelties synergy. Replace Worldgorger Dragon .

Add: Recruiter of the Guard , same, tutor Leonin Relic-Warder for line 2, strengthen Diabolic Intent and Mausoleum Secrets for line 1. Replace Bogardan Hellkite

Add: Dockside Extortionist , I just added him after the tournament, so have never actually played him yet to know how good he is. I'm thinking 3 mana? Maybe 4 mana? The reason I went him, is to also strengthen Diabolic Intent and Mausoleum Secrets for line 1. PS: Simian Spirit Guide would strengthen Mausoleum Secrets but not Diabolic Intent , and also increase your Turn 1 probability and possibility. I'll let you know how he works out (if I end up keeping him to play). This replaced Demonic Consultation it doesn't work, I was planning on trying Plunge into Darkness but feel will have similar challenges as Demonic Consultation but haven't tried it yet keep flip-flopping on what to try next.

With no Worldgorger Dragon frees up the Thoughtseize slot, could be a Silence , Fellwar Stone , Night's Whisper , or Fire Covenant hmm. Honestly I would make it a Mox Diamond or Chains of Mephistopheles if I owned either of them, which I do not sadly. Hoping for a good Q2 bonus and get some Mox Diamond s.

Aven Mindcensor should be in the deck, but with no Worldgorger Dragon or Bogardan Hellkite worried I may need to up my ADD count by 1 or 2, Sire Of Insanity maybe.

Necromancy and Yawgmoth's Will could come out for high CMC, but think need the redundancy/recursion, even with no WGD.

Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard have Infinite combo lines too, but they get so far outside of the scope. I feel like these guys can tutor good stuff too, like Dockside Extortionist , Dark Confidant , Serra Ascendant , etc.

ClockworkSwordfish on Card names

2 months ago

I mean... Chains of Mephistopheles , maybe?

SideBae on Kess Storm, Now Without Lab Man

3 months ago

So I'm not sure, but I don't think Tendrils of Agony is very good in EDH. In general, you need a storm count of around 40+ to kill everyone with it (assuming they've taken significant damage beforehand), so I think your Aetherflux Reservoir is probably just a better storm win condition. Also, if you cut Tendrils of Agony for a cheaper card, it won't ding you so hard off Ad Nauseam . I have a similar problem with Grapeshot .

I've never been a fan of Helm of Awakening . Your experience with it may (obviously) differ from mine, but I tend to find it a dead-ish card in my hand. Running it out and passing is obviously problematic (since the effect is symmetrical), so generally you only want to run it if you can slam it and win on the same turn. With that in mind, you may just be better off running a mana rock (something like Arcane Signet ), since you can land that early-game and benefit until the end, rather than just at the end.

If you're planning to win off of Doomsday , I think you should keep Gush in the list. Yes, it is 5 damage of Ad Nauseam , but being able to dig two-deep and potentially snag a land-drop for free after a Doomsday is REALLY powerful.

In my Kess list, I run Dack Fayden . I really like him, and you should at least consider running him. The loot effect is significant, but being able to steal a Sol Ring or Mana Crypt from an opponent is even better.

You have a good number of mana-positive rocks... have you considered running Paradoxical Outcome ? It seems like kinda a funky choice, but I run it in my Kess storm list and I've had pretty good results with it. Obviously it'll be better once you get a Mox Diamond , but even with just the Chrome Mox , Mana Vault and friends it'll be pretty good.

My last suggestion is that you consider running Spell Snare . A lot of the hate that turns off decks like this is two mana (see Collector Ouphe , Gaddock Teeg , Rest in Peace , Stony Silence , Null Rod , Sphere of Resistance , Thorn of Amethyst , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Chains of Mephistopheles ), as are mana counterspells and even a few always-plays like Cyclonic Rift . I think Spell Snare is a highly underrated card, provided you're playing at a competitive table, so... yeah. I think you should consider it.

Spirits on Kaalia, Mirror Breaker EDH

4 months ago

Hey realsoupersand,

How do you feel about Chains of Mephistopheles , shuts down the card advantage of draw, but still lets the search through their library. Mass draw like Enter the Infinite wield yield very little result. It's also a way for me to discard a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or Worldgorger Dragon (or any combo guys) if they are in my hand for CMC2?

Beseech the Queen can be a CMC3 tutor which is still reasonable, but has a restriction against it bound by lands, but I always need Reanimate or Animate Dead likely pulls those no problem?

Mishra's Bauble , doesn't help for T1 win, however, it makes T2 better, also, it's a CMC0 that may support getting Mox Opal in there? What do you think?

Crucible of Worlds always feels too slow, CMC3, and no MLD seems advantageous, but with a fetch land, it ramps pretty good? Still too slow though.

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