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Demonic Consultation Discussion
3 weeks ago
Prodigal Sorcerer + Aphetto Alchemist + Illusionist's Bracers = infinite direct damage. Bracers are good in your deck anyway, so put that in.
Azami + Mind Over Matter = loot your entire deck at instant speed. Throw in an Eldrazi to shuffle things back in and you can filter to any card you want and shuffle the rest if need be. Throw in a Laboratory Maniac and you can just straight win the game on the spot. Also, you can use Temple Bell instead of Azami, which forces your opponents to draw their entire decks at instant speed, one card at a time, eventually killing them if they don't find an answer. If you're going to run Maniac, you might as well also run Demonic Consultation. You can name something you don't have like Sorrow's Path and exile your deck for one mana. Only do that when your opponents can't kill your Maniac, obviously, then draw a card, hopefully at instant speed, to win the game. More Tutor effects should be played to find these combo pieces if you go this route. Diabolic Tutor, Planar Portal, Vampiric Tutor, Cruel Tutor, Grim Tutor, and Fabricate come to mind. I suppose Tezzeret the Seeker as well, since it's just a good EDH card in general because it's so good with Mana Vault, Basalt Monolith, Sol Ring, Worn Powerstone, etc. Also, you need a bunch more artifact acceleration. Not a ton, since your curve is actually pretty low for an EDH deck, but you should always have at least one accelerator in each game you play. Generally that means you want 9-10-11 in your deck to statistically make it likely that you'll have one in the first few turns where jumping ahead helps the most.
Duress, Thoughtseize, and all singular targeted discard spells are not good in the format. Imagine drawing Thoughtseize right after your opponent casts Insurrection. D'oh. Myojin of Night's Reach, Amnesia, and Wit's End are much more worthwhile if you need discard, and cheap counterspells are even better. Dissipate and Desertion are the best.
I know you want to play Wizards, but they're not a tribe you should build a deck around just because you can. You're much better off playing Aboshan, Cephalid Emperor and Evil Twin than Esper Stormblade or Windwright Mage, which are nowhere near the power level of the format. Same goes for Esper Sojourners, Architects of Will, etc. You're a blue deck, so you have basically no shot against resolved giant Eldrazi creatures, so you should play some Clone effects to catch you up and ways to steal their gigantosauruses like Control Magic, Bribery, and Treachery, the latter two being mentioned above. Don't do Sower of Temptation just because it's a wizard because it has a classic case of DTE, Dies To Everything disease. The one tribal card that I would advocate playing is Sage of Fables.
You need some additional draws and filtration, since right now you're playing off the top of your deck with really no card selection. I guess Information Dealer is a Wizard, so that might be useful. It's certainly better than Disruptive Pitmage and Mundungu. Respect for Mundungu, though. That's a deep cut. It just isn't good since it dies to every sweeper in the game and soft counters are bad in EDH. Your green opponent will not care if their Kamahl costs 7 instead of 6. They'll have the mana every time. You'll want to get Land Tax + Scroll Rack, Sensei's Divining Top, and Monastery Siege to help filter your draws and Phyrexian Arena and Mind's Eye. Thassa is a good start, but right now, it's very lonely.
Death Grasp costs too much mana to be useful. It takes an entire turn to kill something, and that's just inefficient. Your deck is rarely going to be able to just torch somebody out by going to the face. Karn Liberated is better. You need a few large game-ending threats. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Wurmcoil Engine, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Mindslaver + Academy Ruins, what have you. You're not going to beat a hoard of dragons with Patron Wizard beatdown. That's why I'd also push those combos, since you're unlikely to win through conventional combat.
2 months ago
I playtested your build, and I almost went with it. My biggest issue was that it was entirely dependent on a good hand to pull it off (especially true in EDH; it's easier to do in 60-card decks). It may well be inherent in Storm decks, but it seemed draw dependent (and I hate Demonic Consultation).
Good try though; I almost went with it, so that's something. :)
3 months ago
Brain Freeze I think is a card to bring in for a control match-up. My thought process is that in the middle of a counterspell/removal war, Brain Freezing the opponent can be huge. To mill out a total deck you would need 14 spells on the stack. The lower their deck gets the better Brain Freeze gets. Same with my own. I can juke and Freeze myself. It's really cute, and I see it in a matchup against another control-esque deck. Or Hyper-Aggro. Pretty much anything I can value it against.
I don't like Personal Tutor.
Abolisher is now in the board.
I think Cunning Wish is what I want to do with this deck. Hahaha.
4 months ago
The etb counter triggers are definitely a good idea to go for budget Alesha, however you must remember that the more closer you get to being a value town deck, the more you need to rely on your commander to win. Thusly I suggest some protection for your deck. Darksteel Plate, Swiftfoot Boots, Mask of Avacyn, Shield of Kaldra and Basilisk Collar all help out alesha.
As for other cards, the titans are always powerhouses. Inferno Titan, Grave Titan and Sun Titan will definitely help you out. Steelshaper's Gift and Stonehewer Giant will help get the equipments you need to protect Alesha.
Finally, for the infinite combo, don't forget to include tutors. Things like Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Dimir House Guard, Beseech the Queen, Enlightened Tutor, Insidious Dreams, Tainted Pact and Demonic Consultation. While many of these are fairly pricey, they are all things to look out for.
I've built Alesha in both directions, the value town and the infinite combo. I only kept the infinite combo variant, so I'll post it here for you to get some insight on certain things to use.
4 months ago
How often have you hit the Demonic Consultation and Laboratory Maniac combo? I am thinking of adding that to my Oloro deck, since it you name Mountain or something with the Consultation and then play the Maniac and then a draw spell. It just seems like a hilarious win-con.
4 months ago
Is this a legal action?
(If I must have a legal target in my deck, I can take care of that.)
5 months ago
I am looking for a third infinite self milling combo. That or I should remove Demonic Consultation. I managed to exile all of my infinite mill win cons with it. I am also thinking of adding cards like Pernicious Deed, Toxic Deluge, and/or Damnation in place of Concordant Crossroads. I am open to all suggestions. Thanks in advance.
5 months ago
I love using Demonic Consultation in some of my proxied vintage decks and block constructed (especially with Necropotence), but the inherent risk in a singleton format is too much. And Cruel Tutor is too inefficient compared to the others I already have, but I am grateful for your ideas.
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