Force of Will

Legality

Format Legality
Arena [BETA] Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
MTGO Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Masterpiece Series: Amonkhet Invocations (AKHMPS) Common
Eternal Masters (EMA) Mythic Rare
Vintage Masters (VMA) Uncommon
Masters Edition (MED) Common
Alliances (ALL) Uncommon
Promo Set (000) Uncommon

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Force of Will

Instant

You may pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand from the game rather than pay Force of Will's mana cost.

Counter target spell.

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Force of Will Discussion

SynergyBuild on Izzet's Divide and Conquer

1 day ago

Two stax lists, a midrange list, and five combo lists, all are tier one, and this had not won a single game against them.

I understand that "Competitive is far more than rushing through the first turns for a win, it about gaining of hold of every advantage the deck offers with the given hand and draws." I started this by going over the three competitive archetypes, combo, stax and control, this lists offers about nothing to all three of those archetypes.


Your list runs no powerful combos, no stax locks, and extremely little control. Your commander synergies very little with the deck, and runs no ramp, minimal card draw, and bad countermagic.


Lets take a look at this deck considered competitive:

What can you do turn one to a random hand against Food Chain Tazri, they can turn one a Bloodstained Mire into an Underground Sea, and cast an Vampiric Tutor for a Food Chain on your end step.

The best you can do is a Tome Scour, of course this won't mill the card on top, as they did it on your end step, but whatever.

Wow, you have all of 1 card that is actually castable turn 1. Half of your non-land cards require 4+ mana to cast. Many cEDH decks require 3 or less mana to cast every spell in their deck. You run all of 0 pieces of ramp, and no efficient way to win a game against those decks cosnidering even your commander won't cheat them out until turn 8 on your curve.

That is fine though, that means you aren't a fast-paced combo build, it doesn't mean you are not competitive though, stax and control can be great decks, that win very late in the game, turn 8-20 occasionally are when they win.

Stax decks attempt to shut out their combo opponents, you opponent over with Food Chain + Eternal Scourge trying to make infinite mana? Sphere of Safety shuts them down. Try to go off with turns in Narset, Enlightened Master, Stranglehold that. Trying to beat my face in with Blood Pod, Moat that. Then I will go off with infinite flying Pestermite tokens turn 13 with Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker after all of you can't do anything.

What does this deck have in terms of stax?

Well, it has War Tax, which require mana that you cannot efficiently use against a Blood Pod deck, as they will stax you out before you them, Armageddon and Ravages of War are a blowout to this deck since you don't run artifact or creature mana. Propaganda would be a better choice, despite not being good enough a choice to make this deck competitive.

Opposition and Aphetto Grifter are decent options for token builds with tons of creatures, on the upkeep of an opponent's turn, you tap down all of their lands, it is pretty good, but as this deck can't do that before it will die, they aren't very good at a competitive table.

Frozen AEther this is truely the best stax you run, it can stop some Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combos, slows down other peoples mana in terms of dorks, rocks, and lands. It is also good as it doesn't affect you, if you could run a Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault or anything to make it come down before your opponents win, then it might be useful.

Urabrask the Hidden it is a bad version of Frozen AEther, you don't need haste to combo out or anything, and it just is slow and clunk and easy to remove.

Fatespinner at least it is in your tribe, otherwise it would just occasionally deny 1 or 2 damage, any time a player needs combat, they win that turn. If they do, they you deny a card, and die immediately after, otherwise they take away a combat they wouldn't need anyway.

Orbs of Warding good card if it was a couple mana less, or you could control/stax a game to pull it off, otherwise it doesn't need to be here.

All in all, you aren't a stax deck, you run little to no good stax cards, the few you run that sees play require ramp.


Well, I guess this is a bad cEDH deck, or control. You run 21 spells that could be used as removal or countermagic, 10 that are 4 or less mana. This is awful for a control deck, unless they are Force of Will and just look like 5 mana, or you run a lot of ramp, sadly neither are true.


Again, this is not a bad deck, simply a casual one, not cEDH material. That is why your list isn't competitive, yes, I have run a spellshaper tribal Damia deck at state level play, not a tournament at state level, just a game at a grand prix side event. That deck isn't good, but it is fun. State level play means nothing. cEDH is actual competitive decks, unlike this one, playing at the upper echelons of the format, in fact, it is so different compared to normal EDH, that is it called cEDH.

This may be winning games where you play, but I have tested it, and I implore you to sit down next to some good stax and fast-paced combo players, against $5600 The Gitrog Monster builds, $6000 General Tazri builds, $5000 Teferi, Temporal Archmage builds, and tell me this deck will win a game against them.

You are wrong, not based on my own opinion, but with playtesting a deck that supposedly wins by turn 10 at the slowest, goldfishing it.

I have yet to see another deck in ALL OF CEDH, that goldfishes a win, or complete stax lock down past turn 6, ever.


Your deck is misleading by using the hub "competitive", all I want is for you to remove it.

SynergyBuild on Sultai Combo (WECIC)

3 days ago

Survival of the Fittest, Apprentice Necromancer, and Force of Will are being run in place of Manipulate Fate, Extract, and Foresight for now. I will test with these because it seemed to not make the deck function any worse.

Draglord_Sim on Card creation challenge

1 week ago

Storm, the Crow

Legendary Creature - Bird 1/2

Flying

Storm the Crow, descending winter unending. Storm, the Crow departing, summer is starting.

Although it looks harmless, it would automatically be banned, because you could play Counterspell, Force of Will AND Mana Drain in the same deck. Instabanned!

On second thoughts, this doesn't fulfill the challenge because it isn't "ok", so I'm going to re-issue the challenge:

Make a Commander that seems okay, than explain why it would get the banhammer as has been happening recently.

SynergyBuild on I’m Flexin my T-Rex

1 week ago

With only 20 other blue spells, does Force of Will do its job in your deck? I was under the impression that 30-35 should be the minimum number of blue spells when running Force of Will.

johnito on protean weaver

1 week ago

Why is there no Pact of Negation or Force of Will? Free counters seem very good in this style of combo deck.

SynergyBuild on Solitaire

2 weeks ago

"Consistently".

Maybe in a vacuum, but with Force of Will, Stifle, Swan Song, Dispel, Spell Pierce, and Silence running around, the win isn't assured.

(Silence is a trick where if you respond to Narcomoeba's trigger with it, they can't cast the Dread Return/Fatestitcher required for the win, so they can't go off and lose to drawing. Memory's Journey is used to prevent that from being an instant loss, but with any counterspell, they are as good as dead.)

CyberLynx07 on My Time Vault Dream Deck

2 weeks ago

Just run the traditional counter spell suite, Force of Will, Cryptic Command, Mana Leak, etc., then play some Snapcaster Mages. If you can reach your infinite turns with the key and the vault, you can just beat face with the Snapcasters. Also, I'd recommend swapping Feast or Famine for something like Fatal Push, Go for the Throat, or Doom Blade. Also some good old fashion hand disruption would help massively. Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, and Collective Brutality are the best ones

Boza on Gold-Bordered Card Prices

2 weeks ago

Yes, a general indicator is 1/10th of the price of the original card. BTW, if you play Canadian Highlander, gold-bordered cards are perfectly legal for use in that format. I paid 6 euro for my gold-bordered Force of Will and I am getting a lot of mileage out of it.

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