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- Target player gains 7 life.
- Put target noncreature permanent on top of its owner's library.
- Target player shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.
- Search your library for a creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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Primal Command Discussion
3 hours ago
This is a very land-light deck and Burgeoning will mostly only drop one or two lands maximum for a card. It also doesn't put counters on Animar, can't be tutored for, and is a bad draw at any time except turn one to drop a turn two Animar. Carpet of Flowers more consistently ramps this deck into a turn two Animar and still doesn't deserve a spot because just getting a turn two animar by spending a mana isn't enough, it normally has to either be free like Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox or the similar effects or be a creature like Birds of Paradise.
Venser, Shaper Savant is not useful in the same way Man-o'-War is, being that both can bounce themselves, but Man o' War can do it for half the mana, putting twice the +1/+1 counters that Venser will on Animar. This is a huge difference when you need a number of counters to cast a game-winning spell by turn 4 or trying to win right there.
Against Red Removal, Blasphemous Act type effects are unaffected by Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots, so I assume this isn't your problem. Against Lightning Bolt effects stuff like Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, Pact of Negation, and Mental Misstep can counter as well as just putting a few counters on Animar, Soul of Elements. Against Chaos Warp, we still have Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, though you could run some cards like Swan Song and Dispel can be flex slots. They also happen to slow your opponents down if they try to combo out.
Against Blue Removal, which I assume is your problem, Chain of Vapor, Into the Roil, Rapid Hybridization and Cyclonic Rift can still be blocked with Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, but also can be blocked by some of the flex slots I talked about prior.
Green removal is pretty much just Beast Within and Song of the Dryads and is generally rare, but if it is really hurting your, Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation can stop them all, and Caustic Caterpillar, Brutalizer Exarch, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger can deal with Song of the Dryads type effects.
Now while I respect your opinion in your meta on the use and capability of Emrakul, the Promised End, in this deck it commonly reduces it's cost by 1-3 mana, and can be reduced by 4-7 on a mid-sized Animar, Soul of Elements like you said, so 5-10 mana on normal by turns 5-6, or mid game. Even saying it costs is pushing it and if that is the case, you should run it if your meta is overrun with decks that are ruined by it. However due to the top tiered decks normally running a high number of instants that can be used to disable their own ability, think Chain of Vapor, they could commonly stop you from ruining themselves too bad in response to the ability before their turn. Rarely can it do more than a Word of Command because of stuff like that. Even if it just killed target player, like you said about swinging in with a swoll Animar, it doesn't win you the game to kill one player.
Again, that is only the reason that it isn't good enough for JMCraig to toss it in with the goal of this for cEDH decks, but if it works in your playgroup, do it! I have only the best wishes for you and your Animar deck!
You want a backup-backup plan I think was that second-to-last line? I don't understand why you think that is nessecary, but I will go over the plan:
Main Plan : Animar + Statue + Outlet = Win
Backup Plan : Kiki-jiki + Untapper = Win
We have a backup plan, why do you assume we need another?
You seemed to argue for Tishana over Big Kozi, but Kozilek, Butcher of Truth does have other use in the deck, and I would argue is better with a pumped Animar than Tishana. It can be free if you need a wincon and have Ancestral Statued Animar, Soul of Elements to infinity and beyond and just need to win, but don't have much more mana, Kozi is free, also with Survival of the Fittest you can fetch him and discard him to reshuffle your yard back in if you couldn't otherwise get back a card. Due to the discard being the cost, you could then fetch out a card that was in your graveyard when you fetched, making a really cool Primal Command effect for and a Survival of the Fittest.
Arguing Tishana can be fetched with Fierce Empath is fair, no arguement here, and it is even a decent option, but Imperial Recruiter has a ton of much better options, like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to copy the recruiter fetching Deceiver Exarch and winning the game. I can't think of a game I have ever played with Animar in which I wished I had a tishana to fetch with Imperial Recruiter. But yes, it isn't technically wrong.
The last thing I want to cover was one of your first points, about the lack of outlets to win with Ancestral Statue, with Purphoros, God of the Forge and Walking Ballista being the outlets of choice, if you have found problems tutoring tehm out, try also running Reckless Fireweaver. It doesn't combo with Man-o'-War or Shrieking Drake, but is still very useful.
3 days ago
Looks great to me, friend! You might add some modal spells like Primal Command, Mystic Confluence, Simic Charm (maybe), etc. That might increase your flexibility when it comes to beating different kinds of combo.
Also, I would guess that some dedicated graveyard hate might not be amiss. Scavenging Ooze, the new Ooze from C18, Ground Seal, or blue shuffle effects like Learn from the Past can help you beat cutthroat grave synergies. More hate includes Molder Slug, Rebuild, etc.
Things to cut, potentially your more durdly artifacts like Thaumatic Compass Flip, The Immortal Sun, Treasure Map Flip...but those are also fun to play, so I won't stop you. All my suggestions, though, are very situational and meta-dependent, because it looks like you've done a great job with the basics! And congrats on your strong game night performance with this deck! Cheers!
5 days ago
Ok, this deck has a simple problem. Rather than building win-cons, you've filled a lot of card slots with big, game-ending spells. I'm seeing four combos and big creatures.
The issue with doing this can be explained pretty quickly- Combo cards are effectively blank until you get both parts of them, and high mana cost cards are blank until you can cast them. Most of the game is how you get to your big stuff, rather than staring at them in your hand and wishing you could use them, so that should be reflected on how much of your deck is 'I win if I cast this' compared to 'I need to survive to cast this'.
This basically means that this deck consists of Predator Ooze, Heritage Druid Noble Hierarch Essence Warden and Champion of Lambholt, but your hands will only have one or two of them at most. In modern, most decks will have two removal spells and a way of winning by turn five, so you will lose against most decks unless you get very lucky.
There are some simple solutions to this. This genreally means reducing the number of combo cards while increasing your ways to make sure that they arent 'blank'. Tutors, pseudo tutors, making sure your combos are good without both halves.
You don't want to be attacking enough for Dense Canopy to reliably provide value, so its normally blank- you can replace it. Similarly, Spring Cleaning/Primeval Light takes a long time to be useful, while something like (Felidar Cub/Keening Apparition/Kami of Ancient Law or in particular Qasali Pridemage or Thrashing Brontodon can be bears and destroy all the important stuff the turn evening resolves- its still basically a wipe, its just useful prior to being a wipe.
Your only black cards are Sanguine Bond/Exquisite Blood. They end the game, but without four of each (and Vizkopa Guildmage) it is difficult for them to be in your hand and to reliably cast them. Spells like Zealous Persecution Mortify or Anguished Unmaking could play well with different gamplans but you should cut both of them, and focus more on two colours, as the mana is a lot easier to provide (as cards you can't cast are basically blank).
So, when you are looking at a card in this deck or to add to this deck, think through several things. 'How does it help me' 'When does it help me' and 'when don't I want it'. This means finding versatile cards which can destroy enchantments but are also creatures or have multiple modes (hello Austere Command/Primal Command). Try to pick cards that don't just help with one of your gamplans, but all your gameplans. Similarly. if a gamplan just isn't working out, consider cutting it for more support, or cutting something else to support it more.
I really reccomend focussing on 1 drops that help generate mana/life, and 5 drops that have a big impact the moment they are played (Thragtusk, Painful Quandary) etc. A set of 2/3 mana cards that form your combos or can search your library for them (Idyllic Tutor, Lost Auramancers etc) and a smaller number of wincons. Foccusing in on what you want to do really helps you with picking cards that help you get there.
1 week ago
The deck looks like it basically does nothing until it can get Jodah into play, taking about 4-5 turns to do so unless you're lucky with your ramp. I'd actually recommend dropping about 5 more cards for more ramp so you can get Jodah down earlier more consistently so that you can plop threats onto the board (which will also help with paying for Jodah's increasing Commander tax, because no way your opponents let you keep him with your deck being almost entirely designed around him).
-2 lands to 38, and then drop Progenitus (he's neat but he takes 4 hits at least to kill someone. That's nothing in relation to Blightsteel Colossus), Ugin doesn't seem that great here (the exile ability works best in artifact or colorless-centric decks. You are not that), and Worst Fears can go (there are better, more repeatable effects for this). Add in Burgeoning/Exploration, Bloom Tender (this will produce stupid mana in this deck lol), Fellwar Stone, Mox Amber (seems reasonable enough with this many legendary cards, though Manalith could also function well enough for t4 Jodah). That should help as you won't just be doing nothing for the first 1-4 turns of the game, playing lands and maybe 1 card until you can hit Jodah mana.
Also, you're way too all-in on Jodah's ability. You can spend WUBRG to get a draw engine going, yes, but that's no reason to avoid cheaper, and oftentimes better, draw/tax engines like Rhystic Study. Tutors would go a long way toward improving your consistency, so things like Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Worldly Tutor, Eldritch Evolution, Chord of Calling, Eladamri's Call, Enlightened Tutor, Mystical Tutor, Primal Command, etc., would go a long way here. As it stands, your only ways to tutor cost, at minimum, 8 mana, and your only ways to draw cost 7 at minimum, so they're only viable with Jodah out. These other tutors and Rhystic Study would be useful for when Jodah is stuck in the Command Zone because people have figured out that killing Jodah basically stops your deck from doing anything for turns at a time, and you only have a couple cards that are backups for his effect (which, the added acceleration will help with that too).
Anyway, hope this helps.
2 weeks ago
I recently played against RG Devotion which used Primeval Titan as its engine (to find Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and Kessig Wolf Run) and then won by pumping with Kessig Wolf Run. Because of the mana dorks you almost always have a target for Wolf Run.
2 weeks ago
combos well with
Hornet Queen is also a good blocker if you need time :)
1 month ago
Dorotheus, thanks a lot for your comments.
I will love to include Gigantosaurus, but I am not sure how it fits here. I will give it a try anyway.
The reason I like Khalni Hydra is that most of the times I can cast it for very little mana (sometimes for free) and after that generate a ton of mana with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. Usually after that I cast Primal Command and the rest is history.
As for Great Sable Stag, I like the fact that is unblockable when used correctly and comes in play early. I agree that Carnage Tyrant is better in most of the cases, but sometimes I like to play cards that are not what it is expected.
Finally, as for Garruk Wildspeaker, I am not a big fan of planeswakers, but I will definitely add one more.
Will update the deck list shortly after some trial.
Thanks a lot!
1 month ago
Hi! So what you’ve built here looks like a mixture of Mono-Green Devotion and Mono-green stompy. Devotion is a deck that uses a lot of mana acceleration like Arbor Elf, Utopia Sprawl, Birds of Paradise, Garruk Wildspeaker and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx to get tons of mana and play huge green monsters and Primal Commands.
On the other hand, mono-green stompy is an aggressive deck that plays aggressive threats like Dryad Militant, Experiment One, Strangleroot Geist, Avatar of the Resolute, and Steel Leaf Champion as well as pump spells like Vines of Vastwood, Aspect of the Hydra, and Rancor to quickly kill your opponent.
Your deck looks like a mixture of the two deck types, so my suggestion is to pick one and move closer to that. I think the deck will be more consistent and powerful with a more focused plan.