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Arbor Elf Discussion
1 day ago
If you go through the linked article he explains a lot of the wheres and whys, first develops it into elf deck, then a better deck with more money, then finally "take out the worst 15 elves and put these in" which is the land stuff.
Elves kept: Caller of the Claw; Elvish Archdruid; Elvish Harbinger; Essence Warden; Fierce Empath; Immaculate Magistrate; Imperious Perfect; Joraga Warcaller; Lys Alana Huntmaster; Oracle of Mul Daya; Wellwisher; Wren's Run Packmaster; Yeva, Nature's Herald.
Elves lost: Arbor Elf; Birchlore Rangers; Elvish Mystic; Elvish Visionary; Ezuri, Renegade Leader; Farhaven Elf; Heritage Druid; Joraga Treespeaker; Llanowar Elves; Priest of Titania; Reclamation Sage; Timberwatch Elf; Titania's Chosen; Wirewood Channeler; Wood Elves.
Collective Unconscious got kicked for Shamanic Revelation, and Swiftfoot Boots for Lightning Greaves, just personal preference. The fella was cost conscious so I added to the manabase (Gaea's Cradle, Wooded Foothills, Windswept Heath, Verdant Catacombs and Misty Rainforest (basically the Forest Fetchlands and Cradle).
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4 days ago
Been a while since I commented. I'll try to respond primarily to those points that others haven't already addressed.
Thought-Knot Seer is expensive to cast and doesn't really perform a vital function in this deck, given that its abilities don't have a high impact.
Stax is a challenge. This deck does have the means to outpace some stax decks by ramping extremely aggressively, but sacrifice engines in particular are effective at keeping utility creatures from having a great deal of impact. I haven't played in several years (apart from the casual 60-card game here or there), so I'm not really qualified anymore to assess how this deck competes with more modern Tier 1-Tier 2 stax decks.
This deck would rather not play Zendikar Resurgent or Mana Reflection because they need to be hard cast and are more difficult to find. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger would be a stronger choice in that respect (because it's Tooth and Nailable), but even then it hasn't made the cut. I leave that to players' discretion, though. Some people may find that the redundancy is important in their meta.
As a combo deck, this deck can normally outpace most noncombo aggro decks. Certain commander damage decks can pose a threat if unanswered. And don't forget that you can chump block with utility creatures if you have to. Surviving in a difficult position is preferable to being out of the game entirely.
I do feel that way about Consecrated Sphinx from time to time. Unfortunately, having not played in a true competitive multiplayer environment in a long time, I can't say with certainty whether it needs to be replaced. The mana cost is the biggest downside, but it's a powerful backup draw engine that's much less risky than Damia herself.
Stroke of Genius is serviceable, and there are ways to recur cards from the graveyard just as there are ways to get them back from the library. I use Blue Sun's Zenith because mana is not an issue by the combo turn and the win con is safer (from hate effects) in the library than in the yard.
Timetwister is an interesting choice, and certainly something that becomes more potent as this deck becomes faster. I would test it.
Arbor Elf ramps, but Crop Rotation does not. I'm not sure if they're comparable in terms of slot consumption. In some metas, the land tutor may be more important because there may be a greater dependence on cards like Boseiju, Who Shelters All.
I don't recommend playing Demonic Consultation unless you're playing Laboratory Maniac, and I don't really think this deck wants to play either (although it could be built in such a way that they're more viable). Demonic Consultation presents the issue of exiling potentially necessary win conditions in order to find a combo piece, and it's never really completely safe to use. Similarly, Tainted Pact isn't in the deck (and is actually covered in the "Omissions" section). I don't think there are many cases where I'd so desperately need a single card that I could risk potentially exiling every other card for it.
It's true that Crucible of Worlds is a good card, but every card in this deck is a good card. Crucible of Worlds doesn't really provide necessary functionality to this deck, though, so I wouldn't call it one of the best cards and similarly wouldn't be able to justify increasing its redundancy at the expense of some other functionality.
Lots of feedback there. I'll try to respond to as much as I have space for.
Rising Waters is an issue because this deck really wants to maximize its mana availability.
Future Sight was in a much earlier version of the deck, but was cut because the cost outweighed the value. Some people may prefer to run it, but I don't.
Pendrell Mists is a good stax card, but this isn't a stax deck. I'd rather keep my utility creatures at the risk of letting other people keep theirs.
Autumn's Veil has some potential. I've never really experimented with it in the 99, though.
Night's Whisper is not as preferable as a draw engine, in my opinion.
Notion Thief could be good in some cases, and I haven't actually tested it in the deck, but there weren't very many times where I think I would have (and would prefer to spend) the mana on it given its inconsistency from game to game.
Brainstorm was in an earlier version of the deck, and it could still justifiably be run given all of the fetch lands, but I prefer to spend the slot on other cards.
Baleful Strix doesn't really do enough to justify spending the mana.
Trinket Mage is a more expensive and more limited tutor than those already in the deck.
Arcane Denial is in the deck because it's a hard counter for , which I'll gladly take in the final turn.
Three Visits and Nature's Lore are important ramp cards and cannot be cut. Skyshroud Claim could potentially be cut on a cost basis, but it's very powerful and pays for half of its own cost on resolution.
Mindslaver is not something this deck needs. I don't really want to spend to control someone's turn if I could spend much less to get myself closer to actually winning. It's not good without a recursion combo or when facing multiple opponents.
Academy Ruins could be played, but I don't really need to recur any of the artifacts in this deck as much as I need access to on-color mana.
Omniscience is not necessary. My primary win con is an spell, which doesn't benefit at all from Omniscience and does benefit from an infinite mana combo (the latter of which enables just as many other cards as the former).
4 days ago
4 days ago
Mana-dorks such as Elvish Mystic or Llanowar Elves are definitely helpful here. Arbor Elf could be even better if you have enchant-land types of ramp. I would also get rid of the Ulvenwald Observer as it does not have great impact.
So, -2 Battlewand Oak, -2 Orchard Warden, -1 Ulvenwald Observer, -2 Fruit of the First Tree, -2 Reach of Branches and optional -2 Rootgrapple. +4 mana-dorks, and the other 5-7 cards can be any number of creatures such as Leaf-Crowned Elder/Timber Protector, or removals such as Beast Withins and Dismembers?
That's my personal opinion. I don't think Reach of Branches is good enough - it basically just produces a blocker, I have a feeling Rootgrapple is a better card since it's removal; but then again, Beast Within is a better Rootgrapple. If you are only playing 2 Leaf-Crowned Elder, the fact that these spells are Tribal Treefolk actually does not matter as much.
Again, I'm not sure if you want this to be actually competitive or you are just doing a theme deck. Treefolk might actually be a good midrange strategy in Modern now because the creatures are really hard to kill. If you can survive the first 3-4 turns you actually have a great shot.
1 week ago
Hi, Nature comes with Skullclamp add that back in place of Implement of Ferocity. Clamp can be busted with the tokens Freyalise's can continually create. Drawing two cards from one mana. Clamp is just a really good artifact with Elves in general. Nature also comes with Swiftfoot Boots add it back in place of something. Even though you can't use it to protect your Commander, she isn't a creature, you can use it to protect (hexproof) another Elf as well as give an Elf haste which is good with many Elves.
Some other budget cards including other Elves that I've found to be good with the Elves are:
- Fyndhorn Elves
- Arbor Elf
- Wirewood Symbiote
- Dwynen's Elite
- Temur Sabertooth
- Wild Pair
- Lifecrafter's Bestiary
- Shamanic Revelation
- Primal Command
- Sylvan Messenger
- Lead the Stampede
- Sword of the Paruns
These can have much more impact and replace cards of the same casting cost here. Cards like Primal Command, Lead the Stampede and Sylvan Messenger are important because of the budget. There's going to be a lack of good creature tutor cards because most are not budget options, they're price is too expensive. These cards can help to find a potential lot of Elves or creatures and put them into your hand.
More draw spells are another way to overcome the lack of creature tutors. Shamanic Revelation is another as well as better Collective Unconscious and Harmonize is just a good draw spell for budget green.
Sword of the Paruns is the budget infinite mana combo artifact for Elves. It in combination with Elvish Archdruid or Priest of Titania and other Elves in your control can be used to make infinite green mana which can then be used to play a lot of spells or activate Ezuri, Renegade Leader's overrun ability a lot of times.
I also recommend that you add 4-5x more Forests to the manabase, giving you 34-35x lands. The avg. CMC (converted mana cost) is 3.6 this is high for only using 30x lands.
Good luck with your deck.
1 week ago
I'm not very familiar with The Gitrog Frog's strategy, however I know netting the most card and board advantage is crucial part of winning. Looking at the best primer I can find for the general, there are many improvements you can make with this deck. Putrid Imp goes best with Dakmor Salvage while Gitrog is on the field for an infinite mill and library reshuffling. If you have Dark Ritual, you can float infinite black mana and channel that into a win condition.
Moving on, I believe your curve could be fixed and your CMC avg. could be lower. There are cards I'd add in place of the ones you currently have. For instance: Dark Confidant, Sylvan Library, a lot of mana dorks like Fyndhorn Elves, Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves, Birds of Paradise, Deathrite Shaman, Arbor Elf, and Elves of Deep Shadow. Ramping into Gitrog is good. Sylvan Scrying gets you Salvage. Play more tutors to increase the consistency of your deck. There's a lot more I could recommend than what I can type, so I'll leave a link to the Gitrog primer.