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Force of Negation
If it's not your turn, you may exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target noncreature spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
Force of Negation Discussion
2 days ago
Out: 1 Negate , 1 Wooded Foothills , 1 Logic Knot , 1 Force of Negation (went in sideboard), 1 Serum Visions In: 1 Crackling Drake , 1 Fiery Islet , 1 Narset, Parter of Veils , 1 Fact or Fiction , 1 Mana Leak
Some big moves happened after playing a couple weekend test games. I felt like i wanted a main board finisher that would have to be answered or just end the game right there ( Crackling Drake ) and I wanted more versatile counter magic ( ie. Mana Leak ). As for the addition of Fact or fiction I wanted to test out some new tech although 4 mana is a lot, so that's my flex spot right now. Three for Narset feels pretty good. she gets a lot of value down the turn she is played and allows me to replace her quickly as well as dump some targets for snap caster mage into the bin. The land was an easy choice as although the fetches help thin my deck if I start to flood fiery islet allows me to pitch it for one and draw a cord at instant speed.
As a general note I've been loving the feel of the deck overall. It feels fast and very reactive. yet can go up against death shadows midrange and blue white control really well in grindy games( though it doesnt quite get there but I blame that more on myself as a new control/ tempo player than I do on the deck.
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ToolmasterOfBrainerd or.......... you build a jeskai twin deck that both plays Teferi, Time Raveler and Splinter Twin combo in the same deck shell. That has the same or similar amount of tools (it also would be playing Force of Negation probably) as U/W control with the big differences of having a combo pieces build in and mana bases.
It would be the same problem as before where a deck that could play twin WOULD play twin because of the rewards and tools given outweighs the deck building restrictions put upon it. Teferi, Hero of Dominaria is a great card but if given the option of building around him or Splinter Twin 9/10 times you're picking twin because of the combo aspect alone.
I understand your reasoning behind it and I somewhat agree but I've seen this song and dance too many times before and the general meta, to me, hasn't changed enough that could change the basis of the general public not saying "just play twin". Phoenix decks are a pain but I just believe that twin is a whole different animal that morphs the entire format as a whole. Albeit it's not super degenerate to play against like Birthing Pod or Eye of Ugin it's still has a unhealthy effect on the format.
1 week ago
This is awesome! I love this combo finish and grindy potential. This feels like the fun of a commander deck with the fine-tuning necessary for modern.
It's unfortunate that it gets accidentally hosed by all of the graveyard hate running around for Hogaak and Phoenix decks though. At least you have a non-graveyard backup plan with Renegade Rallier.
I think the SB is probably what you need to fine-tune next. I don't feel like Giver of Runes does anything important since you're fighting targeted discard, Surgical Extraction , and Leyline of the Void post-SB. Plus you already have Altar as a failsafe against targeted exile effects.
I haven't checked out the stats on this but I feel that 2 is a bad number of Force of Negation since it's so reactive. I think going up on Force of Vigor might be necessary, too. 3 CMC is totally hard-castable with the ramp from Rallier and in a pinch you can go down on cards to get rid of an early Leyline. I would probably go to 3-4 Vigor and take out Negation.
What's Pithing Needle in for? Just curious, I'm not sure what you bring it in against.
1 week ago
1 week ago
Poly_raptor Thanks for the suggestions! And, the only reason I'm not running the Force of Negation is because I don't have it haha, looking to acquire it right now, as for Prismatic Vista I didn't know the card, I didn't follow much Modern Horizons, wow, it could be a nice add in here, so, thanks mate!
1 week ago
At first I was very skeptical about Labman Jace , regardless of everything the three blue is a steep cost to pay, but in the past couple weeks I have been proven very wrong thankfully. On the combo turn (4) all it takes is a couple prism and a land drop to reliably play him meaning the cost is already redundant, especially considering he draws as his plus. His resiliency is also a real upside as coming in at 5 insulates him from a lot, and if our opponent is dedicating 5 damage to Jace instead of us we are already winning considering we drew a card. The biggest plus from Jace though is that he has utility outside the combo, Labman really didn't unless you were using him as a blocker (which is already a pretty bad spot usually). New Jace is a card to be excited about in your hand as he isn't dead, in fact I have won multiple games now drawing a card with Jace into the combo. His one problem for me is that he is susceptible to Dovin's Veto like the rest of the deck, something that has come up a couple times, and is awful against Dredge and Hogaak if you play him out. All in all though, as much as it saddens me to see it go, at this moment I don't see a solid reason to play Laboratory Maniac over Jace, he just has more use, and represents the most meaningful upgrade the deck has received in a long time.
As for new cards, I have been left underwhelmed unfortunately, in fact, like most I suspect, WAR is having a bigger effect on my decisions than Horizons. Flusterstorm is a nice option to have and be aware of, but its hardly something to get excited over in a format like modern. Force of Negation is in the same boat, it's okay, but hard for us to reliably cast with the pitch, maybe a Peer Through Depths list could make better use of it.
From Core 2020, the Leyline of Sanctity reprint is a nice thing to have as it makes the deck more accessible but as for individual cards, there really isn't anything that has popped out at me, at least yet, with every set it takes a while to go through it all and see if there is anything that may be worth trying. Drawn from Dreams right now is the only card that intrigues me from Core 2020, but I really wish it was an instant, sorcery speed is a big knock against it. I'll probably still try it in the Mystical Teachings slot at an FNM or something to be thorough but I am not optimistic. Maybe with baby Teferi it could be okay, but I haven't been blown away by him in testing either. Maybe I'm missing something though, so please if you have any thoughts I'd love to hear them, but as of right now I don't think there is anything that slots into our deck from the new sets, from Horizons we got a couple nice sideboard options, but Core looks like it isn't adding anything here after my first pass of the set for new options.
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