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When Generous Patron enters the battlefield, support 2. (Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two other target creatures.)
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, draw a card.
Generous Patron Discussion
6 days ago
- Few of my tutors can grab it (only Demonic/Vampiric/Intent)
- It's completely dead without Blood Artist (or a similar effect)
- It's very, very hard to recur if disrupted, and easy to interfere with
- And occasionally it kills me, by accidentally wiping my own board XD
I'm just never happy to see it. There's better 3-card combos in the deck, I never tutored for this one, and I'd rather open up the slot to put more disruption and interaction in.
On the topic of Archfiend of Ifnir , while the interaction with Yawgmoth's discard is very, very cute... he's kinda a dead card under a lot of circumstances. His combo with Generous Patron is replaced by Yawgmoth's combo with Hapatra (which is generally all-around better), making his primary purpose in the deck obsolete.
I do like that reanimation wincon line, but Phyrexian Delver isn't overly helpful outside of that combo, and it's a LOT of pieces (2 slots for currently-excluded cards, plus requiring Buried Alive , a reanimation spell, AND Yawgmoth in hand. I have much more efficient lines of play, and remember that it's much easier to tutor creature spells. I might run that combo in my Yawgmoth deck, though!
3 weeks ago
Hi there! I love Ghave, he was among my first Commanders back when I started playing this format in 2013, and is still one of my favorites to this day.
Here's my list, for reference: Ghave: Baby Makin' and Alimony
I have some recommendations that may help speed you along.
First things first: Ghave wants mana and +1/+1 counters. He turns +1/+1 counters into creature tokens- so you want to capitalize on that, and in order to do so, you need mana. Things that can help you make substantially more mana are:
You want to put +1/+1 counters on your stuff because Ghave can turn all that into more creatures. So cards like Ivy Lane Denizen , Cathars' Crusade , Champion of Lambholt , Bloodspore Thrinax , Undying creatures, etc., can let you put more counters on things. In the case of Ivy Lane, for example, you can play, say, Growing Rites of Itlimoc, make 2 tokens (because Ivy Lane will put a counter on the creature that just came in, so you can keep doing it), and then transform Itlimoc at end of turn, which you can tap for 4 mana to make 4 more tokens. Then the next turn, even without playing a land, you can make 18 more tokens (by tapping your 5 lands, then tapping Itlimoc, which will now give 13 mana), and so on, so forth. Having high mana production and multiple cards that can let you get to +1/+1 counters is ideal.
To put this into perspective, Ghave is likely your fastest engine at generating tokens. 1 mana = 1 token is better than Selesnya Guildmage, and all of the counter cards mentioned above are more efficient than Chorus of the Conclave. Ghave + a source of counters is also just better at making tokens than Acorn Catapult, and is generally easier to use than Cobra Trap (though if you get to cast the latter for its trap cost, only then is it more efficient). Penumbra Spider is mediocre for this reason, as well, as is Symbiotic Wurm (since if you have Ghave and Cathars' Crusade, you can pay 8 mana to get 8 8/8s by responding to Crusade's triggered ability). Celestial Force just isn't a very good card, and I would recommend removing it for something that does more for you- even Essence Warden or Soul Warden would gain you substantially more life since you're a token deck. Bestial Menace is also less efficient than just focusing on things like Cathars' Crusade.
I would cut all of those to add in the counters sources mentioned above.
Also, you may find Ravenous Chupacabra more efficient than Dark Hatchling. You can hit black creatures at 2 less mana- that seems more valuable to me.
Other cards you may find helpful:
Generous Patron - put counters on opponent's creatures that aren't doing anything, and you get more cards. Cards are the most important resource in Magic, so this is a worthwhile thing to do.
Beast Within is pretty much better than Afterlife. A 3/3 token without evasion is better to give opponents than a 1/1 that flies, and Beast Within can hit lands, enchantments, even planeswalkers.
Devoted Druid is a fun little creature. If you have it, Cathars' Crusade, and Ghave, you can make infinite saproling tokens.
3 weeks ago
between their numerous cantrip creatures ( Wall of Roots , Elvish Visionary , Fblthp, the Lost , and the Divination in Generous Patron , etc.) as well as their many tutor creatures, and tutors for creatures, I have many times seen Animar win from top-deck mode, and currency, only Beast Whisperer , glimpse, and the Recruiter/Spellseeker you talked about does the Harvest Animar run. OG Kozilek is rare now, and Soul, Sage, and Tishana don't see any cEDH play in Animar any more.
1 month ago
CyborgAeon: Yeah, Shaper is ridiculously good and has stumped me on multiple occasions. But yeah, I've crammed a lot of time into this deck to a point where you'd think it's solved, but it never is.
There's more to it than just that. I lack actual ways to buff Viridian Joiner . Generous Patron , Great Oak Guardian , and Umbral Mantle are the only ways to manipulate its power. Marwyn, the Nurturer benefits from those and off of every elf I play. Electrickery seems like a nuisance though, so I can understand why you'd be compelled to run it, but the one extra toughness for a narrower dork is detrimental to the strategy as a whole. My bigger problem is really Fire Covenant , which doesn't really care about toughness, but at least I can respond to it with an elf.
I can see how an ill-timed Fierce Empath could you put you off of the card, but I can assure you its downsides are greatly outweighed by its upsides. This isn't to say Vivien's Arkbow won't make it into the deck, I just haven't been able to narrow down what to actually take out for it, Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip flew on my radar because it's a 3 drop that doesn't do much early game and gives away information, but trust me, parting with this card would be a huge burden on my soul. I am currently working on the bow being a part of the deck, it just won't be replacing Fierce Empath .
Soren841: Don't be offended, bro. I wouldn't have anyone to constantly talk about this if it wasn't for you lol. You're the best and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. :D
1 month ago
2 months ago
Some cards like Natural Order help you to fetch craterhoof and win the game. Natural order wins a lot of games in my Hapatra deck. Feel free to check the list if you need more suggestions.
2 months ago
Daedalus19876: Sick list dude! +1 from me!
My only suggestion for the slot you need is Archfiend of Ifnir . You only have Mox Diamond and Survival of the Fittest to proc its effect. I know about the Generous Patron combo, but you need both of them out and Survival/Full hand for it to work.
Unless I missed other discard outlets, I really don't see this working as effectively. Hope this helps ! :D
Generous Patron occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%