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Seething Song Discussion
3 days ago
You can run cards like Fuel for the Cause for proliferating, and if that is too much mana you can run Braid of Fire, Seething Song, or Simian Spirit Guide. And for the mana flexibility, you could use Crumbling Necropolis, Evolving Wilds, Crumbling Vestige, or Holdout Settlement.
4 days ago
I have some zombies with Unearth from another deck but I don't want to look for creatures for this one, since they mostly costs to cast or Unearth (Unearth doesn't trigger Burning Vengeance by the way).
For non-creature spells, I've tried Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded, 2x Dismember, 1x Traumatize, 2x Boomerangs, 4x Jace's Erasure (terrible idea), 2x Seething Songs... That's all, as far as I can remember!
5 days ago
Thrilled to hear that you enjoyed the explanation!
In regards to your comments on rituals, it was my own choice not to play them in here. I was testing my list a bit against some of my other decks, piloting both and making the most optimum plays for each. The likes of Seething Song, Desperate Ritual, etc. really pushed things over the top and allowed for very consistent Storm plays on turns 4-6, which, in my admittedly subjective view, was about 1.5 to 2 turns too fast for a "75%" list to be going off. In my view, a 75% tuned Storm deck should be able to go off on Turn 5 off of its very best draw, but more typically go off Turns 7-9. I know that's a pretty subjective metric but it was my best estimate based on my own play experiences in my group's "75%" meta. I found in my testing that the rituals allowed me to push through interaction and provide enough mana to hit the few tutorable, big spells (such as the overloaded Mizzix's Mastery) with far more speed and consistency. So in answer to your question, I'd say yes, rituals certainly make the list stronger, to the extent that I preemptively chose not to include them during deck construction in order to keep with the "fair"/"75%" approach. In their place, I decided to play a few extra cantrips, some "spells matter" creatures (I believe I slotted in Thing in the Ice Flip and Spellseeker, actually), and an extra counterspell (I think I chose Daze). Essentially, I slotted the rituals out in favor of some more interactable cards that were still strong, but a bit slower. The upside is that while they are slower than the rituals, they do act to stabilize the deck a bit and reduce variance. So, they're not strictly speaking worse. But they certainly are worse choices than the rituals, coming from a strict "building the best UR Storm deck" standpoint.
With regard to Mind's Desire, I really love the card and I wrestled with including it for quite some time. However, it's not quite as essential in this particular build, as it tends to shine best when you have "big mana" spells that it can find, instead of a bunch of cantrips (chaining a bunch of these can still be very powerful, though). It's also at its best when played very early, and this necessitates the use of rituals and cEDH mana rocks like Mana Crypt, etc., which I want to stay away from. Overall, in this particular deck, while it's still a very good card, it's not quite the sort of payoff card that I saw as best in a cantrip-centric deck. I chose to run the Aetherflux Reservoir type cards as payoffs instead. But the jury's far from out on Mind's Desire. It can still lead to some insane Storm plays in this list and I'm still wrestling with it. What are your thoughts on this card?
1 week ago
I'm just about to buy this deck, not changing much. I'll replace Geosurge with Seething Song and since Lightning Bolt , Lightning Helix and Boros Charm are out of my budget, I replaced them with 2 Pyroclasm (to wipe the field if the opponent has an aggro deck, 2 Incinerate and 2 Make a Stand (I'm not too sure about this one actually. Was looking for a good alternative for Boros Charm ). I also added 2 Chained to the Rocks for protection against other big things and 1 Hundred-Handed One because I like the idea of his combo with Palisade Giant and Favor of the Mighty . Can't wait to try it out!
2 weeks ago
Some thoughts: Goblin Trashmaster could be really solid in commander to take care of pesky artifacts. Goblin Matron is a good goblin tutor card that even keeps with the deck theme by putting out a 1/1 goblin creature. Goblin Recruiter is a bit more expensive money-wise, but the effect is so much stronger (and it really could/should count as card draw b/c of how many cards you could pull). For that reason Reliquary Tower would be a good pick-up, and is significantly cheaper since its reprinting. Goblin War Strike is another potential win condition. Throne of the God-Pharaoh coupled with Furystoke Giant or Kyren Negotiations would be brutal. Goblin Ringleader could help with card draw, so could Vanquisher's Banner. I like Brightstone Ritual better than Seething Song, it's simply better in 80%+ situations. I like Gempalm Incinerator a lot. I know it isn't a goblin, but I think Hellrider could be huge for you. kindred charge would double your goblins, great synergy with Impact Tremors, Purphoros, God of the Forge, and your sac engine (Boggart Shenanigans and Goblin Bombardment).
2 weeks ago
Some of my choices maybe are better in my meta or in Zirilan of the Claw.
Clarifying some of my suggestions:
Warp World is usually very good against some decks, because it doesnt put planeswalker into play nor allow instant and sorcery spells to be cast. Sometimes I am able to put like 3 dragons replacing lands. It even counts the tokens you create with Lathliss. Only time it would not be good is against Monogreen decks with huge creatures. And it is a very fun card.
Geosurge, Mana Geyser and Seething Song - In my deck I use both Mana geyser and Seething song because I need the mana for activating Zirilan ability. Since You have more creatures than I do, I thought playing the three cards would be good.
Regarding planeswalker, I dont like Chandra, Pyromaster, Sarkhan, Fireblood and Chandra, Torch of Defiance in EDH. They are vulnerable and end up doesnt doing much. My argument about Chandra, Flamecaller is because it impacts the table in the turn she comes to play. And I end up treating her more of a modal sorcery than a Planeswalker. And in my deck Chandra's Ignition didnt work out.
Regarding Dragonspeaker Shaman and similar creatures, I dont like using them because they die to board wipe and are only better than Mana Rocks if you put more than one dragon into play per turn. I would prioritize using artifacts with similar effects like Urza's Incubator, Hazoret's Monument and Herald's Horn. Or even other mana rocks.
Sword of Light and Shadow = In my playstyle I dont care if something dies, because almost all of the dragons are a Threat, so I just wait to draw the next one. And I use card draws in its places, like Tormenting Voice, Wild Guess, Faithless Looting and the all-star for me Cathartic Reunion.
Some suggestions of dragons you didnt include but I imagine would be good in Lathliss. Glorybringer - This is an all-star, removal and haste in one package. Thundermaw Hellkite - This is a finisher in some matches. Verix Bladewing escalates acording to your mana. The new Demanding Dragon, Thunder Dragon and Tyrant's Familiar can be good too.
Sorry for the big wall of text, and I hope it helps. Monored dragons FTW!!!
2 weeks ago
First of, thanks a lot for your ideas! I probably will upgrade my dragon base as i am not really on a budget anymore. I am not home, so as soon as i get there i will look at my dragons and put that Hellkite Tyrant right in. I might add that dethrone and board nuke one as well.
Now as for other cards: Warp World is a lot of mana and by the time i get there, a lot of people will probably have way more permanents than me and thats not really what u want when u play that card. Also i don't even run that many dragons because i need mana rocks etc to make the deck consistent.
Mana Geyser i am actually thinking about that one. Its a lot of mana amd thats always nice. Biggest drawback is that its a sorcery speed. But i might slap it in instead of Seething Song. Whatever gets my Dragonstorm going haha.
Geosurge seems like a worse seeting song. U get 3 extra mana i stead of 2,bht with a big restriction.
Sneak Attack superb card. But since my commander works in kinda other way i go for lower COCs if possible, so i wont usually have 3 big dragons to cheat in. Also i have no recursion basically, so it seems like a way better 1v1 card instead of a 4 player game this deck is built for.
Hellkite Tyrant yea he's goin in
Chandra, Flamecaller idk i run a respectable ampunt of boardwipes and hate. Cards like Chandra's Ignition seem better. My other chandra is there because draw (might switch her for Chandra, Torch of Defiance for versatility) and Koth... Well he is a mono red staple
Now I'll try to explain the cards you didnt like,because i feel like they deserve the spot there.
Sword of the Animist because mono red has terrible mana base and this is an almost guaranteed extra land per turn from turn 4-5 on because i always have at least that 1 creature and especially early on i try to not overexpand so i dont get focused. This card is ideal for just that. I can put it on anything and i just ramp until i can do enough stuff to make a difference. Honestly dragons seem scary for some reason so i just try to control early on as much as i can and than somehow play like 3 dragons in 1 turn which is usually enough with Lathliss to kill at least the most troublesome opponent. But yea Sword of the Animist has proven its worth over and over again.
Sword of Light and Shadow besides that land that's a little gimmicky, this is the only recursion i have in my color. Now i know its kind of weird to give swords to dragons, but a little buff and protection from colors with the most amount of single target removal spells/abilities doesn't seem that bad. Also i would usually put it on some other dragon than Lathliss so if my opponent only has one removal spell to use i still get some value. A lot of decks can't really deal with this card and if this is the omly thing on my board after a boardwipe in midgame and i draw something like Dragonspeaker Shaman and have otherwise an empty hand... Well now i probably won't have that problem.
Thanks again for the suggestions and i hope i don't seem stubborn as far as my choices go. I just had a better experience with these cards :)