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Chaos Warp Discussion
1 day ago
isaelis I like the suggestions, thanks!
I have a Commander theory question for you about your suggestions, is targeted land destruction worth it in multiplayer decks? If I only brought this deck only out for 1V1's I think the 4 mana land destruction could work. But in Multiplayer games if i destroy one person's land and let the other's go crazy i think i'd lose. The land destruction I really like is mass land D, or wildfire type cards i can build around. If I could fit Price of Glory in the deck, budget wise, I'd do it in a heart beat! That thing is great! I could do it if i wanted to cut Chaos Warp and Tyrant's Familiar, though i think removal is a friend of mine and the land D is a subtheme at best.
Well I've rambled for a good bit here, but the Tl;DR is I don't think I'll be running any of the cards suggested at the moment. Though I'm up for a debate about the merits of your suggestions.
4 days ago
Yeah, I do really like Spelltwine half the reason why I took it out, was because I don't know if I really want to look through everyone's 30-40 card graveyards for that perfect spell, lol.
I agree Command Beacon is legit. Adding immediately.
Phyrexian Tyranny actually scares me a lot. Especially since I hope to have a no hand limit in play and there are more ways for me to draw than my opponents in this deck.
I do want both of the Talismans but I am straining to find enough cuts to add them back, and I already have the 3 signets to do very similar work.
Pact of Negation is out of my comfort zone as far as cost at the moment, but certainly worth thinking about.
I see your point about Minds Aglow. My original thought was that I could dump mana into it to finish the game. But you are right I don't really have many ways to support an X cost spell except in the case of the Waste Not + wheel.
Ghastly Conscription was also in there to deny a graveyard centric deck, as well as to get some potentially juicy creatures out there. Day's Undoing is only one spell and as long as there is like one or two wheels in between I think it would still have pretty good value. I honestly think that situation would be pretty rare where there isn't anything good left in anyone's graveyard.
I agree Runehorn Hellkite is very expensive for a wheel. However, being able to wheel from the graveyard is exactly why it's there. The way this deck goes dumping over half my library into my graveyard every game, I think it's actually very likely to be there as an ace-in-the-hole backup wheel when I need it.
Totally didn't realize Helm of Awakening was all players. Cutting it now.
Sudden Spoiling does so much more than Fog. It removes all creatures abilities without letting them respond. I'm thinking of all of the situations where someone is about to fire off a massive combo that relies on a triggered ability, or the repeated use of an activated ability. However, I am still going to cut it because it very likely won't be in my hand at the right time. Seeing as how my hand will cycle pretty much every time I have a wheel and at least one draw/discard trigger in play. I can't really afford to be much of a reliable responder with this deck.
My thought process on Nighthowler was to use him to survive the inevitable board wipe and still have high value on the board. But, I think you are right, it doesn't really fit as well as I would want it to, and I don't really have a way to make it connect.
4 days ago
Spelltwine fits a bit of the recursion theme - recasting one of your wheels, while giving you the added bonus of getting a spell from an opponent's graveyard since they'll be full to the brim.
Command Beacon is a land that can help mitigate the increasing taxation on your commander.
Pact of Negation - nothing helps resolve a commander like a free counterspell. Albeit not a budget card.
Some more lands - 34 is way too little unless you want to waste your wheels to draw your 4th/5th land.
Minds Aglow is basically an over-priced wheel. No one is going to willingly pay mana into it, meaning you're stuck with footing the bill. Could be really great after a Waste Not + wheel leaving you with 10 mana, but more often than not, this will be "Pay 7 mana to have everyone draw 6". It is good in a team format though.
Runehorn Hellkite is a 7 mana wheel that has to be in your graveyard in order to work.
Helm of Awakening is pretty high-risk as it discounts your opponents' plays. This can backfire pretty badly unless you plan on winning immediately.
Nighthowler doesn't fit the deck very well. Their graveyards may be big (or not after Day's Undoing) but the deck doesn't support attacking or removing blockers meaning they'll always be able to block.
4 days ago
I really like Chaos Warp in mono-red because of that very reason, but like you said, I don't know if I could find a good enough spot for it.
I'll definitely keep that in mind if a spot even remotely becomes vacant, because being able to tell an enchantment "no" in mono-red is fantastic! Haha.
Thanks for the comment, Hybrow!
4 days ago
Normally I would suggest Norin the Wary for a Purphoros Deck, but because you are so goblin focused, it might be a tough fit (especially if you are playing 1v1 instead of multiplayer).
So instead I will suggest Chaos Warp. This deck seems pretty fast, so may not need it either, but I find it handy to deal with pesky enchantments
4 days ago
Hybrow cool, thanks for the suggestions! I actually took Chaos Warp out because I felt like I had enough removal, but I totally forgot about enchantments! So, that's going back in asap. As for Descent of the Dragons and Hellion Eruption, they're actually side boarded currently. The reason being I didn't want the deck to be too all over the place, and they actual kill a lot of the tribal aspects of this deck. However, I'm not against returning them if I feel like it needs more win con stuff.
I will add the side board this weekend on here. I just need to trim it down from the like 80 cards that it currently is lol!
4 days ago
I love mono-red, Have a couple suggestions
Less important - Descent of the Dragons - Nothing better than changing all your goblin tokens into Dragons. Hellion Eruption also works but then you lose your named guys as well. Note that dragons will enter with summoning sickness, so will need some way to combat that, like Reckless Bushwhacker's surge or In the Web of War
Panas on Chemo Ramp
4 days ago
Alright! I gave the deck a quick look and it looks relatively good overall. I understand you are not in a very competitive meta (or at least, not a very cutthroat one at that) and that budget is a concern albeit not a very crazy one.
I see enough card draw and cards that replace themselves. I also liked that you built the deck accordingly, avoiding enchantment and artifact inclusions to fit the theme of blowing all of them up.
With that said we reach the greatest flaw in the deck. Without any strong, early ramp and so many high costed cards doing what you want, your deck is left slow and clunky and will often durdle and fold to early advantage gained by other people through the same things you hate. Breaking a Sylvan Library on turn 5 means that opponent already has gained all the value in the world out of it and probably doesn't care too much that it's being destroyed.
A second point I want to make is that although you do have a lot of big mana plays, a LOT of them are inefficient considering the resource investment into them (mana cost Vs effect + P/T). Here's a list of which ones I didn't like too much and the reasoning behind it:
- Avatar of Might is a vanilla trampler in your deck. Unless you are facing against a fast aggro deck or token generator, you are the one playing the creature deck so I wouldn't expect to cast it on the cheap side often.
- Deus of Calamity is an awesome card but it needs the proper enablers (double strike/constant buffs) for it to work as intended and even then it's a "win more" card. In effect it does a hell of a lot under certain conditions, but those are hard to come by and when you are behind you'd prefer playing something else.
- Domesticated Hydra a very high investment just to get a trampler. Evasion is good but when you compare these kind of cards with enablers like Thunderfoot Baloth and Siege Behemoth they are very lackluster.
- Havenwood Wurm: 7 mana for a 5/6 trampler? You can do a lot better than this. The instant speed doesn't warrant this investment as it is essentially asking you to skip your turn to play this.
- Stonebrow, Krosan Hero would be a lot better in a shell where mass trample and Overrun effects ran rampant. This is not the case so quite often he will be giving you an extra 2-4 damage on swing. He's not that bad though.
- Blunt the Assault is a heavy costed fog effect. If life gaining is that important, running Shamanic Revelation is better. If the fog is really needed then just run Fog or Lull or Respite or Winds of Qal Sisma.
- Devil's Play is a very flavourful card and I do like it, but I think it's a bit small for commander. Fall of the Titans or even better Comet Storm do a much better job at finishing people.
- Scrabbling Claws is not good enough for graveyard hate. There exist much better alternatives (i.e. Relic of Progenitus)!
And here are my suggestions for you, including some notable omissions. Some have already been mentioned by others.
- Acidic Slime
- Mold Shambler
- Reclamation Sage!
- Sakura-Tribe Elder!
- Wood Elves!
- Farhaven Elf!
- Woodfall Primus!
- Chaos Warp!
- Krosan Grip!
- Ancient Grudge
- Comet Storm
- Hull Breach
- Skyshroud Claim!
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Beast Within!
- Xenagos, God of Revels
I would choose a number of these as replacements prefering their versatility, efficiency and power.
Those are my thoughts. :)
ps: since tappedout doesn't let me mark my most suggestions through the checkboxes for some reason, i'll put an exclamation mark next to them...