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Artifact Creature — Insect
Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)
When Necropede is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
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1 week ago
So, the first thing to do is make sure there are enough lands in the deck. A four color deck with multiple mana sinks is going to need 38 lands. If the mana curve is lowered by these edits, then a case could be made for 37, but for now it’s best to aim for 38.
This means 7 cards have to be cut. These cards should not come from necessary categories, since some of those actually need more.
Viridian Betrayers is way too easy to kill and block in the late game, and will often not have infect during the early game, which is really the only time it can do good work.
Flensermite is too little impact for the cost. The Lifelink isn’t worth it and there are plenty of other cheap infect creatures.
Followed Footsteps is something I always want to work, but it hardly ever does because it is so easy to deal with. It can be dealt with using anything that can destroy enchantments OR creatures, or even something that flickers or returns a creature to your hand. On top of that, you don’t even get your first token until your next turn. You should check out Helm of the Host if you really like that effect.
Necropede doesn’t have a good enough pay off, and you have other better two drops with infect. This also doesn’t have evasion. Early game you might not play it right away to ramp instead, and then it gets blocked easily by turn 3 and beyond. The extra -1/-1 counter isn’t necessary when every infect creature can give them just the same.
Spinebiter costs way too much for what it does. It may be able to get through and get someone by surprise, but probably only once. It takes too much set up, and there are only a few ways in the deck to make sure it raises it’s power or can attack right away. This may be something to revisit later if you find ways to use it more effectively, but so many of the other infect creatures are more efficient or way more powerful.
Core Prowler is too expensive for what it does and there are way better ways to proliferate reliably in the deck.
These 7 cuts will bring you to 38 land slots.
3 weeks ago
OK, consider the following changes. Obviously you'll need to consider the budget you want to keep with this deck. I'm looking at options to bring up the kill speed for this deck.
If you really want to hit hard and hit fast, then you need not worry about you own life total early in the game.
I know what you're going for in this deck and I think you should look at this dekc from a different perspective.
I'm not talking about play styles. I'm working with your aggressive beatdown style.
I'm talking about shifting strategies in mid-game.
In the early game you go all-out and hit as hard and fast as possible. Get the kill by turn 4 or 5.
Once you've taken out the primary threat, you shift strategies. Change your approach and work on recovery and defense, shift to a midrange gameplay.
Ditch that crappy Putrefax. The "sacrifice at the end step" is too much of a hinderance for 5 mana. It it were cheaper, maybe, but nope it is just crap.
I really like Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite but the mana cost is too high for the early game. Not sure on this one.
I also think you should reconsider keeping the Lost Leonin since he's cheap and hits the field early. He's also a great pump target.
Better infect creatures:
Relic Putrescence - screw your mana rock.
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
Pump for the kill:
Invigorate - Because we don't care what their life total is.
Tainted Strike - Surprise!
Snake Cult Initiation - 3 poison counters at once.
Giant Growth, Mutagenic Growth, Titanic Growth, Might of Old Krosa - The classic pump tactic.
Let's consider toolbox utility cards:
Azorius Guildmage - Because screw your activated ability. Counter a planeswalker ability and watch the looks on their face.
Simic Guildmage - Imagine moving the Rancor or Phyresis after blockers have been declared but before the damage phase.
Prowling Serpopard - Nope, I'm gonna get my creatures.
Melira, Sylvok Outcast - Make the game one-sided.
Lightning Greaves - An additional set of Swiftfoot Boots. Yeah, I know shroud means that you can't pump, but there are ways around that.
Unburial Rites - Here it comes again.
Virulent Wound - Poison and removal.
Pistus Strike - Poison and removal.
There are some -1/-1 counters decks based around Hapatra or Atraxa. Since the infect creatures deal combat damage as whither, we can use that to our advantage.
Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons - Put those -1 counters on opponent's creatures to work making tokens.
Phyrexian Hydra - This gets just stupid with Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons.
Lands you may have missed:
I know we've talked about this in the past, but I think you should really consider getting the shock lands. A quick check of the card prices on TCGPlayer puts the shocks at about @10-15 each. Totally worth it.
Gavony Township - Proliferate!
Vault of the Archangel - Need to stay in the game a bit longer.
Boseiju, Who Shelters All - Screw your counterspell.
3 weeks ago
I'd say try out a -1/-1 counter build then. You want to make sure your CMC isnt too high and with Lili being at 7 already you should get some creatures with lower cmc.
Oh almost forgot Tragic Slip what a hilarious card.
2 months ago
2 months ago
I love the overall idea. Mine is very new and rough around the edges (haven't even picked up a sol ring for it yet) but I tried to put in some options to make the death triggers happen more quickly that you might want to think about. Things like Deathbringer Thoctar and Archetype of Finality. If you are curious about my list this is it. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-scorpion-gods-sting-2/ but I think the archetype would be perfect with Warstorm Surge, Everlasting Torment, and Nest of Scarabs. Sick combo. Also a big fan of Necropede and Core Prowler for creature options and Puncture Blast and Volt Charge for red counters as a whole.
3 months ago
While a mill deck in commander is hard to create, as most of the usable/good mill cards target, it is a lot of fun to play. Discard is a little easier, but not by much. Also, the best colour combination for this type of deck is U/B and Atraxa has two extra colours that don't really help as well as her ability not synergising very well with mill or discard. Anyway, you asked and I shall try to deliver.
First the milling essentials: Glimpse the Unthinkable is the best mill spell bar none and is required. Secondly Increasing Confusion is quite good for commander, as mana totals will get quite large. Thirdly, Mind Funeral is great, as is Mind Grind. Fourthly, Mind Sculpt and Tome Scour mill for 7 and 5 respectfully, which is not too great, so only run them if you feel like that small amount of mill is extremely useful. Fifth, Hedron Crab is a great one drop due to the mill 3 per land you drop. Also, speaking of one drops, Jace's Phantasm is a good creature that soon becomes great with mill and discard. Sixth, Nemesis of Reason is stupidly good as it mills 10 per attack! It doesn't even need to cause damage! Startled Awake Flip is a nice mill spell and recurs too. Another great creature, and my recommended commander, is Szadek, Lord of Secrets. His milling will get massive really fast. All you need to do is get him in unblocked. Use Rogue's Passage or Whispersilk Cloak. Some good beaters are Consuming Aberration and Sewer Nemesis. If you don't care about price, then Jace, the Mind Sculptor is awesome, but if budget is a thing Jace Beleren is a nice cheap replacement. Now onto the milling combos! Traumatize and Fraying Sanity completely destroy an opponent, as does Keening Stone and Fraying Sanity. Archive Trap and Ghost Quarter are great together, as is Maralen of the Mornsong and Archive Trap. Also, Ghost Quarter helps get rid of land for Mind Funeral and Mind Grind. Lastly, Jace's Erasure and any card draw is quite nice. Thats about it for mill, now onto discard!
First off you need Waste Not. It is beautiful. The Rack works when you have made them discard down to 2 or less, which is one of your goals. Quest for the Nihil Stone and Shrieking Affliction are like The Rack - dealing small damage when opponents don't have hands. Liliana's Caress and Megrim do small amounts of damage per discarded card, which is nice. Bottomless Pit helps keep opponents hands empty, as does Necrogen Mists. Oppression is awesome, as is Painful Quandary, and both together is god-tier. Underworld Dreams is nice little 'screw you' after they loose their hands. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur murders everyone but you late game. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is goddamn beautiful and breaks even more when you have Sadistic Hypnotist, Nezumi Bone-Reader and/or Mind Slash out. Another awesome combo is Mindcrank plus Bloodchief Ascension with three counters and any discard to an opponent means you kill them. With Dark Deal or similar you win. While these two things are great and all, you need some utility and a way to keep you alive when you suddenly become the target.
To stay alive, you need some pillowforts like Propaganda and Ghostly Prison. Cards like Frozen AEther and Kismet will help keep the opponent's board from becoming too overwhelming and Standstill will prevent spells for a small while. Psychic Spiral is another great spell that gets back all of your mill spells and it also mills an opponent for a little too. Talrand, Sky Summoner is fun with all the spells you are slinging, and he provides an alternate win condition. Another alternate win is through infection. Cards like Flesh-Eater Imp, Hand of the Praetors, Phyrexian Crusader, Phyrexian Juggernaut, Necropede, Putrefax, Plague Stinger and Corpse Cur all win you the game when they deal 10 damage to an opponent. Also, Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon is a good option but is quite expensive. Cards like Giant Growth make you win harder. Infect is where Atraxa shines due to the added poison counters to each opponent every time you finish your turn. Adding Contagion Engine might even make your opponents scoop.
Good God, that is a big slab of writing. Here is a deck list I made for you: Atraxa makes you loose your mind!. Tell me what you think!
3 months ago
OK, lets ponder those responses a bit:
"The advantages that Mono-green has over the splashes is the fact that I CAN in fact play with the special lands and I don't have to break the bank juggling fetch lands and shock lands and dual lands, etc." - sure, you usually get budget savings by having a non-fetch manabase. However, I am still pretty sure that having 1/3 of your lands produce colorless is a mistake. Additionally, fetches in a low-land count deck have an impact on the chance to draw lands. I do not think you have games where you want a fourth land, so having fetches reduces that chance ever so slightly. Fetches also power up Become Immense, which you are curiously not playing.
"With Noble Hierarch I effectively have 18 green mana sources and I generally do just fine with two or three on the board" - one of green sources can and should be used as a pump spell. The 4 hierarchs are vulnerable to every removal ever printed, so they are not reliable. You have 13.5 green sources and they are not enough. You cannot afford to run that few. Infect is a combo deck - you want to cast 2 spells every turn, starting on turn 2, until the opponent is dead. You cannot do it with so few colored sources.
"reduced dependency on colored mana granted by my weird creatures (which I like a lot, by the way)" - neither of them are very good. Necropede is 1/1 for 2 with infect. It does not have flying like the black one or unblockable as the blue one. Ichorclaw myr is medium at best - its ability achives not much without trample, so it is entirely reliant on Rancor. In mono green, Blight Mamba is probably your best choice, since it can blank any non-path to exile removal. But with your current mana, you cannot support it.
"Exalted has been a real boon for me and Cathedral has often been the difference between 9 and 10 poison counters in games." - pendelhaven does the same and still gives you green. Exalted without trample is probably not very good, so you are making your deck overreliant on Rancor.
"As far as Canopy Cover goes, the most common response I get from opponents when it hits the table is 'what does that card do again? oh s#!t...' as all their targeted removal suddenly goes 'poof' in their hands" - if I was your opponent, I would say "In response..." and 2-for-1 you.
"Ditto the effect that Spider Umbra has had on players who rely on board clearers." - In response.., sac effects, exile effects still work wonders though. At least this one grants some power, but 1 power for 1 mana is not where you want to be.
"I will be the first to admit that this configuration is just a hair slower than some Infect decks - though I still get plenty of turn three wins - but I've found it to be far, far more consistent than any version I've played in the past." - Infect has even t2 kills, but that is outside the realm of the feasible. I have to say - how is it more consistent than UG infect, that has access to serum visions and opt to filter its draws? Or more consistent than GB that can back up its creatures with hand disruption and has more evasive creatures? Sure, with the splash you run higher on getting color screwed, but the benefits outweigh the negatives.
"From my perspective, giving an infect creature both hexproof and evasion IS a buff, often times making up the timing difference by getting around blockers " - ok, so losing a turn to get around potential blockers is not OK. Losing a turn in a deck that cannot afford to be slower than the opponent. Additionally, unless faced with Young Pyromancer, no ground creature can ever be a problem for an infect creature. Usually, an infect creature vs ground creatures is The Abyss. But in mono green, you cannot afford that since you run the risk of running out of steam.
You have no backup plan in infect, which is good. You are a finely sharpened rapier that strikes a single point hard. But is also easily stopped. Taking a turn off to cast Canopy Cover dulls your blade and makes your opponents stronger.
Other decks are also turn 4 decks - bogles, burn; humans and Company decks (to a lesser extent, but the chumpers are endless); BR Hollow one is even t3, UW/Jeskai control can start casting cryptics on turn 4, affinity is t3/t4 deck, colorless tron has balista on turn 2 or a powerful eldrazi on turn 3. Mardu Pyromancer is probably your worst matchup as they can strip your hand and board by turn 3 and/or simply cast Lingering Souls.
All in all, mono green can work as a budget option for infect, but not for a competitive environment. By playing mono-green, you sacrifice your backup plans, your creatures are worse and you lack sideboard options, you are overreliant on Rancor, all things very detrimental in a competitive environment. I am all for innovation, but this is a step back in terms of competitiveness. If you do not plan to play this at tournament - do anything you want at FNM; but I would not play this version in a tournament.
3 months ago
Ok, so infect is a deckbilding mechanic that pratically changes the rules of the game - your opponent starts at 10 life in your way to win is infect. However, there is a severe deckbuilding cost - you are building a dedicated combo deck and have not much leeway to improvise. This means that you get a lot of inconsistency.
Further deckbuilding costs:
Mono green offers 0 advantages over the splashes. Blue offers card filtering, which is sorely needed in a combo deck. Black has more reasonable infect dudes and proactive discard like Thoughtseize.
Additional deckbuilding costs:
Even in mono green, I would not run Cathedral of War. Literally all your spells require a single colored mana and because it does not produce a color, you are running weird creatures like Necropede and Ichorclaw Myr. You cannot run 6-7 colorless producing lands.
Super hidden costs:
Canopy Cover is costing you games. Spending your turn to not provide yourself a boost is slowing your deck down by a turn. For it to be wort it over Vines of Vastwood, you have to blank 2 or more removals and the opponent has irrelevant ground blockers. Outside of tokens, blockers vs infect are horrible, and even then Rancor solves that problem. Even if you do both of those spending 2 mana to not deal additional damage to your opponent is bad. There is no other card in your deck that does that.
TLDR: Infect is hard to build and has a lot of deckbuilding costs.