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Other enchantments you control have shroud.
, Sacrifice Sterling Grove: Search your library for an enchantment card and reveal that card. Shuffle your library, then put the card on top of it.
Sterling Grove Discussion
3 days ago
I’d second the suggestion of Seedborn Muse , I run it in one of my edh decks and it’s an absolute powerhouse.
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Either of these would fit the theme of your deck better and would assist you in casting and running the deck.
Altar of the Brood - Doesn't fit what you're doing and doesn't assist in your goal
Ghostfire Blade - Not good enough. You're running Eldrazi. They're big enough and powerful enough to take care of themselves
Mycosynth Lattice - This doesn't help you. Most of your stuff is colorless so this only helps your opponents cast spells and places a glaring weakness that a card like Vandalblast can easily exploit.
Bonds of Mortality - You're running annihilator and massive creatures. You're rarely worried about the occasional hexproof creature, and you shouldn't have an issue with the occasional enchantment or artifact. Eldrazi overwhelm. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Prismatic Omen - This doesn't help you enough. Most of your stuff is colorless so this doesn't do a crazy amount for you. In addition, you're running Chromatic Lantern which will do this and also produces mana on top of it.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver - Why? This has nothing to do with your deck
Despark - There are better removal options, but as an eldrazi tribal deck you'd be better off playing cards that protect and accelerate you rather than this.
Wear / Tear - While decent, you don't usually need to hit both at once and it's multiple colors. I'd run Naturalize or Krosan Grip instead.
Fathom Feeder - ...No. Just no.
Mist Intruder - While this and Fathom Feeder are both eldrazi, just because you're running a tribal deck doesn't mean you have to run every tribal card, nor only tribal cards. Cut this and see my suggestions for cards to replace it with.
Khenra Charioteer - There are better alternatives
Vile Aggregate - You're running eldrazi. You're going tall rather than wide so you're unlikely to ever really have enough creatures out at once to really make this card worth running.
Bojuka Bog - Not worth it. It comes out tapped and unless someone is both running a graveyard deck and has enough good cards in it at the same time, you're not going to get enough value out of this, or if you want to save it for that, then you have a dead land in hand and there would be far better cards like Rest in Peace and such.
Gateway Plaza - Comes in tapped, costs an additional mana to play, and only gives one mana. Too slow and not good enough.
Ruins of Oran-Rief - You're running Eldrazi. You really don't need one more +1/+1. A colored mana would assist you more here as it would also help you pay for and colored spells you would like to cast.
Akroma's Memorial - This is a fantastic card that in your deck would be a win con. I would recommend running this over Eldrazi Monument as it does a lot more and doesn't force you to sacrifice your important eldrazi.
Privileged Position - An absolutely amazing card that I run in every deck that can run it. Full protection on ALL your permanents.
Sterling Grove - Protection for all your enchantments and allows you to fetch any that you need.
Krosan Grip - Guaranteed removal on artifacts or enchantments.
Ramos, Dragon Engine - You're running a five colored big boy deck. This enables it and since it's colorless it'll be relatively easy for you to cast.
Archetype of Endurance - Fantastic protection and a powerful creature to run. As a plus it fulfills some of the same roles as the cards you ran that removed hexproof.
Archetype of Aggression - Replaces your Khenra Charioteer as a much better, single color, alternative.
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Great card draw, annihilator, reshuffles your graveyard which prevents mill and keeps your deck running even after a board wipe, and a giant eldrazi god, all built into one card.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - Card draw, counter protection, and a menacing eldrazi god. Who could ask for more?
Emrakul, the Promised End - Reduced costs, protection, flying, trample, steals a turn, and an eldrazi god. Nuff said.
Temur Ascendancy - Replaces or in addition to Fervor . Haste plus card draw and your creatures are almost all going to trigger it.
Demonic Tutor - Fantastic fetch card.
Vampiric Tutor - Fantastic fetch card.
Harsh Mercy - Tribal board wipe
Explosive Vegetation - Land fetch
Skyshroud Claim - Land fetch that comes in untapped. If you upgrade your landbase to include cards like Breeding Pool (see recommendations lower), you can use this and cards like Nature's Lore to fetch them and bring them in untapped.
Patriarch's Bidding - Full board wipe recovery, and/or a kill card if you have a haste enabler on the board.
Heroic Intervention - Top Tier instant speed protection.
Teferi's Protection - Top Tier instant speed protection
Cyclonic Rift - One of the best board wipes in the game. Cannot be protected against, reset's their entire board, and leaves you in a fantastic position.
Enlightened Tutor - Artifact/Enchantment Fetch
Worldly Tutor - Creature Fetch
Mystical Tutor - Instant/Sorcery Fetch
Urza's Incubator - Eldrazi cost reduction
Descendants' Path - Free Eldrazi casts
Rhystic Study - Fantastic card draw
Bloom Tender - In a 5-color deck this card is amazing ramp.
Birds of Paradise - Any color ramp for 1
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon - Does this require explanation in a colorless deck?
Beast Within - Destroys any permanent. This is a fantastic card to run as a mere 3/3 beast shouldn't bother you, and even if it would, it's likely far better than what they previously had.
Chaos Warp - Removes any permanent. Can be used on your own stuff to pull a new permanent out of your deck if needed. Bypasses indestructible.
See the Unwritten - Need I say more?
Tooth and Nail - Need I say more?
Exploration - Amazing ramp. Accelerates your turns
Burgeoning - See Exploration
Mana Reflection - The best mana doubler, bar none.
Zendikar Resurgent - Mana doubler plus card draw
Smothering Tithe - One of the best ramp cards
Oracle of Mul Daya - Fantastic acceleration. Combines with other accelerators such as Exploration and Burgeoning as they can now play lands off the top of your library as well.
Second Sunrise - Full boardwipe recovery
Defense of the Heart - Easy free creature drops
Mirari's Wake - Mana doubler plus anthem
Faith's Reward - Full, personal, boardwipe recovery
Seedborn Muse - One of the best cards you can run, bar none.
Commander's Sphere - 3 drop mana rock that can tap for all colors. Replaces your banners (ex. Vanquisher's Banner )
Darksteel Ingot - 3 drop indestructible mana rock that can tap for all colors. Replaces your banners (ex. Vanquisher's Banner )
Recommended Land Additions/Swaps:
Cavern of Souls
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - Mana coverage, allows your fetch and colorless lands to tap for colored if they need
Cabal Coffers - Combines with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to generates metric butt tons of mana
Fetch lands and shock lands are fantastic upgrades to your deck. Fetch lands let you pull the exact lands you need and let them come in untapped, and shock lands can both be fetched because they say the actual land type (ex. Breeding Pool is a Forest Island), and can come in untapped or tapped depending on what you need. Coming in untapped and generating multiple colors gives a distinct advantage over mono-colored lands and lands that must come in tapped.
Eldrazi Monument - Hurts you too much and doesn't generate enough benefit. If you can't get a weak creature out in time, or don't have one available, you'll either have a dead card in hand that you don't want to cast, or one that hurts you badly. If you want indestructible, look at cards like Boros Charm or Heroic Intervention .
From Beyond - Too slow and doesn't do enough.
A tribal deck isn't limited to only cards of its tribe, but rather is mostly one tribe and has several cards that accelerate and power up the tribe. Hence my recommendation is that you cut a few of the weaker cards that are unnecessary and instead run a few non-tribal cards that strengthen, accelerate, and assist your deck.
1 month ago
If you intentionally don't use Primal Surge to the maximum capabilities, you are not min-maxing your deck. Without diving into more technical applications of card advantage, resource cost, opportunity cost, and speed that factor into format defining competitive decks, we can refute your min-max shenanigans with that one little argument alone. You are also spending the maximum amount of mana to get the effect, instead of cheating to cast Primal Surge somehow, which doesn't mean you're getting the minimum either. You're getting a maximum-mediocre, which is a lot different than a minimum-maximum. You haven't even minimized the number of non-permanent spells, because that would be 0 and that's definitely something you could do. facepalm again
Having the opinion that one card wincons are boring doesn't make much difference to how effective they are. Also Coalition Victory is banned because of the ease of Prismatic Omen with a 5 color commander, not because its a one card wincon (which its not, it requires at least 1 creature and 1 land that makes 3 cards, not even counting the cards required to cast the spell in the first place), the other reason being it wins on resolve instead of requiring an upkeep (creates no drama on the board, kaput game is over). A better example of a one-card wincon would be Felidar Sovereign , which is legal, but you do have to get it into play somehow, which would require some amount of cards to get the mana. Even if you do find 1 card win cons boring, you're openly stating you wouldn't run an optimal card to win. Once again, definitely not min-maxing.
Sandwurm Convergence is a bad card dude. It costs 8 mana to give you a creature every turn and negate some attacks. When the format has all kinds of legal 1 and 2 mana cost tutors, and even more 2, 3, and 4 mana cost ways to win, 8 mana for a pillowfort card that doesn't guarantee immunity is not good. Its not even good in a format like standard or modern either, due to the high mana cost. Compare to Bitterblossom .
- Turn 2, you play BB
- Turn 3, you get first token (and 1 every turn after)
- Turn 4, you swing with 1 attacker for 1 damage dealt
- Turn 4, you swing with 2 attackers for 3 damage dealt
- Turn 5, you swing with 3 attackers for 6 damage dealt
- Turn 6, you swing with 4 attackers for 10 damage dealt
- Turn 7, you swing with 5 attackers for 15 damage dealt
- Turn 8, you swing with 6 attackers for 21 damage dealt
By the time you get to play Sandwurm Convergence, Bitterblossom has already dealt 21 damage. Sure, the 5/5 tokens are bigger and nice, but you get them faaaaaaaaar later than you get the BB tokens. This is part of the reason things with lower CMC are so much better. Speed is very important in MTG.
From a pillowfort perspective, Sandwurm Convergence still doesn't make sense. You even run Solitary Confinement but don't understand why that's such a better card than this one. If you play Idyllic Tutor into Solitary Confinement, you've spent 2 less mana and you STILL get a better effect. Even when these two abiliites of token creation and pillowfort are stapled together, the card just isn't worth the CMC.
The same idea goes for Phyrexian Arena and Honden of Seeing Winds . By turn 5 when you could play Honden, you've already drawn 2 cards with Arena. This is also why Dark Confidant is so expensive and is worlds ahead of Phyrexian Arena , even though it will usually cost you even more life. Having also lower CMC means you can also do multiple things. On turn 4, if you draw a Dark Confidant you can play it while also holding a Counterspell . The same is not true for Phyrexian Arena .
But what about multiple draws from multiple Hondens? That requires a greater number of cards from hand/deck and a waaaaay larger investment in mana. For 4 cards and 17 mana, there are all kinds of way better things you can do. I'd rather just play Mind Unbound and save the 3 other slots, even though that is also a bad card.
Counterbalance is a much better option than any of the other counter enchantments you're running. Unfortunately, you have 0 topdeck manipulation, so you're basically just crossing your fingers and hoping it works.
Relying on Sterling Grove or Privileged Position to protect you from Hive Mind is absurd when you run almost no tutors and very mediocre draw. When are you going to have both these out? If just one of them is out, it gets nuked first by removal, then the rest of your board follows suit. Hive Mind is bad the same way Mind's Dilation is bad, don't rely on your opponents to have certain cards in their decks to win for you.
You rely on about 3 different cards to win, none of them are even close to fast, and you have no way to reliably get them to hand or get them from the command zone. Even in battlecruiser casual EDH, most decks win or create a game winning board state by turn 10. Your game plan is topdeck well or lose. You need to get some better win conditions, or you're going to be losing a lot of games against anyone who has been playing longer than six months. I really don't know why you're writing a primer for a casual mish-mash of 99 cards either, you aren't doing much education on your card choices and I can see no reason someone would run this build over another K&T build. You aren't running optimal card choices, from your lands, to your ramp, to your draw, to your win cons, to your removal, to your pillowfort. This list is just another enchantress list stapled to K&T with almost no wincons and with a sub-optimal Primal Surge package stapled on that doesn't even guarantee a win on resolving.
1 month ago
Modern Horizons added few cards worth looking at and testing. Currently looking to get a foil Hall of Heliod's Generosity , which is going to be an auto-include. Also excited for On Thin Ice . Always wanted to run Chained to the Rocks in the deck since its mana cost is so aggressive, but the extremely low Mountain count made it so unreliable it was not worth it. Hopefully the ability to run snow lands makes On Thin Ice much more playable. I wish Marit Lage's Slumber was easier to shove in the deck as a spicy wincon, but there are not enough non-basic snow permanents to bother.
That being said. It's time for my rebuttal.
First of all, I don't see how the way I've constructed my deck couldn't be described as "min-max". I've minimized the number of non-permanent spells and maximized the number of enchantments.
My mana-base has proven itself not to be a problem from the times I played. I don't remember a time where I was starved for any one color of mana before. Admittedly many of the lands enter tapped, but my meta isn't cut-throat where that's a problem. That being said, the manlands might get cut soon. They were a product of the meta at the time and weren't all that relevant.
Sandwurm Convergence was an include due to the abundance of dragon and Kaalia decks in my meta. The 5/5 is hard to attack into as well. You'd be surprised the amount of times being unable to be attacked by fliers has mattered. Mind's Dilation can be hit or miss. Ripping a land does suck. If Mind's Dilation hits removal, I can probably cast it on something, otherwise the board's probably looking pretty empty. Hitting a counterspell off of Mind's Dilation can be used to counter the spell that triggered it. As far as the hondens are concerned, the only one that's bad outright by itself is the white one . Players run cards like Phyrexian Arena and Bitterblossom for incremental advantage all the time.
As far as the counter-enchantments, it's just a part of the stipulation I've created for the deck. The alternative I could do for myself is just cut the counterspell themed enchantments altogether and focus more on resolved threats and other effects that interact with the opponent (i.e. Rule of Law and Spirit of the Labyrinth ). Admittedly, I've thought about cutting Sunken Field for Counterbalance .
"Generally, when Hive Mind is out, players tend to refrain from casting instants and sorceries because giving opponents an advantage is bad, and removal can be used against the caster. Occasionally players are willing to ignore those downsides and you will get free card advantage and removal. At it's worst, your opponents all naturalize you." That being said, the "all the removal will be used against you" becomes a non-issue if Sterling Grove and/or Privileged Position are out.
The wincon for the deck is overwhelmingly out-valuing the opponents with card advantage, then dumping mana into Helix Pinnacle . I have added Sigil of the Empty Throne and Opalescence as additional wincons, although Opalescence will likely get cut for something else. I've never liked that it and Starfield of Nyx turn the hard-to-remove enchantments into easy-to-remove creatures.
1 month ago
Hello Peoyogon! Thank you for taking a look at the deck!
At this point we have playtested it, maybe 10-15 times over the last 3 weeks. The games do get out of hand quickly, often times not ending well for me, especially when playing asymmetrical effects where opponents get to free cast but I don't ( Tempting Wurm ), so everyone jumps 5+ turns ahead and I get left behind for the remainder of the game.
The most unfortunate thing that can happen is that someone will play to win, which they usually do quite quickly after they decide that because they have tons more mana and cards than they probably should. But as long as the win doesn't take too long to execute, everyone usually has no problem scooping and shuffling up again.
Excellent suggestions! I very much like the idea of Howling Mine and Ghirapur Orrery . I have also been considering Storm Cauldron to try to discourage people getting too greedy with their mana via tap-untap shenanigans.
I have noticed that one of the things I need to work on are self-protection. I need more effects like Privileged Position and Blazing Archon . Considering cards like Greater Auramancy and Sterling Grove
1 month ago
Hi, long post. I'm looking to get a lot of trading done hopefully.
I'm putting together a Estrid, the Masked Oathbreaker deck. I need to trade for Estrid obviously, and I also need some specific cards to to complete the deck. Here's a list:
1x Estrid, the Masked 1x Breeding Pool 1x Estrid's Invocation 1x Gift of Paradise 1x Imprisoned in the Moon 1x Mystic Remora 1x Weirding Wood 1x Swan Song 1x Swords to Plowshares 1x Kiora's Follower 1x Bramble Sovereign 2x Stasis 1x Hokori, Dust Drinker 1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence 1x Chain of Vapor 1x Spellseeker AnyX Forge of Heroes
I also have some specific wants from recent sets that I would be interested in trading for:
1x Phyrexian Altar (EMA) 2x Generous Gift 1x Gamble 1x Sulfur Falls 1x Finale of Revelation 1x Evolution Sage 1x Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin 1x Karn's Bastion 1x Flux Channeler 1x Bolas's Citadel 1x Karn, the Great Creator 2x Runic Armasaur 1x Biomancer's Familiar 1x Dark-Dweller Oracle 1x Immolation Shaman 1x Rhythm of the Wild 1x Emmara, Soul of the Accord 1x Teysa Karlov 1x Ugin, the Ineffable 1x God-Eternal Oketra 1x Teferi, Time Raveler 1x Saheeli, Sublime Artificer 1x Tithe Taker 1x Light Up the Stage 1x Priest of Forgotten Gods 1x Beast Whisperer 1x Cruel Celebrant 2x Dovin's Veto 1x Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion 1x Primal Amulet Flip 1x Neheb, the Eternal 1x Deep Forest Hermit 17x Snow-Covered Mountain 1x Goblin Engineer 1x Yawgmoth, Thran Physician 1x Cabal Therapist 1x Mirrodin Besieged 1x Hall of Heliod's Generosity 1x Talisman of Hierarchy 1x Talisman of Creativity
And I was also thinking about making a Feather EDH deck, so I would be interested in trading for these cards as well:
I also have a bunch of commander staples in my binder wants. I'll obviously trade for them for the right offer, but if I haven't listed them here then they're not a priority for me right now.
You can find my Binder here: Link. It should be about 95% up to date. I recommend sorting by price, since there's a lot on there.
Here's a list of some of my notable haves that I'm looking to trade:
1x Leyline of the Void 1x Ensnaring Bridge (STH) 1x Sakashima the Impostor 1x The Chain Veil 1x Purphoros, God of the Forge 2x Vedalken Orrery 1x Scourge of the Throne 1x Life from the Loam 1x Tainted Pact 1x Nature's Will 1x Opalescence 1x Isochron Scepter 1x Master Transmuter 2x Sterling Grove 1x Karador, Ghost Chieftain 3x Nim Deathmantle 1x Lotus Bloom 4x Puresteel Paladin
...and others not mentioned.
Leave a comment or message me if you're interested :)
1 month ago
Hey just looking over this a little, and I like your take on Tolsimir! I see a few things I might change around/suggestions for your build.
Could consider running the new Nature's Chant too if you wanted? I'm not sure about it myself yet.
You have a lot of creatures that might not be as cohesive as you might like? For example Juniper Order Ranger looks good on the surface but at 5 mana he is often going to be worse than, say the Cathars' Crusade you have that won't be as easy to destroy. Trostani, Selesnya's Voice is another example I think. I cut these two for other alternatives like say Second Harvest or Wilt-Leaf Liege (gives static +2/+2 to some things and has a discard effect).
Some VERY important cards I found were Righteous Aura (gives incredible defense without seeming threatening), Tamiyo's Journal (some great draw/tutor and is helped by doubling season), Sterling Grove (some much needed enchantment protection, as well as a tutor), and ESPECIALLY Aura Shards (AMAZING removal card. You always go plus with it)
Take a look at my build as well, I would love more feedback! Wolf Friends Unite! Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves
Sterling Grove occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
GWU (Bant): 0.74%