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- Two Vorinclex, voice of hungers.
- how much to add?
- Does having Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger + Zendikar Resurgent give you two extra mana when you tap a land?
- How much mana do you get from a land when having Mana Reflection + Zendikar Resurgent + Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger?
- Vorinclex & Hokori untap land effect question
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Whenever you tap a land for mana, gain one mana of any type that land produced.
Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that land doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
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Mortlocke on The Song of Phyresis
1 month ago
Thanks for posting! ONE is definitely going to shake this deck up considerably in that I absolutely plan to incorporate some of the spells that give opponents Poison counters - without targeting them, no less. I have a number of changes already planned and would love to hear your thoughts as I'm honestly having a bit of a tough time speculating on what to cut to make room. So far, here are my planned changes
Ixhel, Descendent of Atraxa for Hand of the Praetors: Given that Infect will be less dominant of a mechanic among creatures in this deck cutting Hand of the Praetors seems logical. Besides, with the host of cards that allow me to place poison counters directly on opponents, Hand of the Praetors seems even less relevant.
Skrelv, Defector Mite for Viridian Corrupter: Skrlev provides so many benefits being a psudo Mother of Runes that also grants Toxic and evasion. Viridian Corrupter's ETB effect is far too narrow for my liking, and only amounts to just a 2/2 with Infect. Toxic creatures such as Skrlev boast so many "goodstuff" effects that it's a no brainer why Corrupter has to be cut.
Myr Convert for Grateful Apparition: Apparition has long been on the replacement list as it's a non-phyrexian. Myr Convert is a perfect replacement as it's another mana dork that can put poison counters on players. Losing a proliferation source is a loss, but given the horde of new Toxic creatures that proliferate off of one trigger or another, this overall is a net gain.
Bloated Contaminator for Priests of Norn: Bloated Contaminator is actually my dream creature for the set. Evasion, Poison and Proliferate on a great body is just a dream come true. My only hope is that there is another creature just like it in March of the Machines. Priests of Norn is an okay creature for the most part but doesn't amount to much beyond just being a 1/4 infect creature.
White Sun's Twilight for Winds of Abandon: I've always been somewhat disappointed with Winds of Abandon as it more likely than not can ramp my opponent far beyond my ability to stop them. Sure, a horde of tokens can be wiped out - but at what cost? White Sun's Twilight isn't exactly a one sided boardwipe, but it can get me a bunch of 1/1 creatures that put Poison counters on players on top of slowing them down.
Vraska, Betrayal's Sting for Sheoldred, Whispering One: Obviously i'm happy to see Phyrexian themed planeswalkers and I'm overjoyed to see another Planeswalker with a focus on Poison counters. Swapping Vraska in for Sheoldred is both a mechanics and a flavor win - Sheoldred turned her back on Elesh Norn to pursue her own misguided and selfish desires along with the heretic Urbrask.
Tyrranax Rex for Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger: I've enjoyed the Soft lock VoH places on the board just by virtue of being there alone, but I've felt that his control never really synchronized with the rest of the deck. Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider compliments the deck directly and is a huge flavor win. Tyrranax Rex just seems like the perfect upgrade as it is CMC cheaper, has almost as many keywords as Questing Beast and places multiple Poison counters on an opponent when it hits. Rex in my eyes is a "backup" Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon in terms of power level and "feel".
Phyresis Outbreak for Toxic Deluge: Phyresis Outbreak is the mass removal I've always wished for and is a direct upgrade to Deluge - within the context of this deck that is. This card is absolutely a must include.
The Seedcore for Swamp: The Seedcore gives me Sliver Hive vibes, but having a card that fixes my mana in a 4 color deck and is a flavor win just seems like a no-brainer.
Venerated Rotpriest for Glistener Elf: Venerated Rotpriest is just a deterrent as this deck has very few spells that I would consider worthwhile for targeting my own creatures. Glistener Elf is an okay card but within the context of EDH it's "meh". Late game it hardly makes an impact without a horde of +1/+1 counters and some form of evasion.
Contaminant Grafter for Blight Mamba: Containment Grafter feels like a great card that can help reinforce a boardstate and put additional pressure on opponents mid to late game. Early game it would essentially help me run away with the game through conditional ramp and card advantage. Blight Mamba has honestly never done much for me and generally is as impactful as Glistener Elf.
Now comes the list of cards I think are at least worth considering (that I may or may not include) but don't exactly know what to cut to make room for:
Staff of Compleation: This is a big flashy card that caught my attention given the myriad of things it can do. However without the right combo piece this card could end up doing me more harm than good.
Glistening Sphere: There are very few drop mana rocks that are worthwhile, but this one definitely caught my eye. I'm not sure if it's any better than Astral Cornucopia though, as i've been ramped into the stratosphere with just a few proliferation triggers. Not to mention it only gets better just by having Atraxa on the field. I really want to like this card, but it doesn't seem to make the cut. If only it were
Infectious Inquiry: this seems like an absolute must have and am honestly considering cutting Phyrexian Arena for it. Arena does nothing the turn it ETBs and if I draw it late game it'll literally do nothing. Infectious Inquiry on the otherhand is always relevant, replaces itself and draws me a card. I just can't help but feel like i'm missing something by cutting Phyrexian Arena. I want to go ahead with this decision but I can't help but feel apprehensive and would really like your thoughts on this one.
Infectious Bite: I want to love this card but unfortunately besides the commander there are relatively few creatures whose bite would make any meaningful impact on the game. I think I might pass on this one.
Prologue to Phyresis: Everything you said about this card is spot on, and it is relevant at any point of the game. The question is - what to cut for it? I think cutting Contagion Clasp might be the move on this one, but i'm not entirely sure. Clasp is very conditional removal but what's important is that it's a repeatable proliferation source. But, maybe the new inclusions will help offset the loss of a proliferation source? I think this is the right move but I would like to hear your thoughts.
"What's your experience with Blightsteel Colossus and Contagion Engine? Do they ever come out to the battlefield or just happen to be on-theme inclusions?" To answer your question both hit the battlefield on a regular basis. Blightsteel Colossus is surprisingly easy to cast with a proliferated Astral Cornucopia or Everflowing Chalice. One of my best plays was countering a Villainous Wealth with being equal to 8 with Mana Drain and funneling that mana into a turn 5 Blightsteel. Contagion Engine is great for mass removal as well as a proliferation engine. If I tutor for it it's usually alongside Tangle Wire after Ichor Rats hit the field. It essentially grinds the game down to a snail's pace - or a halt under the right conditions.
End rant, sorry to write you a book but I had a lot on my mind. Please let me know what you think of all the upcoming changes!
DrukenReaps on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
3 months ago
So I guess Sheldon and maybe a few others from the Rules Committee aren't happy with Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines. You can listen to or read Sheldon's thoughts in this link, his article is in video description - Elesh Norn Potential Ban?!
I find myself, maybe not for the first time, but actually wanting to build mono-white. She's interesting to me if maybe generic. I at least have a group that will let me play her regardless of the Rules Committee.
But I'm curious what other people think about this opinion piece by Sheldon? And I have to ask, why so hard on Elesh Norn when Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur and Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger exist. I don't really take issues with those cards myself but they are much more threatening imo than the new Elesh Norn. Heck I think the old Elesh Norn is more threatening, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. I guess you can argue the lower mana cost of Mommy Norn but mana doesn't mean much to Vorinclex. Trust me, that one is coming for you xD
I guess I'm just interested in y'alls thoughts? Do any of these get anywhere near what you think of when you think bans?
OHCyanide on Its 2013 in 2022 V1.4 (Prossh EDH)
6 months ago
V1.1 - Cannibalizing other decks to flesh mine out
Ashenmoor Liege, Shattergang Brothers, Fell Shepherd, Walker of the Grove, Plague Boiler, Jar of Eyeballs, Vile Requiem, Empty the Pits, Rough / Tumble
Karametra's Acolyte - Green devotion mana dork. Xenagos, God of Revels - Generally great, explosive charges Balefire Dragon - Psuedo-board clear, can pump with Xenagos, God of Revels. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - Psuedo-rap, board control Bow of Nylea - Attacking death touch tokens are way more threatening, can't chunk block them. Devotion to green. Cultivate - Ramp is good. Ranger's Path - Ramp is still good. Into the Wilds - Semi draw, semi ramp, top of library manipulation. Xenagos, the Reveler - Ramp, tokens, whats not to like? Death's Presence - A bit win more, but re-using the stats from stacked tokens can be great.
_Delta_ on Simic Lands
6 months ago
Glad to be of help! It was late and I realized after I suggested still a few things you had already included but by a later point couldn't go back to edit them. I admit I never got into asking some questions perhaps on the exact power level or anything like that but I get why you might not wish to add some of these. I use all the ones named regarding that self-mill strategy (Laboratory Maniac etc) in a Kruphix, God of Horizons deck I have which is capable of some explosive plays when I start generating ridiculous amounts of mana and or cast something like Omniscience with ways to draw a crazy amount of cards. But it also plays a bunch of big creatures like the Eldrazi if I want to win in a more straightforward, combat-focused way. I get the appeal of wanting to build up a big boardstate, and Simic colours are great for that.
I'll also just say that I started Magic back in approx 2013 and was the colour pair I fell in love with for deckbuilding and during my first little while with the game me and some friends played at a pretty casual level too. In fact, before I even knew much of anything about all the various formats, I played a Simic deck which was like 80 cards filled with stuff like an Arcanis the Omnipotent with multiple ways to untap it and some other things with useful activated abilities, a playset of Roil Elementals which I protected with counterspells and Archetype of Endurance (they were fun to use alongside Explosive Vegetation and similar effects), Lifeblood Hydra, Horizon Chimera were others, and finally some goodies like Prophet of Kruphix (rip its commander banning) and later additions like Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger.
Some of this became a Vorel of the Hull Clade commander deck for a while, but I still really always liked the theme of lands early on which is why I made a Lord Windgrace deck and now most recently an Omnath, Locus of Creation deck.
And having a lot of lands can be made to work, it's for one thing unfortunate that many of the cards in this theme which allow you to play extra lands from hand or graveyard are so costly even despite some reprints so there were a lot of ideas I skipped suggesting. I still think you should keep an eye out for Ramunap Excavator if you have a good chance to acquire one because you do have a significant number of lands which either can be sacrificed, cycled, or in some way become a creature and at some point die, so having another way to earn a few more back could be useful outside of World Shaper, Splendid Reclamation, and The Mending of Dominaria which I see is nonetheless your general gameplan.
Some of my decks which can be seen on my profile are complete / nearly fully owned, but yet others I build them how I want them to be eventually a little later and I definitely get wanting to make choices that are budget friendly with myself still as a student. I have for one thing been smart or simply gotten lucky and picked up a lot of cards from buying/trades when they were either cheap / reprinted over the years which has made a few of my decks creep up in price now (my best example of this was acquiring a Sliver Queen for $100 CAD worth of trades (approx $76 US) like five years ago. Anyway, if I do think of more stuff which could be of use here I'll let you know btw!
TheOfficialCreator on How is Camaraderie a Bend?
7 months ago
I think Urabrask the Hidden was a bit of a stumble that also occurred with Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, and Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger.
Namely, Wizards designed the first ability, then went "what's the opposite?" and then put it on the card regardless of if that ability was in the color pie.
Plus, it's my personal opinion that the more expensive a spell is, the more it can diverge from the color pie. To an extent, obviously.
8 months ago
Add the following (OPTIONAL) for stax & advantage purposes
McToters on Winter is coming Jorn Snow
10 months ago
Hey there--love this deck! Two cards that come to mind right away would be Blizzard and Freyalise's Winds. The latter would be brutal for opponents since you would obviously still untap your stuff with your commander out. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger also seems like an apt upgrade to achieve the same strategy.
FYI--you are missing a majority of your lands on this list, I'm assuming those would be snow lands. Also, Emrakul is banned I think?
Again, awesome stuff and hopefully what I provided here helps!
Grasshoppeh1 on Karametra, Big-Mana Stompy [PRIMER]
1 year ago
Saw your reddit post, I don't reddit but I do lurk....
This is an unorganized brain dump of my thoughts on the deck. Pressed the playtest button above and goofed around with it a bit.
Anyone playing karametra knows how busted Whitemane Lion is. Thus I can make a logical guess that you purposely took it out. Mind you that for white+1 it is your most powerful ramp spell. Along with its friends Kor Skyfisher and Stonecloaker. I'm not saying you should run it, but maybe consider either that or stonecloaker if your play group has a lot of graveyard stuff happening.
One land to consider might be Mistveil Plains, I would only swap it in if you feel like you run out of threats.
37 lands might be too much? Maybe try 35-36 and see how you like it. You have karametra!
Lotus Cobra is another Tireless Provisioner which trigger off your general, I must suggest replacing Faeburrow Elder. That is partially preference and how you reason it is like this: if you feel like Tireless Provisioner is better than Faeburrow Elder it is time to swap in a cobra.
A tech swap might be Garruk's Uprising over Elemental Bond. For one if your trying to stompy them,, you should probably have more than 4 power. It also gives natural trample. The catch is it reduces your draw potential, which we can actually address.
How often does your Archangel of Thune go off? Do you feel its falling behind?
Cataclysmic Gearhulk is a potential alternate board wipe that gives you a creature. Tragic Arrogance does the same things, but you get to pick >:)
If you feel like your running out of ammo, Pokedex is worth trying out (Lifecrafter's Bestiary), Return of the Wildspeaker is a buff or draw, Garruk, Primal Hunter is draw or more creatures.
As for stompy bois, some I consider are Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger (WARNING: High salt), Woodland Bellower (Tutor + body), Apex Devastator (goes brrrr). Shalai, Voice of Plenty (if your wide or get targeted a lot), Kaldra Compleat (high pressure, makes big thing bigger), Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar (Comes back and with a lot of lands hits hard), one of my favorite cards ever printed, "cute" swarm uhh... I mean Scute Swarm. (s)cute swarm goes nuts when you start dropping lands. Get the alt art for extra (s)cuteness.
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