Creature — Elemental
Landfall Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may gain control of target creature for as long as you control Roil Elemental.
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Roil Elemental Discussion
2 weeks ago
Omnath, Locus of Rage is the overt, "look at me being dangerous" commander.
Omnath, Locus of the Roil is a value engine that adds blue to your color identity. Mystic Sanctuary loops, tricksy stuff like Avenger of Zendikar with Mystic Reflection, loops with Walking Atlas and Retreat to Coralhelm, maybe Roil Elemental, blue really adds a lot to landfall decks that Gruul just can't provide. Or you could be Oneshotting people with Sylvan Awakening, turning 25 lands into elementals, playing your commander and sending the ETB trigger to someone's face.
Gruul and Temur Omnath just will not result in the same decks, the same way that the average OG Omnath, Locus of Mana deck won't look much like the Gruul Omnath deck. Just try and see if the blue additions fit your playstyle, and save a decklists for the Gruul build, in case it doesn't.
4 months ago
I did consider them, my only problem is the manacost. While playing the deck, I found cutting the bigger cards for carddraw or tutors gave me a chance to find the more important cards; like Scute Swarm. My second reason is political, cards like Baleful Strix don't get the attention of other players, while Roil Elemental will. With this deck I try to controle the game and fly under the radar, if I don't have any big threats in my hand.
Then again, there is an argument to be made to add them, as I don't realy have any good reanimator cards appart from Sire of Stagnation.
4 months ago
If you want to bounce some lands you can look into using some moonfolk like Meloku the Clouded Mirror which can be paired with Patron of the Moon, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, and Dryad of the Ilysian Grove
On a separate note Greater Good might be worth condisering you have some pretty high powered creatures. It pairs well with Splendid Reclamation and World Shaper which can lead to an explosive turn with your landfall cards in play.
4 months ago
Cool deck! Since you're running a lands-matter Yarok, the Desecrated, have you thought about Roil Elemental? Since your deck seems to be a high power level, stealing your opponents creatures doesn't seem too oppressive.
Rampaging Baloths is another good landfall card. Pretty easy to make a horde of Beasts to attack everyone with.
9 months ago
Roil Elemental ? Not quite budget but you've got your control/ramp synergy there.
11 months ago
Nice brew! Roil Elemental seems like a good suggestion.
11 months ago
Really enjoyed your game on Muddstah, definitely making me reexamine Omenkeel. Do you tend to always play it on the Omenkeel side? Have you ever found a time that make Cosima a better play?
Have you considered Tideforce Elemental? I'm a big fan in most U-based landfall decks, and here it would be able to help crew vehicles as well as clear out blockers. Also, have you tested Roil Elemental?
Also, while I get that you play a lot of your opponent's lands, would you consider cards like Scaretiller and Terrain Generator to help get the lands you draw onto the field? Finally, any consideration of Blackblade Reforged to help close the game or nah? Thanks!
1 year ago
I think you need to cut a lot of stuff... You'll need 40+ lands for a landfall deck I think. You've got so many cards that allow you to play additional lands. You might not have that many lands to get the value out of those cards, even if you could play lands from GY.
I think in the deck, there's 3 kinds of cards to fit the theme of what you're doing:
- Small/medium stuff which both ramps and boosts landfall at the same time like Oracle of Mul Daya
- Then it's big powerful board state changing stuff that your general will cheat from GY, like Roil Elemental
- Utility for answers to opponent like Ingot Chewer and Demonic Tutor to control the board
Once you have the cards for (1), I think you'll be pretty unstoppable. You'll have the mana base to just throw things out. You shouldn't need to worry about card draw because your general can play off the GY. But, I don't think you have enough cards that puts things into GY. If you have a full GY, your general becomes basically tutor any card and cast it for 5 mana, which is ridiculously cheap. Mayael the Anima 's ability, in comparison, costs 6, and you only get to choose from top 5 random cards. I think exploiting the general's ability is the most powerful thing in this deck, but you can't do it without a graveyard.
I think cards that don't fit that theme you've got going should be cut, even if they're powerful cards, because they clunk up your engine. Except Vigor . Bloody Vigor is the best.
Cards I think you want:
Eternal Witness - this card combos with so much, espectially if you got a way to recur it back. It returns any card from graveyard to hand, not just creatures. Great for searching for answers in your GY which aren't elementals.
Hermit Druid - Populates your GY, and nets you a land in hand. Once it's on the board, for 1 mana, you're guaranteed a basic land, and lots of stuff in your GY. It's crazy good utility. But be careful, because 5 colour means you won't have that much room for basics.
Mana Drain - The much better counterspell
Shriekmaw - Does what your Ingot Chewer and Wispmare can do, but to non-black creatures. Is elemental, so can be reused for general. Completes your board control for artifacts, enchantments, and creatures.
Cards I think you might not want:
Avenger of Zendikar - good card, but not amazing value for money IMO. For 7 mana, I think it needs to be a game changer. I know you wanna build +1+1 counters into it, but I think there's just not enough cards for that engine, and you already have too many cards.
Animar, Soul of Elements - If you have your general out, animar doesn't really do much... If you get Animar out early, it doesn't help you cast your general, and those counters will take time to build up, by which time you might as well use your general.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - a 10 mana card that you can't cheat out with your general?
Yarok, the Desecrated - you don't really have that many ETB effects for this to be worthwhile imo.
Sylvan Awakening - why for?
Vampiric Tutor - always good to have a tutor... but it might get in the way since this tutors to the top of your library rather than your hand. So it just interferes with your "play lands off topdeck" cards, which you have a few, and then everyone also gets to see what you've tutored.
Nissa, Vital Force - eh...
Path of Discovery - pretty underwhelming... requires a creature to come down, then you might either get a land in hand, or a +1/1 counter to the creature that just came down. So only 40% of the time or so you'll actually get a land in hand. For 4 mana, you have Oracle of Mul Daya, which is just much better.
Exploration - my experience with exploration is that it peters out quickly. If you play it early, you don't have an engine yet, and you run out of land in a turn or 2. If you play it late, it's a little underwhelming. Rather pay more mana for Mina and Denn, Wildborn , Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya which both sources you lands and let you play them. You also have Muldrotha, the Gravetide , The Gitrog Monster , and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy which also serves similar functions but have other uses.
Growth Spiral - arguably worse than Exploration because it's single use. Effectively does the same thing as farseek because it replaces itself with a card draw, and you get a land on the battlefield in addition to your normal turn land. But worse than farseek because you can't tutor for the card you're drawing, and you need to have 2 lands in hand for it to be worthwhile. Also needs 2 specific coloured mana to play, which you might not have early game in a 5 colour deck.
Icon of Ancestry - costs 3 to use, and needs to tap. You're much better off having something that puts things in graveyard instead because you general only costs 5, and puts it on the battlefield. And you're restricted to elemental cards, which is likely 1/3 or less of your deck. You only get to top deck 3, so it's unreliable and mana inefficient.
Dragonmaster Outcast - it's a strong card, but if you're going to cut something, cut the cards that don't synergize. It's not an elemental, it doesn't put stuff in graveyard, it isn't an answer to something an opponent plays, it doesn't put land on the board or have landfall.