If one or more +1/+1 counters would be placed on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are placed on it instead.
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Hardened Scales occurrence in decks from the last year
Hardened Scales Discussion
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
9-lives, ramping into large Stonecoil Serpent and Hangarback Walker isn't what we are trying to do. With Hardened Scales , Winding Constrictor , or Conclave Mentor paying 2 to 4 mana into x is fine and getting a few bonus counters. This kind of deck wants to finish the game before x can be large. Stonecoil is great right now because it can block niv and blanks most of that decks cards.
3 weeks ago
Like Omniscience_is_life said as well, these aren't triggered abilities. Triggered abilities start with "when," "whenever," "at," etc. When their trigger condition is met, they are put on the stack and later resolve. A replacement effect usually starts with "if," but pretty much always includes the word "instead." These effects don't go on the stack at all; they just modify the event they apply to. This means that neither Doubling Season nor Hardened Scales ever puts any counters on anything. The easiest way to parse replacement effects is to think of them rewriting the original effect. In this case, that would look something like the following:
" Avenger of Zendikar 's landfall ability triggers, putting one +1/+1 counter (Hardened Scales: actually two) (Doubling Season: actually four) on each Plant you control."
The source of the counters is always Avenger of Zendikar 's landfall trigger, and all of the counters are placed simultaneously as the landfall ability is resolving, just like they would have been without Doubling Season and Hardened Scales in play. No extra triggers are created; the only difference is the number of counters Avenger of Zendikar places.
3 weeks ago
Neither effect is a "trigger"--they are both replacement effects. You stack how they apply, not resolve. How it would happen is this: +1/+1 counter tries to get placed. Hardened Scales says "wait nerd put on another". Doubling Season says "make that 4". Then it ends there
3 weeks ago
I am playtesting my new Daghatar the Adamant deck and happen to have both Doubling Season and Hardened Scales on the battlefield. Just cast Rishkar's Expertise for free thanks to Mosswort Bridge . Landed an Avenger of Zendikar .
Played my land for turn and that's when I noticed something. The land is going to put a +1/+1 counter on each of my 0/1 Plant tokens. Then, I have two triggers to stack, Doubling Season and Hardened Scales .
I ordered them such that Doubling Season resolves first. It resolves and they get 2x +1/+1 counters instead. However, before Hardened Scales resolves, Hardened Scales will see Doubling Season , correct?
So now my stack should look like this, in terms of being ordered top-down for FILO.
- Doubling Season (Resolved)
- Hardened Scales (Seeing Doubling Season)
- Hardened Scales (Seeing AoZ's landfall ability).
But, when the first Hardened Scales (Seeing DS) resolve, won't that then cause Doubling Season to see this effect, and thus resort to the stack now looking like this:
- DS (Resolved)
- HS seeing DS (Resolved)
- Doubling Season (seeing Hardened Scales)
- Hardened Scales (Seeing AoZ)
This creates an infinite loop, yes? As in a true infinite loop, since neither are "may" abilities?
So this results in a draw?
3 weeks ago
A +1/+1 counter version would work very well with this as the big problem is you are only getting 1 use out of your creature and aura enhancers.
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1 month ago
As Plaxcaster Frogling enters the battlefield, there is 1 replacement effect modifying how it enters the battlefield. You'll have to choose from among them (it), then check if any other replacement effects can be applied and choose from among them. You repeat this process, ignoring any replacement effects that have already been applied until there are no more replacement effects to choose. So lets go through this process:
The only replacement effect available is: Graft 3.
Now you have Plaxcaster Frogling entering with 3 +1/+1 counters, so you have 4 effects to choose from. You can pick any 4 of them, but you can't pick Graft 3 again. You'll probably want to choose Hardened Scales or Conclave Mentor , so let's pick the Mentor like you suggested.
So it's no entering with 5, with just Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider and Doubling Season left, so you pick one, it goes to 10, and you pick the other going to 20 +1/+1 counters, just like you wanted. If instead you had two Doubling Season s, it would work the same way. Having the same card name or a different card name doesn't make a difference here, and Doubling Season actually gives us this useful ruling:
8/7/2020 If there are two Doubling Seasons on the battlefield, then the number of tokens or counters is four times the original number. If there are three on the battlefield, then the number of tokens or counters is eight times the original number, and so on.
1 month ago
Specifically, if I have Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider , Doubling Season , Hardened Scales , and Conclave Mentor in play, then I play Plaxcaster Frogling , can I order the effects like conclave -> hardened -> doubling -> Vorinclex so the frog gets 20 +1/+1, or do I have to choose hardened or conclave then choose vorinclex or doubling?