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Archetype of Endurance
Enchantment Creature — Boar
Creatures you control have hexproof.
Creatures your opponents control lose hexproof and can't have or gain hexproof.
3 weeks ago
Totally get it Epicurus, it's a good critique and you're not wrong - the early game can be a bit of a wash. That said, the ramp options/mana doublers in here usually zip me to 7 or 8 mana quickly which gets me started on that beefy action. A few top deck filters, draw spells + cheat into play options in here too which can help refine the early game.
I play in a honed but not quite cEDH meta and this deck fares quite well in that environment. I've won the last 2 4 person FFA games I've played this deck - the last match was funny, down to 1 other player and I had a soft lock with Archetype of Endurance + Platinum Emperion + Void Winnower & was milling 20 cards a turn with Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger. BUT. I know what you mean. Are you thinking it could use more fast mana? I completely agree that this deck needs more efficient early game removal/interaction and I think I will look to take out a few win-more options in favor of cheap removal (e.g. Nature's Claim) + a fog effect or 2, that's a good idea.
Do you have any cheap-ish to cast removal favourites that you like to run in mono G/colourless?
3 weeks ago
NV_1980 I made some of those changes! I upgraded the ramp by adding Arcane Signet, Chromatic Lantern, Fellwar Stone, and Nature's Lore. For more protection I added Archetype of Endurance, Asceticism, and Heroic Intervention. For some haste enablers I added Frenzied Saddlebrute and Surrak, the Hunt Caller. And finally, I was able to add Kodama of the East Tree.
After a couple of playtests I feel like the speed of the deck has increased by a couple turns and I'm a bit more aggressive. But what do you think of the changes?
1 month ago
After play-testing 10 games with this against some of my own decks, here's what I found:
- In 6 out of 10 games, I could only play lands and cast Mayael for the first 6 turns, after which I could start using her ability. In 2 out of 10 games, I could also cast a ramp spell and play one more land (so I could use her ability by turn 5). In the two remaining games, it took longer to utilize Mayael (7 and 8 turns) and/OR hard-cast creatures. In my meta, this is a bit problematic as it is just too slow. I understand you don't want to include mana-weenies, because they mess up the results of Mayael's ability, but maybe you could consider some more ramping options. Some more mana-rocks maybe? Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone and Chromatic Lantern come to mind.
- Mayael is quite vulnerable. In the games I tested, she was dispatched multiple times with ease. Since you're relying on her for most of your strategy, maybe include some more protection like Swiftfoot Boots, Boros Charm, Flawless Maneuver, Vigor, Asceticism or Archetype of Endurance.
- The speed of your deck could also be improved by adding a few haste enablers; maybe stuff like Rhythm of the Wild or Fervor?
- Last but not least, with so many nice high-cost beaters in your deck you could also greatly benefit from the use of cards like Cream of the Crop, Lurking Predators and especially Kodama of the East Tree.
Hope some of this helps. Good luck with your brew.
3 months ago
Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for these. Shalai, Voice of Plenty seems like an easy replacement for Archetype of Endurance, who's mostly in there because I had one and it maybe gets cheap enough to be useful with Hamza's effect. Maybe it's worth having both, though the Archetype is taking up a spot that could put more counters on things...
3 months ago
multimedia I'll definitely keep an eye on those areas. Brave the Sands was already on my watch list for potential things to cut. I already have a Satyr Wayfinder, so I'll go ahead and swap that in. I cut it from an early version of the deck when I was averse to self-mill. Nothing felt worse than milling only instants and sorceries into the yard and not even getting a land out of the deal.
In fact, I'll probably swap in all of those suggestions except I'm going to push back on Ghoultree and Dream Devourer. You're probably right about DD, but I like the idea of putting away a Living Death for an opportune moment. And Ghoultree feels like an easy way to drop a 10/10 for one mana fairly early in the game if I've been dredging well.
I'll look at Ramp too. I know I keep giving the same defense of "when my Fauna Shaman engine is running", but that's another situation where, when it works, I'm playing two lands EVERY turn, no questions asked.
This may be a dumb question, but I ask it in all sincerity: what am I hoping to draw that would keep me relevant in the game, especially if I'm cutting removal cards like Putrefy?
Truthfully, I don't see myself mutating Nethroi more than once per game, so I've been trying to focus on how to just end the game in that reanimation. My ideal situation would be to mutate onto Hydra Omnivore, recur Mogis's Marauder, use Yannik, Scavenging Sentinel to exile Karmic Guide and a big creature like Ghoultree to give enough +1/+1 counters to the Commander to end the game with commander damage for each player, since Omnivore deals damage to each player equal to the damage dealt to defending player. To better achieve that goal, I was considering swapping out Giant Ankheg for Archetype of Endurance since it grants all my creatures Trample. It only gives my creatures Ward 2 instead of hexproof but it might be worth the trade off if I can end the game right there... is that crazy? Am I putting too much stock in my ideal situation?
4 months ago
Glad to be of help! It was late and I realized after I suggested still a few things you had already included but by a later point couldn't go back to edit them. I admit I never got into asking some questions perhaps on the exact power level or anything like that but I get why you might not wish to add some of these. I use all the ones named regarding that self-mill strategy (Laboratory Maniac etc) in a Kruphix, God of Horizons deck I have which is capable of some explosive plays when I start generating ridiculous amounts of mana and or cast something like Omniscience with ways to draw a crazy amount of cards. But it also plays a bunch of big creatures like the Eldrazi if I want to win in a more straightforward, combat-focused way. I get the appeal of wanting to build up a big boardstate, and Simic colours are great for that.
I'll also just say that I started Magic back in approx 2013 and was the colour pair I fell in love with for deckbuilding and during my first little while with the game me and some friends played at a pretty casual level too. In fact, before I even knew much of anything about all the various formats, I played a Simic deck which was like 80 cards filled with stuff like an Arcanis the Omnipotent with multiple ways to untap it and some other things with useful activated abilities, a playset of Roil Elementals which I protected with counterspells and Archetype of Endurance (they were fun to use alongside Explosive Vegetation and similar effects), Lifeblood Hydra, Horizon Chimera were others, and finally some goodies like Prophet of Kruphix (rip its commander banning) and later additions like Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger.
Some of this became a Vorel of the Hull Clade commander deck for a while, but I still really always liked the theme of lands early on which is why I made a Lord Windgrace deck and now most recently an Omnath, Locus of Creation deck.
And having a lot of lands can be made to work, it's for one thing unfortunate that many of the cards in this theme which allow you to play extra lands from hand or graveyard are so costly even despite some reprints so there were a lot of ideas I skipped suggesting. I still think you should keep an eye out for Ramunap Excavator if you have a good chance to acquire one because you do have a significant number of lands which either can be sacrificed, cycled, or in some way become a creature and at some point die, so having another way to earn a few more back could be useful outside of World Shaper, Splendid Reclamation, and The Mending of Dominaria which I see is nonetheless your general gameplan.
Some of my decks which can be seen on my profile are complete / nearly fully owned, but yet others I build them how I want them to be eventually a little later and I definitely get wanting to make choices that are budget friendly with myself still as a student. I have for one thing been smart or simply gotten lucky and picked up a lot of cards from buying/trades when they were either cheap / reprinted over the years which has made a few of my decks creep up in price now (my best example of this was acquiring a Sliver Queen for $100 CAD worth of trades (approx $76 US) like five years ago. Anyway, if I do think of more stuff which could be of use here I'll let you know btw!
5 months ago
Archetype of Courage and Archetype of Endurance aren't super good value for the mana you put in. If you want increased combat effectiveness, there are toughness buffs, and if you want protection, that are counterspells or targeted protections like Ephemerate or Dive Down or Simic Charm or Resolute Watchdog
Turn to Frog is not a very exciting removal effect if you're in white and could just be running Swords to Plowshares. Same for the tapdown of Winterthorn Blessing, or the delayed value of Fall of the Impostor. Beast Within or Generous Gift are also premier removal.
You have a few off-theme creatures I think you won't much like: Disciplined Duelist works off power, Horizon Chimera gains a little life which is pretty low value overall, same for Lunarch Veteran Flip. Rootcoil Creeper and Llanowar Scout aren't too bad, but I think there are probably better ramp effects for you.
Slaughter the Strong is crazy strong in your deck!
6 months ago
The same is true for things that will have a keyword ability from an unconditional static ability at all times when they are on the battlefield. The Archetypes (Archetype of Endurance, Archetype of Finality, Archetype of Courage) do not have keyword abilities to distribute the keyword counters from.