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At the beginning of your upkeep, put a lore counter on Mind Unbound, then draw a card for each lore counter on Mind Unbound.
Mind Unbound Discussion
5 days ago
If you intentionally don't use Primal Surge to the maximum capabilities, you are not min-maxing your deck. Without diving into more technical applications of card advantage, resource cost, opportunity cost, and speed that factor into format defining competitive decks, we can refute your min-max shenanigans with that one little argument alone. You are also spending the maximum amount of mana to get the effect, instead of cheating to cast Primal Surge somehow, which doesn't mean you're getting the minimum either. You're getting a maximum-mediocre, which is a lot different than a minimum-maximum. You haven't even minimized the number of non-permanent spells, because that would be 0 and that's definitely something you could do. facepalm again
Having the opinion that one card wincons are boring doesn't make much difference to how effective they are. Also Coalition Victory is banned because of the ease of Prismatic Omen with a 5 color commander, not because its a one card wincon (which its not, it requires at least 1 creature and 1 land that makes 3 cards, not even counting the cards required to cast the spell in the first place), the other reason being it wins on resolve instead of requiring an upkeep (creates no drama on the board, kaput game is over). A better example of a one-card wincon would be Felidar Sovereign , which is legal, but you do have to get it into play somehow, which would require some amount of cards to get the mana. Even if you do find 1 card win cons boring, you're openly stating you wouldn't run an optimal card to win. Once again, definitely not min-maxing.
Sandwurm Convergence is a bad card dude. It costs 8 mana to give you a creature every turn and negate some attacks. When the format has all kinds of legal 1 and 2 mana cost tutors, and even more 2, 3, and 4 mana cost ways to win, 8 mana for a pillowfort card that doesn't guarantee immunity is not good. Its not even good in a format like standard or modern either, due to the high mana cost. Compare to Bitterblossom .
- Turn 2, you play BB
- Turn 3, you get first token (and 1 every turn after)
- Turn 4, you swing with 1 attacker for 1 damage dealt
- Turn 4, you swing with 2 attackers for 3 damage dealt
- Turn 5, you swing with 3 attackers for 6 damage dealt
- Turn 6, you swing with 4 attackers for 10 damage dealt
- Turn 7, you swing with 5 attackers for 15 damage dealt
- Turn 8, you swing with 6 attackers for 21 damage dealt
By the time you get to play Sandwurm Convergence, Bitterblossom has already dealt 21 damage. Sure, the 5/5 tokens are bigger and nice, but you get them faaaaaaaaar later than you get the BB tokens. This is part of the reason things with lower CMC are so much better. Speed is very important in MTG.
From a pillowfort perspective, Sandwurm Convergence still doesn't make sense. You even run Solitary Confinement but don't understand why that's such a better card than this one. If you play Idyllic Tutor into Solitary Confinement, you've spent 2 less mana and you STILL get a better effect. Even when these two abiliites of token creation and pillowfort are stapled together, the card just isn't worth the CMC.
The same idea goes for Phyrexian Arena and Honden of Seeing Winds . By turn 5 when you could play Honden, you've already drawn 2 cards with Arena. This is also why Dark Confidant is so expensive and is worlds ahead of Phyrexian Arena , even though it will usually cost you even more life. Having also lower CMC means you can also do multiple things. On turn 4, if you draw a Dark Confidant you can play it while also holding a Counterspell . The same is not true for Phyrexian Arena .
But what about multiple draws from multiple Hondens? That requires a greater number of cards from hand/deck and a waaaaay larger investment in mana. For 4 cards and 17 mana, there are all kinds of way better things you can do. I'd rather just play Mind Unbound and save the 3 other slots, even though that is also a bad card.
Counterbalance is a much better option than any of the other counter enchantments you're running. Unfortunately, you have 0 topdeck manipulation, so you're basically just crossing your fingers and hoping it works.
Relying on Sterling Grove or Privileged Position to protect you from Hive Mind is absurd when you run almost no tutors and very mediocre draw. When are you going to have both these out? If just one of them is out, it gets nuked first by removal, then the rest of your board follows suit. Hive Mind is bad the same way Mind's Dilation is bad, don't rely on your opponents to have certain cards in their decks to win for you.
You rely on about 3 different cards to win, none of them are even close to fast, and you have no way to reliably get them to hand or get them from the command zone. Even in battlecruiser casual EDH, most decks win or create a game winning board state by turn 10. Your game plan is topdeck well or lose. You need to get some better win conditions, or you're going to be losing a lot of games against anyone who has been playing longer than six months. I really don't know why you're writing a primer for a casual mish-mash of 99 cards either, you aren't doing much education on your card choices and I can see no reason someone would run this build over another K&T build. You aren't running optimal card choices, from your lands, to your ramp, to your draw, to your win cons, to your removal, to your pillowfort. This list is just another enchantress list stapled to K&T with almost no wincons and with a sub-optimal Primal Surge package stapled on that doesn't even guarantee a win on resolving.
3 months ago
Revolves around seems pretty subjective. I'm more used to esper colors so I can't speak for what might be in red that would be interesting.
Paradox Haze would be an obvious choice. Then being able to copy that effect with Estrid's Invocation and Copy Enchantment would be obvious. Since the deck must incorporate an upkeep-based theme, Mind Unbound , As Foretold . Quest cards like Quest for Ula's Temple end up being resolved pretty quickly too.
As AnchroCity said, Krark's Thumb synergizes with the coinflip at upkeep. This could lead to potentially 3 wins per upkeep in terms of coinflips. In that case Chance Encounter might be pretty neat as a wincon.
Cards like decent into madness ends up having a factorial effect with the multiple upkeeps (1 counter, then 2, then 3, then 4 means 1+2+3+4 = 10 cards exiled on the first turn after its played) if I'm understanding the wording correctly.
This does kill cards with cumulative upkeep costs that aren't in fact benefits like the 3 you've chosen. Thats all I'm willing to think about it for now but it seems like it could be pretty neat.
7 months ago
Einfach mal ein paar Ideen
Ich glaube du brauchst Mana... Solemn Simulacrum immer gut. ich weiß nicht ob die Kreaturen und das auf die Hand geben gut ist vielleicht sind richtige boardwhipes besser und du schützt dich mit günstigeren removal spells Paradox Engine und dein CMDR geben dir die Karten. Propaganda immer gut: Skullclamp
Paradox engine und Consecrated Sphinx kosten glaub ich was...
7 months ago
Nice build! I love how open the Atraxa good-counter-stuff archetype is, with the access to four colours and so many proliferate-able mechanics available.
I'd probably add some additional boardwipe-protection. You have Chasm Skulker and Hangarback Walker has been mentioned. Hooded Hydra is another option, and an inexpensive one at that. Heroic Intervention is an amazing utility card as well, it works in combat, against opponents' removal, and allows you to wipe the board and keep your own guys alive. Reyhan, Last of the Abzan works wonders against singletarget-removal and allows for blowout turns with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord even if you don't have your Altered Ego + Enduring Scalelord combo assembled.
You might also want to think about graveyard-hate of some kind. Unless they see absolutely no play in your meta, graveyardstrats can spiral out of control fast if they are left unchecked. Both Scavenging Ooze and Phyrexian Scriptures are options that are on theme with the proliferate-extravaganza.
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood can help get the first counter on things to start proliferating. Prime Speaker Zegana is a bit mana-intensive and extremely underwhelming on an empty board, but if you reliably manage to have big creatures stick around for a turn, she can be massive. If you're willing to run it, Viral Drake gives you an alternative way to kill people and an additional way to proliferate. Luminarch Ascension draws a lot of hate, but can generate massive amounts of value and thanks to proliferate, you only need to get one counter on there to get the party started. As Foretold is a bit slow, but if it sticks for a bit, it can get pretty insane. With all those synergies, being able to play an additional card per turn can often just win you the game. Akroma's Memorial allows you to swing with your big creatures right away, provides evasion AND protects them from stuff like Anguished Unmaking or all those damagebased red boardwipes.
As for additional superfriends, Vivien Reid works well with creatureheavy strategies, and I really like Vraska, Relic Seeker, just because she is never a dead card. Ajani Unyielding is versatile and inexpensive. Just keep the balance in mind. I gradually built my Atraxa list from full creatures towards full superfriends and there was a stretch of time where none of the two strategies were really working out for me because of the mix. Some walkers can be huge fun in a +1/+1-counter-deck and vice versa, I'd just recommend you stay committed to one of the two as your main strategy.
Potential cuts: As much as I love the counter-synergies, quite a few of the actual proliferate-cards aren't all that great imho. Inexorable Tide just felt like a pretty clunky win-more card most of the times I drew it, and both Spread the Sickness and, to a lesser degree, Steady Progress are pretty overpriced for what they do, especially if your main wincon are massive creatures, where one additional counter often makes little difference. Contagion Clasp and Contagion Engine can also get pretty mana intensive, but they at least provide repeatable value without additional requirements. Revoke Existence feels kinda narrow. If you're running this with a trget in mind, by all means, keep it in, but you might want to keep your eyes open for alternatives like Utter End or Anguished Unmaking that hit more things. I'm not sure you have enough targets to really take advantage of Skullclamp. Mind's Eye felt pretty slow when I was running it, especially because the deck doesn't do tons of instantspeed stuff, so keeping mana open for it gets a bit sketchy. Mind Unbound is only worth running if your playgroup consistently allows it to stick around for a few turns. Otherwise you mmight be better off running something like Sphinx's Revelation or Blue Sun's Zenith. I'm not sure if I'd run three pillowfort options unless you're facing a lot of token strategies. Your deck looks like it should usually have some big blockers available, And if you don't people are usually fine with paying to take down key walkers.
Of course, it all comes down to your local meta, personal preferences/playstyle and (sadly) budget, so disregard anything I said if it doesn't feel right to you. I do hope some of it helps though ^^
Good luck and have fun playing!
8 months ago
Okay so first Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle is pretty slow. Yeah he's a land at first, but you have to cast 5 spells while he's a land (which means you can't enchant him w/ auras).
Kefnet the Mindful isn't great, but I guess he's not outstandingly bad.
Masumaro, First to Live, comparable to Kefnet, is going to be restricted by the number of cards in your hand, and that's a max of 7. While a 14/14 is undeniably huge, it will probably draw hate and be removed very before you can enchant it.
Nezahal, Primal Tide is really just not good. I mean he give you no max hand size and he is recursive, kinda, but I don't think that's powerful enough to justify 7 mana.
Overbeing of Myth is a weaker Masumaro.
Prime Speaker Zegana requires you to have another large creature.
Psychosis Crawler will get you hated out of the game immediately.
Tishana, Voice of Thunder will draw you MAYBE 3 cards when it enters. It's only slightly better than Kefnet.
You have a lot of instants and sorceries. Too many counterspells, when your enchantments could deal with any permanents that get played.
There are a lot of cards at the higher end of your mana curve that are either not worth the mana cost or laughably not worth the mana cost. Also your draw synergies would be better devoted to their own deck (see my take on that idea Oreo Fluff). While this is a unique and interesting take on Estrid, it's slow and requires a steady draw engine to work, which requires a shitload of mana to work, which requires Estrid always being out to work, which requires, in the end, some degree of incompetence on your opponents' part. It's a great deck when left to its own devices all game, but that's just not how commander works.
8 months ago
8 months ago
I could be missing something, but what are your win cons? I just see a lot of card draw but with no hand size interaction. Jace's Erasure can be a fun mill card with all the draw you have set up, you can add in Mind Unbound for more card draw. Sphinx's Tutelage is another great mill card
8 months ago
Replace Well of Ideas with Mind Unbound IMO its the best enchantment draw no one uses plus I don't like giving my opponents any hugs :) This deck seems like it is a mix of voltron with tokens. My play style picks 1 theme and focuses on that so I would suggest making it token based only or voltron auras. If you are going to use walkers use one's that matter like Ugin, Karn, Ajani Unyielding or Steadfast would be good. Teferi would be cool and Tezzeret can fetch for Strionic Resonator. Also, I really dislike Oath of Jace because if you have no walkers out its really a dead card and you only rock 6 currently. But in short, pick a specific theme and focus on having every card help to make that idea come to fruition.
Mind Unbound occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%