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Planar Cleansing Discussion
2 weeks ago
All in all, I like the 'package' you've built here.
I don't feel like cards that only have a single keyword add a significant value to the deck. That means Adorned Pouncer, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Silverblade Paladin, Loyal Unicorn, Odric, Master Tactician, Soltari Champion and Deftblade Elite. Out of those, the most value would come from the two 2-drops for an aggressive curve early game. I would probably add Mirran Crusader and Burnished Hart as well, and Soltari Visionary is also worth some consideration.
Collective Effort and Phyrexian Rebirth are both... pretty mediocre, in my opinion. Maybe swap those for Rout and Planar Cleansing (or maybe Unexpectedly Absent) instead? I also don't think the deck really NEEDS Tithe and could maybe play something along the lines of Mind's Eye or Surveyor's Scope if you really need the early ramp. Oblation should maybe be Crush Contraband, since you're pretty good as far as creature removal goes. I would also highly recommend running Swiftfoot Boots, since Odric radiates both Haste and Hexproof and the former is especially valuable to you, imo.
In your mana base, there's really no excuse NOT to play all of Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge and Ghost Quarter so you can handle something like Gaea's Cradle or Volrath's Stronghold. You might also want to run Scavenger Grounds so you can do something against graveyards. Maybe add Sentinel Totem or Relic of Progenitus to that list for some consistency. You could also possibly run the cycling lands for white for some extra carddraw (at least the cycling desert seems worth it so you can exile graveyards twice?), but at some point you'll hurt your chances of activating Emeria.
IN: Soltari Visionary, Mirran Crusader, Burnished Hart, Rout, Planar Cleansing, Unexpectedly Absent, Mind's Eye, Crush Contraband, Swiftfoot Boots, Sentinel Totem, Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge, Ghost Quarter
OUT: Loyal Unicorn, Soltari Champion, Deftblade Elite, Collective Effort, Phyrexian Rebirth, Tithe, Oblation, Brimaz, King of Oreskos (the tokens don't get the bonuses, so they are kind of not great), Silverblade Paladin, Oblivion Ring (outclassed by other removal in your decklist), 4x Plains
1 month ago
I, on the other hand, had nine mana so I cast Fight with Fire for it's kicked cost. You were on 19 because I'd chipped you once with Dragon Hatchling. You only had one land untapped due to playing cards to destroy my Creatures on your turn (like Walk the Plank).
Now you were on 10. You only had one land untapped. I chipped you with another Dragon Hatchling I had played after the board wipe. You were now on 9 life.
You had to decide how to spend your six mana. There are benefits to drawing a lot of lands. You decided to cast Chromium, the Mutable. You had no Counter spells in hand.
I drew another Fight with Fire, kicked it, and hit you for nine direct damage for lethal.
You also need at least 25 land so you don't get mana screwed. Some people use 26 for Control decks.
It's a fairly pointless exercise to build a deck you think will beat someone else's. That won't win you many FNMs.
You have to build a deck that can work in your local meta.
ANYONE can build a deck designed to beat one other person's.
I will also give you some playtesting tips:
Work out a random way to decide which deck will play first. I use the dice roll simulator on TappedOut. The deck on the left of my screen is always even numbers, and the other one is always odd.
Never make your final assessment of how two decks have fared against each other until you have played at least three games, Sideboarding between each one.
It can be REALLY tricky to work out how to Sideboard a deck you haven't built. Try to see if the brewer has put any tips for how to Sideboard on their Description.
Most brewers are really happy to tell you how they would actually Sideboard against your deck, if you ask them.
As I said earlier, I ALWAYS get my deck to make stupid mistakes when testing. You need to see if your deck can win, even if you screw up.
I am actually trying to help you be a better builder and player.
You have some great ideas, but seem to lack some knowledge of cards that might help you out, and how to build Sideboards.
I used to give deck assistance on TappedOut all the time but I got tired of it and stopped.
(That's why my decks often get a lot of votes. People seem to like the different stuff I try, and the reasons why I do that.)
You are one of the few people I am helping at the moment.
If you don't want me to just say, and I will leave you to it.
1 month ago
Argy is correct. Example to clarify:
If you have a Knight token enchanted with both Eidolon of Countless Battles (via bestow) and Lifelink, and someone casts Murder on the token, both Auras "fall off." Lifelink, being a normal Aura, goes to the graveyard (and Tiana would return it to hand at the end step). The Eidolon, on the other hand, becomes a creature and stays on the battlefield due to the rules specific to bestow.
Similarly, a creature-only sweep like Wrath of God will kill the Knight token, causing both Auras to fall off. Again, Lifelink would go to the graveyard, while Eidolon of Countless Battles would become a creature.
Planar Cleansing, however, isn't creature-only. Since it destroys all nonland permanents, it will destroy both Auras at the same time that it destroys the Knight token (and Tiana). Because the Eidolon is destroyed at the same time as the Knight token, it doesn't have time to fall off and become a creature, so it's destroyed as an Aura. In our example, Tiana sees two Auras (Eidolon and Lifelink) destroyed and the delayed triggered ability is set up to return them both to hand at the beginning of the end step.
So this is why I mentioned that it's situational. If an opponent casts Planar Cleansing, but then Murders the Knight token first, then the Eidolon falls off and becomes a creature before the Planar Cleansing resolves, and thus Tiana, Ship's Caretaker doesn't see it as an Aura.
1 month ago
oliveoilonyaasscureshemorrhoid: That ruling is referring to this:
702.102e If an Aura with bestow is attached to an illegal object or player, it becomes unattached. This is an exception to rule 704.5m.
Ordinarily, when an aura is attached to an illegal object, say because it has protection from the aura or no longer exists on the battlefield, then it is put into the graveyard. Bestow cards instead "revert" to their creature forms. If an Eidolon of Countless Battles were enchanting a creature, and was targeted by a Naturalize, it would be destroyed as normal. When Planar Cleansing resolves, it destroys both cards simultaneously. For comparison, a Wrath of God would not destroy the Eidolon of Countless Battles in this instance, because it would simply become unattached and revert to a creature when the creature it was enchanting is destroyed.
1 month ago
I'm not fantastic at rulings but I may be able to help here.
After Planar Cleansing is cast the Creature with Bestow doesn't become unattached to the Creature it is enchanting. In order for that to happen it would have to still be around, but Planar Cleansing has already destroyed it. It is no longer on the Battlefield as it is in the Graveyard.
Since it was an Aura when it went to the Graveyard Tiana, Ship's Caretaker sees it get put into the Graveyard as an Aura, and it will return to hand at the beginning of the next end step.
1 month ago
@Kogarashi I don't believe Eidolon of Countless Battles goes to the graveyard, because the the gatherer.com rulings says it doesn't go to the graveyard like a normal aura, if it becomes unattached. But if Planar Cleansing doesn't make Eidolon become 'unattached' then I believe you're right. Your thoughts? And would a delayed trigger, like on Tiana, Ship's Caretaker, stop Eidolon from becoming a creature, even though it's state-based? Thanks for answering.
1 month ago
It depends on whether or not your bestow creature is actively an Aura when Planar Cleansing resolves. If it is an Aura attached to another creature when the Cleansing resolves, then Tiana, Ship's Caretaker will see an Aura going to the graveyard and her ability will trigger. If, however, someone casts Murder in response to the Planar Cleansing on the creature that's enchanted by a bestow creature, the bestow creature will "fall off" and become a creature again before the Cleansing destroys it, and thus it won't trigger Tiana.
Surge is a keyword that provides an alternative cost for the spell. It does not get around timing restrictions on the spell, and therefore you would not be able to cast a sorcery on an opponent's turn with surge.
1 month ago
Question 1: Say I have Tiana, Ship's Caretaker on the battlefield, and Eidolon of Countless Battles bestowed on a creature I control, and a player casts Planar Cleansing. Does Eidolon become a creature and stay on the battlefield, or does it come back to my hand because of Tiana's delayed triggered ability?
Question 2: Say I cast an instant spell on an opponent's turn. After the instant resolves, can I cast Crush of Tentacles's surge cost? Or does the surge mechanic not allow a sorcery to change the casting "timezone"?
Thanks in advance!