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Planar Cleansing Discussion
11 hours ago
For the good cards ... I'm not a regular Sydri pilot, but here's a penny for my thoughts on this fun commander. Tamiyo's Journal is a good beater that plops out artifacts/draw. Faerie Artisans / Thoughtcast / Thirst for Knowledge are really good for this deck, Dispatch / Stoic Rebuttal is always good for redundancy. March of the Machines is good in case your commander gets tree'd or stolen . Mechanized Production might be good for Phyrexian Metamorph / Master of Etherium /tokens from Sharding Sphinx / Smothering Tithe etc.
For the weaker cards ... Planar Cleansing could be replaced with Hour of Revelation . Profane Procession Flip/ Predator, Flagship could go because of its overall cost, and it doesn't do anything else over time or when it enters, and it doesn't fit the themes of the deck. Revel in Riches might be good with the amount of board wipes but you'll be targeted for it, it's an upkeep trigger (so people will have time to respond, and with sorceries). Treasure Map Flip is rather weak because it turns into a land so you can't abuse it like an artifact, and is 5 mana to eventually draw 3 or maybe 3+ cards. Treasure Mage does 'draw' and the best big artifact to abuse, but it's overall 9 mana unless you have Master Transmuter or something, and doesn't get any wincon that I can see. Ruthless Knave takes a lot of hoops to get through to draw or ramp, but a lot of my criticisms were at the treasure cards so you keep that theme then drawing more cards for no mana is good. Palladium Myr is not ramp, it's just sadness. Sphinx of the Steel Wind is expensive for a 7 turn clock on turn seven, but it's fun because it could fit your meta and is protected from the colors outside your color pie.
For win cons ... Aetherflux Reservoir / Staff of Nin / Caltrops are all all-star with this commander, and Tezzeret the Seeker could fetch caltrops/aetherflux but non paradox engine etc. If you're interested in a combo win, you could do Sword of the Meek / Thopter Foundry , or Sharuum the Hegemon / Phyrexian Metamorph and something to abuse the etb loop like Altar of the Brood / Genesis Chamber / Contraband Kingpin / Disciple of the Vault / Blood Artist / Marionette Master etc.
2 weeks ago
Here might be some cards that can be helpful:
- Lightning Greaves
- Swiftfoot Boots
- Swords to Plowshares
- Path to Exile
- Dawn of Hope
- Enlightened Tutor
- Return to Dust
- Rebuff the Wicked
- Faith's Reward
- Authority of the Consuls
- Serra Ascendant
- Soul's Attendant
- Lapse of Certainty
- Scout's Warning
- Tragic Arrogance
- Blind Obedience
Cards suggested to cut:
- Ajani's Pridemate
- Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
- Atalya, Samite Master
- Banisher Priest
- Gerrard Capashen
- Martyr of Sands
- Paladin of Atonement
- Sunscorch Regent
- Celestial Convergence
- Celestial Mantle
- Cradle of Vitality
- Nimbus Wings
- Ordeal of Heliod
- Angel's Mercy
- Divine Verdict
- Meditation Puzzle
- Renewed Faith
- Safe Passage
- Planar Cleansing
- Chalice of Life Flip
- Venser's Journal
The reasons the card listed above to cut is one of few reasons either they don't do much, better alternatives, or they don't further your game plan enough to make an impact. By meta I meant, the type of decks you are facing as your meta might be filled with more aggro players than if that's the case you might want to add in a Ghostly Prison for example, or if you are facing a lot of reanimation decks than adding in a Relic of Progenitus or Tormod's Crypt can be fairly helpful. Against control players than you might want to consider a lot Silence/Orim's Chant effects.
Aside from that, some non-budget friendly cards are the obvious Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Teferi's Protection, or Vedalken Orrery. Winding Canyons can also be helpful to flash out Evra or your Felidar Sovereign to sneak in that win.
Hope that helps!
2 months ago
All in all, I like the 'package' you've built here.
I don't feel like cards that only have a single keyword add a significant value to the deck. That means Adorned Pouncer, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Silverblade Paladin, Loyal Unicorn, Odric, Master Tactician, Soltari Champion and Deftblade Elite. Out of those, the most value would come from the two 2-drops for an aggressive curve early game. I would probably add Mirran Crusader and Burnished Hart as well, and Soltari Visionary is also worth some consideration.
Collective Effort and Phyrexian Rebirth are both... pretty mediocre, in my opinion. Maybe swap those for Rout and Planar Cleansing (or maybe Unexpectedly Absent) instead? I also don't think the deck really NEEDS Tithe and could maybe play something along the lines of Mind's Eye or Surveyor's Scope if you really need the early ramp. Oblation should maybe be Crush Contraband, since you're pretty good as far as creature removal goes. I would also highly recommend running Swiftfoot Boots, since Odric radiates both Haste and Hexproof and the former is especially valuable to you, imo.
In your mana base, there's really no excuse NOT to play all of Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge and Ghost Quarter so you can handle something like Gaea's Cradle or Volrath's Stronghold. You might also want to run Scavenger Grounds so you can do something against graveyards. Maybe add Sentinel Totem or Relic of Progenitus to that list for some consistency. You could also possibly run the cycling lands for white for some extra carddraw (at least the cycling desert seems worth it so you can exile graveyards twice?), but at some point you'll hurt your chances of activating Emeria.
IN: Soltari Visionary, Mirran Crusader, Burnished Hart, Rout, Planar Cleansing, Unexpectedly Absent, Mind's Eye, Crush Contraband, Swiftfoot Boots, Sentinel Totem, Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge, Ghost Quarter
OUT: Loyal Unicorn, Soltari Champion, Deftblade Elite, Collective Effort, Phyrexian Rebirth, Tithe, Oblation, Brimaz, King of Oreskos (the tokens don't get the bonuses, so they are kind of not great), Silverblade Paladin, Oblivion Ring (outclassed by other removal in your decklist), 4x Plains
3 months ago
I, on the other hand, had nine mana so I cast Fight with Fire for it's kicked cost. You were on 19 because I'd chipped you once with Dragon Hatchling. You only had one land untapped due to playing cards to destroy my Creatures on your turn (like Walk the Plank).
Now you were on 10. You only had one land untapped. I chipped you with another Dragon Hatchling I had played after the board wipe. You were now on 9 life.
You had to decide how to spend your six mana. There are benefits to drawing a lot of lands. You decided to cast Chromium, the Mutable. You had no Counter spells in hand.
I drew another Fight with Fire, kicked it, and hit you for nine direct damage for lethal.
You also need at least 25 land so you don't get mana screwed. Some people use 26 for Control decks.
It's a fairly pointless exercise to build a deck you think will beat someone else's. That won't win you many FNMs.
You have to build a deck that can work in your local meta.
ANYONE can build a deck designed to beat one other person's.
I will also give you some playtesting tips:
Work out a random way to decide which deck will play first. I use the dice roll simulator on TappedOut. The deck on the left of my screen is always even numbers, and the other one is always odd.
Never make your final assessment of how two decks have fared against each other until you have played at least three games, Sideboarding between each one.
It can be REALLY tricky to work out how to Sideboard a deck you haven't built. Try to see if the brewer has put any tips for how to Sideboard on their Description.
Most brewers are really happy to tell you how they would actually Sideboard against your deck, if you ask them.
As I said earlier, I ALWAYS get my deck to make stupid mistakes when testing. You need to see if your deck can win, even if you screw up.
I am actually trying to help you be a better builder and player.
You have some great ideas, but seem to lack some knowledge of cards that might help you out, and how to build Sideboards.
I used to give deck assistance on TappedOut all the time but I got tired of it and stopped.
(That's why my decks often get a lot of votes. People seem to like the different stuff I try, and the reasons why I do that.)
You are one of the few people I am helping at the moment.
If you don't want me to just say, and I will leave you to it.
3 months ago
Argy is correct. Example to clarify:
If you have a Knight token enchanted with both Eidolon of Countless Battles (via bestow) and Lifelink, and someone casts Murder on the token, both Auras "fall off." Lifelink, being a normal Aura, goes to the graveyard (and Tiana would return it to hand at the end step). The Eidolon, on the other hand, becomes a creature and stays on the battlefield due to the rules specific to bestow.
Similarly, a creature-only sweep like Wrath of God will kill the Knight token, causing both Auras to fall off. Again, Lifelink would go to the graveyard, while Eidolon of Countless Battles would become a creature.
Planar Cleansing, however, isn't creature-only. Since it destroys all nonland permanents, it will destroy both Auras at the same time that it destroys the Knight token (and Tiana). Because the Eidolon is destroyed at the same time as the Knight token, it doesn't have time to fall off and become a creature, so it's destroyed as an Aura. In our example, Tiana sees two Auras (Eidolon and Lifelink) destroyed and the delayed triggered ability is set up to return them both to hand at the beginning of the end step.
So this is why I mentioned that it's situational. If an opponent casts Planar Cleansing, but then Murders the Knight token first, then the Eidolon falls off and becomes a creature before the Planar Cleansing resolves, and thus Tiana, Ship's Caretaker doesn't see it as an Aura.
3 months ago
oliveoilonyaasscureshemorrhoid: That ruling is referring to this:
702.102e If an Aura with bestow is attached to an illegal object or player, it becomes unattached. This is an exception to rule 704.5m.
Ordinarily, when an aura is attached to an illegal object, say because it has protection from the aura or no longer exists on the battlefield, then it is put into the graveyard. Bestow cards instead "revert" to their creature forms. If an Eidolon of Countless Battles were enchanting a creature, and was targeted by a Naturalize, it would be destroyed as normal. When Planar Cleansing resolves, it destroys both cards simultaneously. For comparison, a Wrath of God would not destroy the Eidolon of Countless Battles in this instance, because it would simply become unattached and revert to a creature when the creature it was enchanting is destroyed.
3 months ago
I'm not fantastic at rulings but I may be able to help here.
After Planar Cleansing is cast the Creature with Bestow doesn't become unattached to the Creature it is enchanting. In order for that to happen it would have to still be around, but Planar Cleansing has already destroyed it. It is no longer on the Battlefield as it is in the Graveyard.
Since it was an Aura when it went to the Graveyard Tiana, Ship's Caretaker sees it get put into the Graveyard as an Aura, and it will return to hand at the beginning of the next end step.
3 months ago
@Kogarashi I don't believe Eidolon of Countless Battles goes to the graveyard, because the the gatherer.com rulings says it doesn't go to the graveyard like a normal aura, if it becomes unattached. But if Planar Cleansing doesn't make Eidolon become 'unattached' then I believe you're right. Your thoughts? And would a delayed trigger, like on Tiana, Ship's Caretaker, stop Eidolon from becoming a creature, even though it's state-based? Thanks for answering.