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|Conspiracy: Take the Crown||Common|
|Oath of the Gatewatch||Common|
|Dragons of Tarkir||Common|
|2012 Core Set||Common|
|2011 Core Set||Common|
|Duels of the Planeswalkers||Common|
|2010 Core Set||Common|
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4 hours ago
First we need to look at purpose. I feel like we need to take each type of card (land, instant, sorcery, creature, planeswalker, enchantment, artifact).Land:- What mana does it produce- Does it enter tapped-- Is there a condition that can stop it from being tapped-- Does entering tapped provide an added bonus- Does it give a creature boost- Does it have any other external ability
Instants will always triumph over sorceries, but for the sake of it we're gonna include them togetherInstant & Sorcery:- Does it provide an adequate effect-- Is this effect better than other cards with similar effects-- Is this effect versatile- Does the mana cost (if an instant) allow for you to still play things on your turn- Is there an instant with the same ability (if sorcery)-- (chances are if there is an instant with the same ability it will cost an extra mana, or another negative effect)- Is the effect versatile-- Does the card offer multiple options--- Is the mana cost higher than cards with 1 option--- How many options can be selected-- Is the spell immune to counters-- what variety of cards can the spell target
Creatures, Artifacts, Enchantments:- Does it have high power and/or toughness- Is its ability good-- Is it better than other creatures/artifacts with the same ability-- Can the ability be found cheaper in an instant or a sorcery-- Can the ability be made with a good combo- Does the creature require other creatures to be considered effective (allies, melding cards etc.)- Does the creature have reach (this is big for green decks)
Planeswalker:- Is its ultimate ability really worth taking up an entire slot in your deck for?-- If not, is the other 2 abilities enough to make up for it-- If so, can it be supported by the rest of your deck, or by itself until it reaches this ability- Is the mana cost possible with the cards you have in your deck-- Is your deck centered around 1-3 mana creatures with a 6 mana PW--- Can you reach the mana cost before being wiped out-- Is your deck centered around 4-6 mana creatures with a 3 mana PW--- Can it defend itself before you get creatures out
Mana costs are one to be debated. Generally, lets take counterspells for instance, the order for good effect and mana cost goes as such- 3 generic (no counterspells like this) - many restrictions - 2 generic 1 blue (Disrupting Shoal) - some restrictions or alternate negative effects- 1 generic 2 blue (Forbid) - minimal negative effects or restrictions- 3 blue (no counterspells like this) - no restriction, possible good effect such as splice- 1 generic 1 blue 1 black (Psychic Strike) - no restriction, good extra effect- 2 blue 1 white (Render Silent) - no restriction, super awesome ability
and thats just the 3 mana ones, if we look at two mana counterspells (I wont include Counterspell because its illegal in modern) It is very similar- 2 generic (once again none of such) - high restrictions, negative effect- 1 generic 1 blue (Negate) - some restrictions- 2 blue (Deprive) - chances are there wont be restrictions, but if there isn't then there will be a negative effect, Counterspell was banned because it abuses this order- 1 blue 1 green ([consume magic]) - this card was the only example i could find (i dont think its real), but it allows a slightly good effect of countering abilities, at the cost of countering creatures planeswalkers and artifacts
then theres the classic 0 mana cards. 0 mana cards are a matter of necessity, do i really need Bone Saw, how well does it synergise with my deck, is it necessary for my combo. Do i really need Pact of Negation, is it absolutely essential to counter that spell, or will I win this turn.
5 hours ago
10 hours ago
I recommend splashing blue. Standard is really controlling right now, so you should be running some counter removal/counters.Disallow, Dispel, Metallic Rebuke, Negate, Void Shatter. I'd also recommend running some removal of your own, like the all powerful standard allstar Harnessed Lightning.
11 hours ago
Here are some cards that I might immediately cut:
Academy Elite, Aeon Chronicler, Bloodbraid Elf, Bogardan Hellkite, Breaker of Armies, Dragon Mage, Flameblast Dragon, Hamletback Goliath, Hermit of the Natterknolls Flip, Horizon Chimera, Hypersonic Dragon, Inkwell Leviathan, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Keranos, God of Storms, Kruphix, God of Horizons, Lorescale Coatl, Magus of the Future, Melek, Izzet Paragon, Memnarch, Mindwrack Liege, Murkfiend Liege, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, Nylea, God of the Hunt, Psychosis Crawler, Purphoros, God of the Forge, Quicksilver Gargantuan, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Scute Mob, Servant of the Conduit, Shipbreaker Kraken, Simic Sky Swallower, Somberwald Stag, Spellbreaker Behemoth, Spellheart Chimera, Surrak Dragonclaw, Talrand, Sky Summoner, Thassa, God of the Sea, Thromok the Insatiable, Tireless Tracker, Verdant Force, Vexing Shusher, Wall of Blossoms, Whisperwood Elemental, Wistful Selkie, Xenagos, God of Revels, Clan Defiance, Crater's Claws, Devastation Tide, Minds Aglow, Mizzix's Mastery, Reforge the Soul, Release the Gremlins, Seismic Stomp, Shamanic Revelation, Sylvan Scrying, Traverse the Ulvenwald, Unexpected Results, Urban Evolution, Volcanic Vision, Wheel of Fate, Arcane Denial, Clip Wings, Counterflux, Counterspell, Cyclonic Rift, Desertion, Disallow, Disdainful Stroke, Evacuation, Heroic Intervention, Insidious Will, Krosan Grip, Naturalize, Negate, Plasm Capture, Sulfurous Blast, Trap Essence, Turn Aside, Unsubstantiate, Visions of Beyond, Void Shatter, Voidslime, and TBH there are simply too many things to cut to list them all because my fingers are getting tired. I'd cut most of your planeswalkers, most of your non-ramp artifacts, and most of your enchantments.
My primary piece of advice here is that 1) You really should choose to prioritize abusing creatures OR spells, not both, because there are simply too few slots, and 2) you want your spells/creatures to do things in multiples. You don't need too much draw here because your mana is tied up doubling splashy spells, but you need a heck of a lot of mana ramp to keep up.
I don't mean to sound curt, sorry :( Hope this was at least a bit helpful! I agree with Lilbrudder that it's simply too many cards to reasonably cut down, and that you should take a little time and find a focus for the deck.
12 hours ago
I queued up the current list at my LGS and went 3-1-0 getting one draw because of Slowplay on opponents half.
Sram's Expertise is so good. I can't stress enough how much. And watching the face your opponents make as you drop a Visions or a tower with 3 blockers is hilarious. Definitely gonna keep trying it.
Dynavolt Tower count upped to 4 because obvious reasons.
2-1 vs Vampire Aggro. Removals and fogs were enough to slide me to an easy victory. 2nd game i didnt draw any tower, glimmer or visions and eventually ran out of fogs and died.3rd my opponent was stuck on black mana.
2-0 vs Aggro. Jund version with Snakes, Rishkar, Gearhulks etc, similar to some pro-players list. Ballistas were main problem. Heart of Kiran got removed with Harnessed Lightning or Negate. Everything else died to fumigate.
1-1 vs Aggro burn. First match he burned me down with me getting him to 2 and he topdecking shock. 2nd game I countered most of his things and he eventually died to towers. 3rd was timed out.
Still going strong! Any suggestions?
13 hours ago
Welcome on T/O!
After looking at your list I came up with these budget suggestions you should really consider:
If you would like to see other EDH decks, you can always check the ones I play which are present on my profile page. I like to play with this deck the most of the time. An upvote is always appreciated :)
Have fun on T/O and if you ever need EDH advise, you can always summon me. Glad to help out.
18 hours ago
2 days ago
Brain in a Jar to instant speed your Rise from the Tides? How about .. . shoot Torrential Gearhulk is still expensive. Temporal Trespass, maybe? Also, remember: Negate is great. It's true because it rhymes.