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Zendikar Resurgent Discussion
1 hour ago
Oops forgot rev is limited to 2 power... Alright so we don't want to abuse the grave but we want to get a ton of stuff out and smash. I can work with that.
Rishkar's Expertise, Baral's Expertise- These are really good for getting ahead and staying ahead. The other 3 expertises might be good but have far fewer targets for cheating out. Yahenni's Expertise would probably be the only other one I would play since your stuff mostly lives.
Dread- Why not punish people for hurting you?
Door of Destinies, Call to the Kindred, Mirror Entity, Urza's Incubator, Cryptic Gateway, or even any of the rest of these EDH Tribal Staples. Hopefully that is more helpful. Don't forget to go through the commander 2017 stuff I'm sure there will be some gems in it.
9 hours ago
Can't really help that much here. I'm currently planning on some casual budget elfball that uses a combination of Abundance and Zendikar Resurgent to go nuts. Also, Elvish Promenade is pretty powerful.
23 hours ago
woluc Sure! 1 Phantom Nishoba - for Felidar Sovereign (High cost for what it did, liked the separate win condition of Felidar, plus other good effects) 1 Oreskos Explorer -for Adorned Pouncer (Already a good amount of ramp, dont care for it too much)1 Temur Sabertooth -for Regal Caracal (Regal Caracal duh. :P )1 Rout -for Steelshaper's Gift 1 Nissa's Pilgrimage -for Enlightened Tutor (Enlightened tutor to hunt down sylvan library or descendants' path, both amazing enchantments)1 Condemn -for Swords to Plowshares (Pure upgrade, if not budget go with Path to Exile)1 Dreamstone Hedron -for Scythe of the Wretched (Hedron Archive does close to the same for cheaper, Scythe of the Wretched has an effect I like, but feel free to pick any equipment you like, if not budget, maybe one of the swords?)1 Curse of Vitality -for Descendants' Path (Curse of Vitality-hell no. Descendants' path with only 1 creature type is great. If top card is any creature in your deck- its free)1 Taj-Nar Swordsmith -for Leonin Abunas (I already add more ways to find equipment, so instead why not give my equipment hex proof :/)1 Zendikar Resurgent -for Sylvan Library (Zendikar Resurgent if more expensive than Mirari's Wake for close to the same effect, would rather have Sylvan Library for draw, and when combine with Abundance it allows you to draw 3 without paying life.) If I missed any, let me know, also I'm not done yet, I may make some more changes (Thinking of dropping Skull Clamp for Whispersilk Cloak or Godsend)
1 day ago
Here are a few other ideas:
1 day ago
Just having a look at this now, Duggan.Got a fair few allies, but sadly not all of them!
Looks like you may be a couple dollars over budget too, so might have to make a replacement somewhere
Initial thoughts are lose the non-ally ramp creatures Avacyn's Pilgrim, Elves of Deep Shadow, Alloy Myr and to a lesser extent Joiner Adept (since her ability is quite special) and replace them with mana rocks, as artifacts can survive a board wipe much better.
You're probably also going to want to put in some more removal. Board wipes are tricky in heavily creature based decks, as you damage yourself as much as anyone else, but In Garruk's Wake or Plague Wind can provide the solutions you need. Another good wipe for you is Aligned Hedron Network, since most of your guys will be under 5 power.
Zendikar Resurgent might be a good shout for card draw and mana efficiency. Since you'll be playing regular creatures it's a reliable source of draw... although I haven't checked the price... even so you may not even want to put it in as there are probably more pressing options ahead of it.
Cheap removal like Angelic Purge or Journey to Nowhere might be good and perhaps even Oblivion Ring. You could really go with anything cheap, but a good guideline is usually 7-10 removal options (not including board wipes), however I see lots of your creatures can serve as forms of removal themselves, so you may not need to cut that much stuff?
The tricky part is knowing what to axe from the list, so I'll just see if I can short-list what I would consider to be the most redundant, or least efficient cards:
Felidar Guardian - More or less a one time effect unless you can reliably flicker him over and over again and for 4 mana you have better stuff to do.
Coralhelm Guide - The activated ability is quite costly, and usually in a smaller creatures deck you tend to be swinging wide rather than tall. Unblockability is attractive, but is it worth not including more removal for?
Tajuru Beastmaster - It's a good ability to be sure, but you need to be playing in lost and lots of allies pre-combat to make it worth it, and there are strictly better versions already in the deck. If you have to make a cut, perhaps this guy?
Prismatic Geoscope - Reads very well, but even in a 3 color deck, it's hard to tease those basics out of the deck. You might end up paying for a 5 mana slow rock that only taps for 2 or 3, in which case Market Festival becomes a slightly better option. Generally speaking by the time you've manged to get one of each basic out, you'll already have more than enough mana.
Allied Reinforcements adds up in terms of mana efficiency, but that's all it does. If it cast at instant speed it would make a nice combat trick or instant rally trigger, but as a sorcery it's a little lackluster. One pop of two extra allies is nice, but I'd priorities some removal ahead of this, especially considering the volume of creatures you already have. I'd argue the same point to a lesser extent for Unified Front, but four simultaneous rally triggers, is nothing to sniff at on the other hand.
Also you can definitely afford to cut a couple of lands. 37 is usually what I would consider a max amount, but with your curve topping out at 6 mana cost (low for EDH) you could probably afford to go down to 35 if you needed to.
Stoneforge Masterwork a good card for this, if you end up having room, maybe not though?
That's about all my thoughts on this for now. The main thing is probably just more removal though. Other than that the prospect of all those stacking rally triggers looks really scary and intense! Nice job! =)
2 days ago
@Murphy77 I know what it does, I just feel Sacred Cat just doesn't do it for this deck in particular. It's only semi-focused on making 1/1 tokens to help stay in the game (it being more conservative, name might be a little inaccurate. Whoops?) Yours for example, being entirely based on the concept is built to benefit more from it. This is somewhat all-rounded and beatdown-focused, with buffs to amplify damage (especially with Adorned Pouncer) to win early, and a token-engine to pull through mid-late rather than to try flooding the board immediately.
Having a Metallic Mimic/Regal Caracal for any amount of time on the field is as you imply, up to chance. I've chosen to go with Lifecrafter's Bestiary over, say, another 2 Anointed Processions. It keeps the decks engine going somewhat similarly to what Zendikar Resurgent would do for yours. It's not a card that makes many tokens, but it potentially helps me draw what I need to make them, while tiring out my opponent.
Cheers for the comments, tho. I'll toss in a few thoughts on your deck too
3 days ago
Been a while since I commented. I'll try to respond primarily to those points that others haven't already addressed.
Thought-Knot Seer is expensive to cast and doesn't really perform a vital function in this deck, given that its abilities don't have a high impact.
Stax is a challenge. This deck does have the means to outpace some stax decks by ramping extremely aggressively, but sacrifice engines in particular are effective at keeping utility creatures from having a great deal of impact. I haven't played in several years (apart from the casual 60-card game here or there), so I'm not really qualified anymore to assess how this deck competes with more modern Tier 1-Tier 2 stax decks.
This deck would rather not play Zendikar Resurgent or Mana Reflection because they need to be hard cast and are more difficult to find. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger would be a stronger choice in that respect (because it's Tooth and Nailable), but even then it hasn't made the cut. I leave that to players' discretion, though. Some people may find that the redundancy is important in their meta.
As a combo deck, this deck can normally outpace most noncombo aggro decks. Certain commander damage decks can pose a threat if unanswered. And don't forget that you can chump block with utility creatures if you have to. Surviving in a difficult position is preferable to being out of the game entirely.
I do feel that way about Consecrated Sphinx from time to time. Unfortunately, having not played in a true competitive multiplayer environment in a long time, I can't say with certainty whether it needs to be replaced. The mana cost is the biggest downside, but it's a powerful backup draw engine that's much less risky than Damia herself.
Stroke of Genius is serviceable, and there are ways to recur cards from the graveyard just as there are ways to get them back from the library. I use Blue Sun's Zenith because mana is not an issue by the combo turn and the win con is safer (from hate effects) in the library than in the yard.
Timetwister is an interesting choice, and certainly something that becomes more potent as this deck becomes faster. I would test it.
Arbor Elf ramps, but Crop Rotation does not. I'm not sure if they're comparable in terms of slot consumption. In some metas, the land tutor may be more important because there may be a greater dependence on cards like Boseiju, Who Shelters All.
I don't recommend playing Demonic Consultation unless you're playing Laboratory Maniac, and I don't really think this deck wants to play either (although it could be built in such a way that they're more viable). Demonic Consultation presents the issue of exiling potentially necessary win conditions in order to find a combo piece, and it's never really completely safe to use. Similarly, Tainted Pact isn't in the deck (and is actually covered in the "Omissions" section). I don't think there are many cases where I'd so desperately need a single card that I could risk potentially exiling every other card for it.
It's true that Crucible of Worlds is a good card, but every card in this deck is a good card. Crucible of Worlds doesn't really provide necessary functionality to this deck, though, so I wouldn't call it one of the best cards and similarly wouldn't be able to justify increasing its redundancy at the expense of some other functionality.
Lots of feedback there. I'll try to respond to as much as I have space for.
Rising Waters is an issue because this deck really wants to maximize its mana availability.
Future Sight was in a much earlier version of the deck, but was cut because the cost outweighed the value. Some people may prefer to run it, but I don't.
Pendrell Mists is a good stax card, but this isn't a stax deck. I'd rather keep my utility creatures at the risk of letting other people keep theirs.
Autumn's Veil has some potential. I've never really experimented with it in the 99, though.
Night's Whisper is not as preferable as a draw engine, in my opinion.
Notion Thief could be good in some cases, and I haven't actually tested it in the deck, but there weren't very many times where I think I would have (and would prefer to spend) the mana on it given its inconsistency from game to game.
Brainstorm was in an earlier version of the deck, and it could still justifiably be run given all of the fetch lands, but I prefer to spend the slot on other cards.
Baleful Strix doesn't really do enough to justify spending the mana.
Trinket Mage is a more expensive and more limited tutor than those already in the deck.
Arcane Denial is in the deck because it's a hard counter for , which I'll gladly take in the final turn.
Three Visits and Nature's Lore are important ramp cards and cannot be cut. Skyshroud Claim could potentially be cut on a cost basis, but it's very powerful and pays for half of its own cost on resolution.
Mindslaver is not something this deck needs. I don't really want to spend to control someone's turn if I could spend much less to get myself closer to actually winning. It's not good without a recursion combo or when facing multiple opponents.
Academy Ruins could be played, but I don't really need to recur any of the artifacts in this deck as much as I need access to on-color mana.
Omniscience is not necessary. My primary win con is an spell, which doesn't benefit at all from Omniscience and does benefit from an infinite mana combo (the latter of which enables just as many other cards as the former).
5 days ago
Interesting idea to have Villainous Wealth as you commander!
It seems to me that the ideal plan here is to cast Villainous Wealth as many times as possible with the greatest X possible? I am unsure whether your play group allows infinite combos? If not you could still push this more towards a big mana deck quite effectively. I see you already have High Tide towards this goal.
Some ideas that immediately spring to mind: Mana Reflection, Zendikar Resurgent, Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter , Palinchron, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Doubling Cube, Kruphix, God of Horizons, Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth .
Hope these are somewhat interesting - there are plenty more options available for creating obscene amounts of mana! Good luck.