Lathliss, Dragon Queen

Lathliss, Dragon Queen

Legendary Creature — Dragon

Flying

Whenever another nontoken Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, create a 5/5 red Dragon creature token with flying.

: Dragons you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.

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Jumpstart (JMP) Rare
Game Night 2019 (GN2) Rare
Core Set 2019 (M19) Rare

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Format Legality
Pioneer Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Modern Legal
Custom Legal
Legacy Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Unformat Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Arena Legal
Historic Legal
2019-10-04 Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Vintage Legal
Limited Legal
Highlander Legal
Leviathan Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal

Lathliss, Dragon Queen Discussion

slashdotdash on Golos attempt II

2 weeks ago

Hey there Kronhamilton,

First of all, I like the improvements you’ve made to your deck. It’s already looking a lot slicker and I can see you’ve made some very fun looking changes to how the deck plays.

You’ve got a nice array of threats (I always love to see the Bringers and Ur-Dragon) and a decent amount of ramp which are both a big plus. Additionally, you’ve got the beginnings of some nasty graveyard synergy shaping up, which looks really, really cool as a sort of plan B.

That being said, I’d like to make a few suggestions to help guide you toward a more consistent and powerful Golos deck. Please remember that these suggestions are just my informed opinion, and that I totally respect whatever deck choices you decide to make. I really just want to help you get comfortable with deck building and learning what to look for in a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ card.

Broad Suggestions

I would encourage you to add 2 Lands, 3 Removal cards, and 8 Draw cards. I’d also think about adding 2 more Ramp cards, but that is less critical to the overall health of the deck. Your Threats look great and I think your Sweepers are also appropriate. Anything that synergizes with your graveyard backup plan is great.

There are a couple of things to think about as you play this deck; 1. “Am I happy or sad to be holding this card in my hand or drawing it off the top of my deck?” – If a card seems to constantly be ‘the wrong card’ for the situation, or you can never seem to cast it, or you always play other cards instead, or you tend to die while holding a certain card, then you probably want to think about how well that card fits in your deck and whether or not you should cut it or modify the deck to support it. 2. “What ongoing advantage does this card give me?” – Some cards seem like a decent card based on having decent power/toughness, a fair cost, and some neat keywords or abilities. Just having those upsides alone though doesn’t make a card truly powerful. Instead, try to think about what ways a card can synergize with your deck to create crazy effects or otherwise how it will become more dangerous as the game progresses (like a Quartzwood Crasher, Scute Swarm, or Giant Adephage). Additionally, try to find cards that do multiple things such as Chasm Skulker which gets bigger when you draw cards and also explodes into tokens when it dies, or even Ravenous Chupacabra which deals with a threat and also acts as a blocker when you are facing pressure. The key is finding a way to levarage the most amount of value in each individual card – even a 2 mana ramp spell will set you up to play all of your future spells 1 turn earlier than normal for the rest of the game, which can be an insane advantage when you think about it. 3. “Am I out of options?” – If you can’t seem to find a solution to a problem or you’re ‘running out of steam’, then it is likely that you need more card draw and more ways to create ‘engines’ that accrue value. An example of an engine would be Fertilid + Evolution Sage or Rampaging Baloths + Elemental Bond or Kruphix, God of Horizons + Victory Chimes or Atraxa, Praetors' Voice + Ajani, the Greathearted or Anointed Procession + Endless Ranks of the Dead or Search for Azcanta  Flip or Deadbridge Chant or Mind Unbound, etc.

Ramp

Your ramp looks pretty good with 10 dedicated Ramp cards. I’d suggest adding 2 more Ramp spells to really help speed things up early. Examples would be Kodama's Reach, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth, Farseek, Rampant Growth, Springbloom Druid, etc.

Ramp - 10

Not Ramp

Draw

Overall, I think your card draw package needs a little bit of love. I want to note I see a lot of ‘looting’ effects like the ones on Teferi, Master of Time or Obsessive Stitcher and while these cards are great for a graveyard strategy they still don’t count as card draw. I’d keep most of these ‘looting’ type cards, but try to find cards that get you about 2 or 3 cards such as Harmonize, Concentrate, Escape to the Wilds, Urban Evolution, Moldervine Reclamation, Deathreap Ritual, Recurring Insight, Mind Unbound, Underworld Connections, Cloudblazer, Mulldrifter, Drawn from Dreams, Return of the Wildspeaker, Harvester of Souls, Momentous Fall, Dream Trawler, Keeper of Fables etc.

Draw - 2

Not Draw

  • Barrin, Tolarian Archmage – drawing 1 card does not really count. If anything, Barrin is like slow, bad removal for dealing with your opponents’ stuff temporarily. If you’re interested in reusing Golos’s land finding ability I would recommend playing Soulherder instead.

  • Solemn Simulacrum – He has sort of ‘incidental value’ with his death trigger but doesn’t actively net you a bunch of cards like Keruga, the Macrosage or Beast Whisperer. Sad Robot is still great though.

  • Titanoth Rex – still keep this guy because he is a threat that isn’t dead in your hand on turn 5.

  • Void Beckoner – same story as the Rex

  • Teferi, Master of Time – Teferi’s great, but he is really at his best when you’ve got 4-7 card in hand so that you can throw a bunch of big threats to the graveyard and hopefully draw a reanimation spell. Other than that, Teferi isn’t going to refill your hand so he doesn’t count as true draw.

Removal

Your removal package looks like it needs a couple more additions to keep your deck responsive and able to handle imminent-doom type threats. It is worth noting that cards like Blatant Thievery or Mythos of Illuna can save you in certain situations, but be wary of their crazy mana costs and the fact that they are not instant-speed answers. Examples include Mythos of Nethroi, Beast Within, Price of Fame, Reality Shift, Terminate, Return to Nature, Putrefy, Utter End, Eat to Extinction, Murderous Rider, etc.

Removal – 4 (aim for 7)

Cuts

There are several cards that I would consider cutting first when modifying the deck.

  • Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast - he relies very heavily on luck and only interacts with creatures. This makes him good with only 30% of your deck. Additionally, Lukka can’t ‘protect’ himself like Garruk can (making tokens to block for him), nor does he have an immediately accessible removal ability like Teferi. Overall, Lukka is interesting but a little lacking in consistency, defensibility, and power.

Azusa, Lost but Seeking – you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability. Yes, you can use the double lands (like Gruul Turf) to bounce a land to hand and then play that land with Asuza, but realistically that’s such a narrow and relatively tame synergy (in this non-landfall deck, that is) that you would be better off playing a Farseek or a Rampant Growth or even a Fertile Ground.

  • Sparkhunter Masticore - This little fellow has a major drawback and no seriously crazy abilities that make him worthwhile. Yes he can deal with planeswalkers, but so can a Murderous Rider or an Eat to Extinction. Yes he can be an indestructible 3/4, but you have to pay 3 mana just to make him indestructible. Under normal circumstances that’s 6 mana for a 3/4 that dodges death one time - a 3/4 just isn’t fantastic. The biggest bad news about this robocat is its “additional cost to cast” ability which means that even if you hit it with Golos’s ‘Rainbow Wheel of Death’ ability, you still have to discard a card for a 3/4. I just honestly think you’d rather have a removal spell (Beast Within, Mythos of Nethroi) instead of this cat any day.

  • Pursued Whale - While this whale is kinda cool and he does force combat, he is just sorta expensive for what he does. 7 mana for an 8/8 is pretty standard and giving your opponents tokens (that they could just attack you with or sacrifice to an effect) can be a bad idea in some situations, such as when they have an Beastmaster Ascension or a similar effect on the field. While his semi-hexproof ability (3 more mana to target) seems nifty, that is one of the only really powerful highlight abilities of this card, meaning that ability is protecting a relatively low-powered card. A couple immediate alternatives come to mind for me; Geode Rager to force combat AND keep you safe, and Dream Trawler for a flying, hexproof, lifelinking, card drawing threat.

  • Renata, Called to the Hunt - She just isn’t fantastic. You aren’t playing a devotion centric deck in which she might become a 10/10, and your strategy doesn’t really care about 1/1 counters either. I would consider replacing her with a Harmonize or another 3 or 4 drop with more impactful abilities. Heck, even another reanimation spell could be nice like Unburial Rites or Grave Upheaval since your deck seems to have some tendency to but things in the graveyard for later.

  • Lorescale Coatl - Cards like this (or his bigger cousin Chasm Skulker) are really designed for “wheel decks” that play “wheel effects” like Windfall or Reforge the Soul. He is fine, but really not much better than that. If you want a threat that can grow faster and do more important things, try Managorger Hydra or even Scute Mob.

  • Colossification - This aura is too expensive, taps your creature down, and worst of all is an aura. Auras are generally quite bad because your opponent can destroy your creature and the aura attached to them with one spell – and odds are they’ll do that because it is usually too juicy not to. The fact that you can’t attach Colossification and attack immediately means that your opponents will have a full turn to deal with it before you get a chance to use it (and keep in mind your Colossified creature needs to survive 3 opponents’ turns!). This means you’ll most likely run out of cards in a hurry without accomplishing anything.

  • Door to Nothingness - Unlike Progenitus, you can’t reanimate the Door, nor can you get its full value off of the Rainbow Wheel of Death. The only time this card does anything at all is when you literally have 10 mana of the exact color combination necessary to use it. It’s still your call, and I know some people make it a goal to Door their opponents, but be warned: you probably don’t have as much ramp as you need to make this work well. I’d consider supporting this crazy cards (and your many expensive threats for that matter) with a few more ramp spells – Boundless Realms, Migration Path, Circuitous Route, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, Zendikar Resurgent

  • Azor's Gateway  Flip – This card belongs in a very specific variant of Golos. That variant is the Minamo, School at Water's Edge Golos deck which also runs stuff like Vizier of Tumbling Sands, Fatestitcher, Kiora's Follower, and other payoffs like Jegantha, the Wellspring, or Captain Sisay. Especially considering that Sanctum of the Sun (the flip side) adds X mana of only 1 color, I think this card is just rarely going to work like you want it to unfortunately.

  • Lathliss, Dragon Queen - Basically, you only have 3 other dragons in the deck so I would either exchange a bunch of cards for more dragons or cut Lathliss, since she will rarely be able to use her best ability (5/5 tokens). Keep in mind, you could also run a bunch of cards with the ‘changeling’ keyword if you wanted to get really funky, in which case you may as well also play stuff like Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, Reaper King, Crested Sunmare, The First Sliver but that’s a very slippery and insane slope that I’m not sure you want to get sucked into.

Summary

Nice changes Kronhamilton, I can see that your deck is really starting to shape up as a rampy graveyard-mingling Golos deck, and that’s really cool. I encourage you to try and pay attention to what situations you find yourself in, as that’s often the best way to tell what cards you need to cut or add to the deck for it to work best. As a default, I’d consider making a few of the changes I mentioned in the Broad Suggestion section, as those changes should just generally help with your deck’s consistency.

Please do let me know how you decide to tune your deck – it’s really fun to watch honestly, and I’m always down to help advise you. Other than that, take care and enjoy Golos!

Best,

-Slashdotdash

The_Stomping_Grounds on Lathliss Dragon Queen Media Promo?

1 month ago

I was putting together my Lathliss, Dragon Queen deck, and it seems the media promo for Lathliss is not in the database. I used the code (000), and it tells me the card does not exist. Am I just doing something wrong, or is it truely not there?

X-Factor11105 on Dragon Jesus (Bladewing the Risen EDH)

1 month ago

Hi bomb_arie! Good thought on Bladewing's Thrall! It's definitely a strong payoff, though there's a few reasons why I've omitted it (and, to a lesser extent, the similarly-styled Boneyard Scourge):

Synergy: Thrall doesn't trigger Dragon Tempest, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, or Scourge of Valkas since its a Zombie, while Terror of the Peaks works alongside everything. Since our commander needs a long time before it comes down, the early and mid-game plays have to be consistent and impactful, and a 3/3 flier, while helpful, can be out-classed. Speaking of early and mid-game...

Impact: Thrall can't ramp like the dorks, sad robot, and Dockside Extortionist, it doesn't further the strategy like Chainer, Nightmare Adept, Goblin Engineer, or Merchant of the Vale, and isn't a game-winning combo piece like Dualcaster Mage. Without providing additional benefit to the deck, its hard to justify adding it in - the strategy is already convoluted (ramp! draw! discard! reanimate! combo!), anything that doesn't facilitate one of those aspects is going to be hard-pressed to have a slot.

If there's a card in the list you'd want to discuss swapping out in favor of Thrall, I'd love to chat it out :)

thenewlollipopjam on Reaper King changeling tribal!

2 months ago

So, I don't know if you've had time to update this list of late, but I would like to make some suggestions, and maybe what to cut for them. An old add that I was disappointed not to see was Manaweft Sliver as its redundancy, and maybe Homing Sliver since you're running a decent amount of the Sliver lords. Speaking of, I would play Cloudshredder Sliver over Bonescythe. Two keywords, one being evasion, is better to me over double strike. Lathliss, Dragon Queen over Utvara Hellkite, as it costs two cmc less and does something similar. I'm also going to run Najeela, the Blade-Blossom and Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow.

SueMe on Everything Tribal

3 months ago

Thanks for the suggestions, DeinoStinkus!

Lord of Atlantis is an interesting one. When I think about it, I'd be hard pressed to have a game when there wasn't an island around somewhere. Might be good to be able to swing at one person for free, and possibly lethal. What makes me hesitate is the mana cost... We'll see. I'll think about it.

The thing about Lathliss, Dragon Queen is that her most important ability has to do with dragons entering the battlefield, which I unfortunately can't control with Mirror Entity. That's pretty much the only caveat to this Everything Tribal build; I can only use static abilities that affect creatures that are already on the battlefield (at least, that's the way I think it works?).

Again, thanks for the suggestions! Since there are so many tribal cards out there, I'm 100% sure I'm missing something, so comments like this help out a lot.

multimedia on EDH Ur Dragon Tribal

4 months ago

Hey, good start.

Sol Ring, Command Tower and Arcane Signet are three staples in Commander that are within the budget here. Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Utvara Hellkite and Lathliss, Dragon Queen are Dragon upgrades. Dragon Tempest has powerful effects with Dragons. Elemental Bond is good repeatable draw with Dragons.

Ketria Triome and Raugrin Triome are the other two Triomes and Ketria is good in combination with Indatha Triome with Skyshroud Claim which can give you all five colors from two Triomes. Nature's Lore is another land ramp spell that can search for a Forest Triome or Forest Shock land. Crop Rotation is a land tutor for any land and puts the land onto the battlefield. Haven of the Spirit Dragon is another Rainbow land for Dragons.

Cards to consider cutting:

Vlasiax on

4 months ago

There's also a new Dragon that for me at least seems to be an auto include: Terror of the Peaks. It's 5/4 Flying Warstorm Surge with minimum protection for only . I think it might work very well alongside Dragon Tempest/Scourge of Valkas or even with Lathliss, Dragon Queen on it's own.
What do you think about it and what would you cut for it if you'd consider the addition of this card to your 99??

Vlasiax on

4 months ago

Hello, how are you man?
I've recently seen an amazing Dragon and I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.
Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge - basically for 5/4 Flyer (triggers Temur Ascendancy) that can block and it's drawback with Smothering Tithe or artifact ramp on the field won't be a problem. My thought process also is - when it comes early it probably will bait out removal and later it can provide Dragon body to trigger cards like Lathliss, Dragon Queen.

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